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I guess you have to take the bad with the good. Rossi did a lot for sport and continues to contribute with his rider's academy and team. He isn't perfect and neither is Marquez. I imagine if Marquez doesn't do well this year, he wont be around much longer in any capacity.
He will be there at least another year I expect.
Sure Rossi was a good rider, no doubt.
I didn't like his politcal machinations against other riders however and the actions of his fans.
Yeah we have no doubt seen the best of Marquez but fk it was good. Best I've seen. Nobody has ever been able to do what he could with the front end of a motorcycle. I admired his strength of character too.
Hopefully there is more to come still. Great to watch! 😎
 
I remember that and certainly immature, it's weird how Rossi's kick had no effect on the other bike. Very strange that the bike didn't immediately crash due to the immense power of Rossi's legs (according to some). But we're all just essentially talking about competitors who lost their cool at certain moments. The sport itself has long moved on, but we're still talking about these things.

The rate of speed is higher making a knee or kick less effective. Kick a bike on its stand and its going over kick a bike at a 100 mph and it will have no effect. The effectiveness changes by speed and the laws of inertia.
 
As I recall Uccio later proudly announced it was he who detected MM’s perfidy at PI 2015 from post race analysis.

I have always said that if Rossi had noticed something during the race it would have had more credibility, while still being wrong imo. MM was out of the title race because he had crashed out early in races at least 5 times, and he certainly was under no obligation to keep doing so. If he raced harder later in the race when the bike came to him how is that illegitimate ?, particularly since he eventually greeted the chequered flag first.

Motegi 2010. Jorge who was faster at that stage in the race had caught up with Rossi and could have clinched the title by overtaking Rossi to finish 3rd. Rossi did the patented Rossi thing and immediately re-passed him every time he overtook, very similar to MM at Sepang 2015 imo. Jorge eventually gave up and settled for 4th. It was not exactly the same circumstance,, basically Jorge couldn’t lose the title because the only other rider with a mathematical chance, Dani Pedrosa, got injured that weekend. I wasn’t such a Lorenzo fan back then and didn’t have much problem with Rossi contesting him given the real title situation.

To be fair to MV he isn't denying that the incident is Rossi's fault. He is saying that Marc misjudged when he thought Rossi would turn back in and resume racing which caused him. He has not absovled Rossi of his crime, which shows a good amount of impartiality when looking at the incident. All he is saying from what I can tell is that Marquez hitting Rossi and his brake lever, hitting Rossi's bike or leg is what caused him to go down. If that doesn't happen there is likely still contact but Marquez stays on his bike and tbh god knows what happens after that.

That is just untrue. Lots of people outside of his inner circle but who want to be in it believe it.

I have not seen Rossi slam into the back of another rider at the end of an FP1 session like Marquez did to Wilairot. That was also NOT racing. Marc didn't deliberately do it, but it was a result of his recklessness and he should've been disqualified from the championship for it.

I remember that and certainly immature, it's weird how Rossi's kick had no effect on the other bike. Very strange that the bike didn't immediately crash due to the immense power of Rossi's legs (according to some). But we're all just essentially talking about competitors who lost their cool at certain moments. The sport itself has long moved on, but we're still talking about these things.
I think the location of the contact (I wont say kick) is important. Contact was made on Marquez' handlebar while he was leaning over and folded the front wheel. That absolutely requires less force than to 'kick' a bike over from the fairing for example.

Reading your posts from overnight, I agree that the contact was at least in part due to Marc leaning in, anticipating Rossi to lean in and take the corner at that point (he had to eventually). We also seem to agree that Rossi was primarily in the wrong for pushing Marquez out to that situation in the first place.
You were expecting Marc to admit he was reckless? Do you have any statements from Wilairot? There is no excuse, none of the other riders (same age as him) were slamming into each other at the end of the session. Marc stands alone.
The difference, is Marquez didn't deliberately go out and hit Wilairot. Rossi deliberately put Marc in a situation where he crashed.
I guess you have to take the bad with the good. Rossi did a lot for sport and continues to contribute with his rider's academy and team. He isn't perfect and neither is Marquez. I imagine if Marquez doesn't do well this year, he wont be around much longer in any capacity.
I agree regarding Marquez. Or he may decide 'If I cannot win, I may as well not win while getting paid big bucks by Honda'
The rate of speed is higher making a knee or kick less effective. Kick a bike on its stand and its going over kick a bike at a 100 mph and it will have no effect. The effectiveness changes by speed and the laws of inertia.
And where you kick it.
 
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You guys are pretty damn smart and I enjoy reading these threads, but am gobsmacked at your capacity to waste so much time on a mouth breathing, Fox News Faithful, Flat Earth, South Will Rise Again, QAnon imbecile who is incapable of perceiving reality. The longer you waste your time vainly believing he will ever admit to being wrong, the more he scores on you. Guys like Vudu are big on conspiracy (like forum members create to rob Rossi of his rightful place in history) because conspiracy is what dumb people engage in to make them feel smart.

FFS, stop feeding the troll.
 
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How ironic that Little Walter makes an appearance to call someone a troll. Go back to watching Breaking Bad for more tips on how to improve the quality of your meth.
 
I 2nd that. Vudu doesn't come off as a troll to me. Although most of us don't agree with him, his opinion is logical and not washed in yellow. You are holding your own man. You are in a gang beat down but you are still throwing punches. Respect!
 
I 2nd that. Vudu doesn't come off as a troll to me. Although most of us don't agree with him, his opinion is logical and not washed in yellow. You are holding your own man. You are in a gang beat down but you are still throwing punches. Respect!
If his opinion is logical, ergo, your opinion is not. To say that someone you disagree with is equally correct, is illogical. You can't have it both ways.
 
If his opinion is logical, ergo, your opinion is not. To say that someone you disagree with is equally correct, is illogical. You can't have it both ways.

logical
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ADJECTIVE

capable of reasoning or of using reason in an orderly cogent fashion


I wouldn't expect someone as illogical as you to understand the definition of logic. A lot of the Valiban use illogical thinking to form their opinion of Sepang. Vudu uses logic to form an opinion different from mine.
 
You are confusing sophistry for logic. Logic is based on factual precepts. Vudu's arguments are based on wishful thinking.
 
We are not talking if the earth is round or flat. We are talking about two people and a race incident. All of us are just theorizing our opinions. Most of us on this website doing so using our logic.
So then what you're saying is that you do not have a high degree of certainty that your belief about the incident (based on what everybody saw with their own eyes) is valid. Ok.
 
So then what you're saying is that you do not have a high degree of certainty that your belief about the incident (based on what everybody saw with their own eyes) is valid. Ok.
I'm sorry I cannot continue this conversation until you have a better understanding of the english language. Good day little willy.
 
smooth
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verb
smoothe (verb)
  1. give (something) a flat, regular surface or appearance:
    "she smoothed out the newspaper" · "you can use glasspaper to smooth the joint"
    • modify (a graph, curve, etc.) so as to lessen irregularities
 
I 2nd that. Vudu doesn't come off as a troll to me. Although most of us don't agree with him, his opinion is logical and not washed in yellow. You are holding your own man. You are in a gang beat down but you are still throwing punches. Respect!
Very definitely not a troll. We have had one on here recently, compare and contrast.

He is a big Rossi fan and defends his guy logically as you say and thoughtfully. I disagree with some of what he says as do many on here, but to be fair unlike most this forum is hardly pro-Rossi.

Rossi is in the very top echelon for gp riders ever and has given his fans every reason to be fans by his on track exploits. I myself mainly have issues with his off track manipulations and being the organ grinder for the Valeban, which I suspect is MM’s main issue as well.

I have always been of the view that while contact occurred a deliberate kick was fanciful. Whether or not MM could have avoided the contact at the last instant is more or less immaterial imo, which Moto Vudu has pretty much conceded since the main reason for the contact occurring was Rossi’s non racing move.

Actually having a discussion involving different viewpoints without hurling insults is how forums should be imo.
 
Very definitely not a troll. We have had one on here recently, compare and contrast.

He is a big Rossi fan and defends his guy logically as you say and thoughtfully. I disagree with some of what he says as do many on here, but to be fair unlike most this forum is hardly pro-Rossi.

Rossi is in the very top echelon for gp riders ever and has given his fans every reason to be fans by his on track exploits. I myself mainly have issues with his off track manipulations and being the organ grinder for the Valeban, which I suspect is MM’s main issue as well.

I have always been of the view that while contact occurred a deliberate kick was fanciful. Whether or not MM could have avoided the contact at the last instant is more or less immaterial imo, which Moto Vudu has pretty much conceded since the main reason for the contact occurring was Rossi’s non racing move.

Actually having a discussion involving different viewpoints without hurling insults is how forums should be imo.

I agree with everything you said michaelm
 

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