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It was the last lap of the race for Marquez because of Rossi's actions.
I do not see Marquez deliberately running Rossi to the edge of the track in a similar manner. Stuffing it up the inside on corner entry yes but slowing and pushing Rossi off the circuit? No.
Yes it should have been the last lap for both of them as VR should have been black flagged.
Marc is far from an angel and has frequently demonstrated he has no problems causing contact with another rider. Anything Rossi would deliberately do on a race track, Marc would happily do as well. Anything Rossi or Marc would deliberately do on a track, Max Verstappen would happily do 3x worse.
 
Marc is far from an angel and has frequently demonstrated he has no problems causing contact with another rider. Anything Rossi would deliberately do on a race track, Marc would happily do as well. Anything Rossi or Marc would deliberately do on a track, Max Verstappen would happily do 3x worse.
As has already been said he races hard and stuffs it up the inside of others when he can. Yes there is sometimes contact.
He doesn't compain when somebody makes a hard pass back on him even if there is contact.

What VR did there was not racing it was simply running a rider deliberately to the edge of the track way off the racing line and not even at racing speed. As stated he looked across for where Marquez was and not ahead at where he was going. It was not a passing attempt.
I have not seen Marquez do that.
He should have been black flagged.
 
Marc is far from an angel and has frequently demonstrated he has no problems causing contact with another rider. Anything Rossi would deliberately do on a race track, Marc would happily do as well. Anything Rossi or Marc would deliberately do on a track, Max Verstappen would happily do 3x worse.
MM would similarly deserve a suspension if he did something similar.

Never going to happen in the second last race of the season with the title undecided though. You would have to hit an opponent over the head with a tyre lever rather than just contact a brake lever for a suspension to happen in that circumstance.
 
As has already been said he races hard and stuffs it up the inside of others when he can. Yes there is sometimes contact.
He doesn't compain when somebody makes a hard pass back on him even if there is contact.

What VR did there was not racing it was simply running a rider deliberately to the edge of the track way off the racing line and not even at racing speed. As stated he looked across for where Marquez was and not ahead at where he was going. It was not a passing attempt.
I have not seen Marquez do that.
He should have been black flagged.
I have not seen Rossi slam into the back of another rider at the end of an FP1 session like Marquez did to Wilairot. That was also NOT racing. Marc didn't deliberately do it, but it was a result of his recklessness and he should've been disqualified from the championship for it.
 
Good work guys, 3 more pages of mental masturbation.
The discussion was specifically shifted to this clearly labelled thread so anyone reading additional posts should have known what the discussion would likely be.
 
I have not seen Rossi slam into the back of another rider at the end of an FP1 session like Marquez did to Wilairot. That was also NOT racing. Marc didn't deliberately do it, but it was a result of his recklessness and he should've been disqualified from the championship for it.
And the big difference is it was not deliberate.
Stupid yes, reckless yes. Deliberate no.
He was young and comparatively inexperienced.
Rossi was neither.
 
And the big difference is it was not deliberate.
Stupid yes, reckless yes. Deliberate no.
He was young and comparatively inexperienced.
Rossi was neither.
He was deliberately being reckless. Even a child could recognize the end of a practice session and notice riders just cruising back to the pits.

Edit: Rossi was young and inexperienced during his 125cc days. Which rider did he ram after a practice session?
 
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He was deliberately being reckless. Even a child could recognize the end of a practice session and notice riders just cruising back to the pits.

Edit: Rossi was young and inexperienced during his 125cc days. Which rider did he ram after a practice session?
The outcome is nowhere near the same level but the action is intentional and immature.
 
The outcome is nowhere near the same level but the action is intentional and immature.

I remember that and certainly immature, it's weird how Rossi's kick had no effect on the other bike. Very strange that the bike didn't immediately crash due to the immense power of Rossi's legs (according to some). But we're all just essentially talking about competitors who lost their cool at certain moments. The sport itself has long moved on, but we're still talking about these things.
 
I remember that and certainly immature, it's weird how Rossi's kick had no effect on the other bike. Very strange that the bike didn't immediately crash due to the immense power of Rossi's legs (according to some). But we're all just essentially talking about competitors who lost their cool at certain moments. The sport itself has long moved on, but we're still talking about these things.
The Willairot incident remains indefensible, although why his pit crew sent him out also remains a mystery. Jumkie rightly dubbed him Murder Marc over that incident, although of course as has been said it wasn’t a deliberate attempt to hurt Willairot. The Sepang 2015 thing certainly wasn’t an attempt to injure MM either.

It never looked to me that MM was particularly upset by the Sepang race incident in any case, just with the same issue I have, Rossi’s weaponisation of that element of his fanbase against his competitors, which was fairly obviously career long in retrospect.
 
He was deliberately being reckless. Even a child could recognize the end of a practice session and notice riders just cruising back to the pits.

Edit: Rossi was young and inexperienced during his 125cc days. Which rider did he ram after a practice session?
Crap he was deliberately being reckless;
"When the session was about to finish I went out to do a lap and check that everything was fine after the [first] crash." explained Marquez. "When the session was over and after the finish line, I was finishing the lap to go back to the garage when in the third corner - which is very fast - I saw a rider.

"I was not going too fast, but the track is very fast and in that corner, which is normally taken in fifth, I was maybe on fourth. When the other rider got out of the way I saw that Wilairot was behind him and I was not able to brake.

"I hope he is fine, because it was a hard crash and I was not seriously injured, so I wish him the best."


A far cry from the intentional cheating actions VR took.
Ridiculous to even draw the analogy imo.
Further he was 18 at the time not mid 30s.
 
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Crap he was deliberately being reckless;
"When the session was about to finish I went out to do a lap and check that everything was fine after the [first] crash." explained Marquez. "When the session was over and after the finish line, I was finishing the lap to go back to the garage when in the third corner - which is very fast - I saw a rider.

"I was not going too fast, but the track is very fast and in that corner, which is normally taken in fifth, I was maybe on fourth. When the other rider got out of the way I saw that Wilairot was behind him and I was not able to brake.

"I hope he is fine, because it was a hard crash and I was not seriously injured, so I wish him the best."


A far cry from the intentional cheating actions VR took.
Ridiculous to even draw the analogy imo.
Further he was 18 at the time not mid 30s.
You were expecting Marc to admit he was reckless? Do you have any statements from Wilairot? There is no excuse, none of the other riders (same age as him) were slamming into each other at the end of the session. Marc stands alone.
 
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You were expecting Marc to admit he was reckless? Do you have any statements from Wilairot? There is no excuse, none of the other riders (same age as him) were slamming into each other at the end of the session. Marc stands alone.
You are apparently using the crash of an 18 year old, that whilst reckless was not deliberate, to reduce the blame of a rider who deliberately ran another rider off the track.
Deliberate dirty riding.

It was stupid and it was reckless it however was not deliberate cheating.
Moreover it was not performed in a race with the intent of removing a rival.

Dirty riding like that exhibited by Rossi in that race, absolutely deserved a black flag.
 
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You are apparently using the crash of an 18 year old, that whilst reckless was not deliberate, to reduce the blame of a rider who deliberately ran another rider off the track.
Deliberate dirty riding.

It was stupid and it was reckless it however was not deliberate cheating.
Moreover it was not performed in a race with the intent of removing a rival.

Dirty riding like that exhibited by Rossi in that race, absolutely deserved a black flag.
Marc received a light punishment for almost killing Wilairot, Rossi received a light punishment his non-racing manuever on Marc in Sepang. Both may have deserved more of a punishment, but nothing said now is going to change it. You're attempting to paint Marc as an innocent competitor who's always clean just to make Rossi's actions that caused him to crash in Sepang look worse. It's not going to work, we've all watched Marc race and are well aware he isn't shy about causing contact with other riders. Condemn Rossi all you want, but Marc is not a clean rider by any stretch of the imagination. I guess you could say Rossi committed a dirty act on another dirty rider.
 
Marc received a light punishment for almost killing Wilairot, Rossi received a light punishment his non-racing manuever on Marc in Sepang. Both may have deserved more of a punishment, but nothing said now is going to change it. You're attempting to paint Marc as an innocent racer who's always clean just to make Rossi's actions that caused him to crash in Sepang look worse. It's not going to work, we've all watched Marc race and are well aware he isn't shy about causing contact with other riders. Condemn Rossi all you want, but Marc is not a clean racer by any stretch of the imagination.
Nope I am saying Marquez did not deliberately cheat. Rossi did.
I did not introduce the Wilairot incident and attempt to use it deflect blame from Rossi. You did.
 
I remember that and certainly immature, it's weird how Rossi's kick had no effect on the other bike. Very strange that the bike didn't immediately crash due to the immense power of Rossi's legs (according to some). But we're all just essentially talking about competitors who lost their cool at certain moments. The sport itself has long moved on, but we're still talking about these things.
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Nope I am saying Marquez did not deliberately cheat. Rossi did.
I did not introduce the Wilairot incident and attempt to use it deflect blame from Rossi. You did.
I'd argue Marquez' incident with Wilairot was more dangerous and likely to result in a career or life ending situation than Rossi blocking Marc at Sepang. I agree Marquez wasn't trying to necessarily trying to cheat, but he was being deliberately being reckless and decided that trying to get one more fast lap in was more important than his safety or the safety of the other riders on the circuit.
 
I'd argue Marquez' incident with Wilairot was more dangerous and likely to result in a career or life ending situation than Rossi blocking Marc at Sepang. I agree Marquez wasn't trying to necessarily trying to cheat, but he was being deliberately being reckless and decided that trying to get one more fast lap in was more important than his safety or the safety of the other riders on the circuit.
Sure he was 18 and yes it was stupid, dangerous and reckless. Thankfully he appears to have learnt from it.
However it wasn't deliberate dirty riding. That is my beef with the Sepang incident.
Thankfully Rossi no longer races. Don't miss the negative sentiment he brought to the paddock and the actions of his fans, you could argue he orchestrated.
I loved watching it fail against Marquez. He drew energy from it, it appeared to me. Very satisfying to watch
 
Sure he was 18 and yes it was stupid, dangerous and reckless. Thankfully he appears to have learnt from it.
However it wasn't deliberate dirty riding. That is my beef with the Sepang incident.
Thankfully Rossi no longer races. Don't miss the negative sentiment he brought to the paddock and the actions of his fans, you could argue he orchestrated.
I loved watching it fail against Marquez. He drew energy from it, it appeared to me. Very satisfying to watch
I guess you have to take the bad with the good. Rossi did a lot for sport and continues to contribute with his rider's academy and team. He isn't perfect and neither is Marquez. I imagine if Marquez doesn't do well this year, he wont be around much longer in any capacity.
 
Marc received a light punishment for almost killing Wilairot, Rossi received a light punishment his non-racing manuever on Marc in Sepang. Both may have deserved more of a punishment, but nothing said now is going to change it. You're attempting to paint Marc as an innocent competitor who's always clean just to make Rossi's actions that caused him to crash in Sepang look worse. It's not going to work, we've all watched Marc race and are well aware he isn't shy about causing contact with other riders. Condemn Rossi all you want, but Marc is not a clean rider by any stretch of the imagination. I guess you could say Rossi committed a dirty act on another dirty rider.
There is certainly no doubt MM was going too fast in the Willairot incident, otherwise there would not have been a Willairot incident.

Valentino Rossi is possibly the safest gp bike rider that has ever ridden, he caused very few if any significant injuries to other riders from either riding errors or deliberate perfidy, over a very long career, although relying on the skill and discretion of other riders on a few occasions I can recall.

What rankled was the likes of Gibernau and Stoner being told “that’s racing” and/or being pilloried by Rossi fans while Valentino wasn’t notably tolerant of any reciprocal hard racing.
 
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