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MM is as tough as nails, I'd put him up there with Doohan in terms of grit and taking anything thrown at him.
As I said before, insults are the last refuge of a fool with no tangible argument.
MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)
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A couple of things about this thread:
1/ The opening post is way cool. I don’t remember it from that time , which is around the time I joined this forum.
2/ I initially was leery of a thread about this period in 2015, but I can see the fog has never quite cleared, so let’s air it all out.
To be clear, I was at Mugello in 2006 watching Rossi come over the hill in the lead on the restart in the wet on slicks. I shouted and applauded as loudly as possible with everybody else. At the time I thought he was among the greats of the sport, perhaps the greatest up to that point. I’ve been a fan of international motorcycle road racing since the ‘70’s.
By the end of that year, he had considerably reduced stature in my book. In years subsequent to that one he has reduced his stature even more (this thread and race for example.) Rossi is a nobody to this fan. I don’t even read anything he says any more. He had every chance to either blow or save his reputation through the years since and he has blown it every time. And continues to do so to this day. He will never be a great in my eyes.
1/ The opening post is way cool. I don’t remember it from that time , which is around the time I joined this forum.
2/ I initially was leery of a thread about this period in 2015, but I can see the fog has never quite cleared, so let’s air it all out.
To be clear, I was at Mugello in 2006 watching Rossi come over the hill in the lead on the restart in the wet on slicks. I shouted and applauded as loudly as possible with everybody else. At the time I thought he was among the greats of the sport, perhaps the greatest up to that point. I’ve been a fan of international motorcycle road racing since the ‘70’s.
By the end of that year, he had considerably reduced stature in my book. In years subsequent to that one he has reduced his stature even more (this thread and race for example.) Rossi is a nobody to this fan. I don’t even read anything he says any more. He had every chance to either blow or save his reputation through the years since and he has blown it every time. And continues to do so to this day. He will never be a great in my eyes.
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Budoist was amazing! He made race threads like this often. I use to look forward to him starting the race thread.
I completely agree that this was the moment that opened my eyes to who Rossi really was. Word for word my opinion is the same as yours. If you notice I was pro Rossi at the begging of this thread. I had my doubts about Marc going into his motogp career because of things that happened in moto2 and was a big Rossi fan. Man did that change.
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I dove into the rabbit hole and started reading this thread from the beginning. Thankfully I've climbed out. Have to say I had more than one good laugh from it.
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Going through the PI thread is hilarious. Some saying Marquez tried to signal to Rossi so they could catch Lorenzo, that Marquez could have gone faster but wanted to tow Rossi up to Lorenzo, at least Rossi didn't blame anyone but himself, the people who aren't fans of Rossi disagreeing and saying Marquez has no reason to help Rossi he just wants to win races. Interesting they were all fine with the idea of Marquez helping Rossi to win the title though.
In those years, if I remember correctly the Bridgestone was just a better, grippier and more durable version of the michelin so in my dumb opinion, what worked for the Mich should work just as well on the Bridge but better?
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Lex was more up on all this at the time but basically in all the European rounds which were a majority of the rounds Michelin evaluated the conditions in practice and produced SNS tites overnight for their top runners if not every Michelin shod rider. Bridgestone could only do this for the odd Asian round, so in general Michelin had the advantage, but Bridgestone had to develop an all round tyre. When SNS tyres were outlawed which was iirc for the 2007 season, as I recall with Valentino’s approval even, the tables were turned, or Valentino thought so anyway since he demanded Bridgestones for 2008, the last year before the control tire. Lex who is not uncommonly very astute has always maintained they dumbed down the Bridgestones which had been developed to particularly suit the Ducati in that last year of 2008, although I recall no complaint from Casey Stoner, not noted for being backward in complaining. The Michelin qualifying tites continued to be superior, I don’t recall Bridgestone ever really developing such tires during the tire war years.
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2010 End of season Rossi was back in action, out of contention for the title and in one race, not sure which one he was slightly slower than lorenzo & did everything he can to beat him at the end by overtaking with risk and then closing Lorenzo in so he couldn't put the bike striaght up again and accelerate to pass him.
You all love to forget when it is convenient huh?
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I'll have to check that thread out when I have time.
Of course they do. It was Motegi 2010. Rossi was mathematically out of contention for the title and Lorenzo, who was battling Pedrosa (who was in the lead IIRC), tried to pass Rossi, and Rossi almost crashed him off the track more than once.
Yep that was it. Even after googling it I couldn't find what Race it was.
What I do remember is what his fans said: EAT .... JORGE LEARN FROM THE DOCTOR WITH THIS MASTERCLASS.
Super classy bunch all around & with double standards to boot. FFS I even left this place for like 2 years until stoner went to honda because they were doing my head in with provocations & general cuntyness. (american as i read not too long ago
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You're not by any chance related to the insurance company agent that tried to convince everybody that the mean old iceberg jumped out in front of the Titanic just to spoil everyone's vacation - are you?
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How do those who believe Rossi did no wrong reconcile the fact he indeed rolled off the throttle and looked for Marc? Why on earth would he roll off?
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People also forget that, regardless of whether Rossi kicked Marquez, or Marquez drove into his leg, that he had forced a rider to the edge of the track, approx 14 metres away from the Apex (racing line in green):
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I said it before years ago, suggesting Rossi had the ability to execute a no-look kick to Marc's Honda causing a crash is giving him super-human powers. Rossi blocked Marc from turning into the corner, Marc tried to judge when Rossi was finally done blocking and ended up running into Rossi's bike causing his brake lever to get pinched. I'm not saying Rossi wasn't wrong for blocking Marc, just that Rossi doesn't have the ability to kick a bike (especially while accelerating his own bike) causing a crash like that.
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Except it wasn't a no-look kick. Rossi twice looked over his shoulder to gauge Marc's path. Perhaps he was not looking at the instant his knee kicked him but Magic Johnson made a Hall of Fame career passing the ball "no-look" style. Rossi knew exactly where he was and he slowed up so the contact could happen, not to mention running 10 meters off line to get there. I would love to see the telemetry from that sequence.
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So now Rossi has Magic Johnson "no-look" passing talent as well? People really love to give Rossi extra talents just to claim he was able to kick Marc off his motorcycle.
If you just look at the video, it's clear Rossi's foot stayed on the peg until Marc turned into Rossi. Look at how Marc's front tire instantly tucked on contact! Marc's brake lever hit Rossi's leg or bike but the impact also pulled Rossi's leg off the peg. Rossi has talent riding motorcycle (even decent in cars) but I don't give him any credit at being a Taekwondo master. If he wanted to even try to kick Marc's bike he would've needed already have his foot off the peg and ready to kick before Marc was that close to him.
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He got a fairly light penalty for slowing down and blocking Marc, I don't recall race direction saying anything about a kick because there wasn't one.
I see the issue is some people think that if they accept that Marc misjudged when Rossi was done blocking him and ran into Rossi's bike that means Marc was at fault for the crash. I disagree that Marc would've been at fault due to the deliberate way Rossi was blocking him in a non-racing maneuver. It's okay to admit Marc hit Rossi's bike, that's more realistic than trying to claim Rossi has supernatural abilities at everything he tries to do.
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Again you are missing the point. It really is irrelevant if Rossi kicked or Marquez touched his leg with his brake lever. Rossi intently pushed another competing rider to the edge of the circuit and as a result, they made contact. That is irresponsible riding at best, and dangerous at worst.
Now, if you do want to debate the 'kick', it's interesting to watch that video you posted at 0.25 speed. It looks initially as though Marquez' helmet touches Rossi's leg, at which point you can clearly see Rossi's leg open outward are upward.
Whether it was intentional to knock Marquez off is irrelevant. That action, combined with forcing him to the edge of the track, caused another rider to crash.
Riders get penalised for accidents all the time. If the criteria was "did they mean to do it?' then we would get a lot less penalties. It's the difference between murder and manslaugher. If I run you over in my car by accident, I'm still going to prison for Manslaughter. I just won't go to prison for as long as Murder if it were intentional.
Now, if you do want to debate the 'kick', it's interesting to watch that video you posted at 0.25 speed. It looks initially as though Marquez' helmet touches Rossi's leg, at which point you can clearly see Rossi's leg open outward are upward.
Whether it was intentional to knock Marquez off is irrelevant. That action, combined with forcing him to the edge of the track, caused another rider to crash.
Riders get penalised for accidents all the time. If the criteria was "did they mean to do it?' then we would get a lot less penalties. It's the difference between murder and manslaugher. If I run you over in my car by accident, I'm still going to prison for Manslaughter. I just won't go to prison for as long as Murder if it were intentional.
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Let's be clear. His penalty wasn't for slowing down Marc. It was for causing him to crash.
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