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I get the impression that some of you had a serious argument back in the day and as a result some left the forum
Understatment LOL. Minus all the irrelevant details, from a distant perspective, it was a months-long protracted .....-slapping fest over who was taking Jumkie to the senior prom. From all accounts Jumkie and Roger are still going steady.
 
I am familiar with the official website l subscribed for a few years way back when. I too liked the no spoiler function. But I'm not paying 200 euros. I'll find a way, I'm working on it.
Booing. I hate that, l took the kids to Donington Park in 2008, Casey won Rossi then Danny. He got booed, not cool, it's not wrestling is it.
On some podium one year in Asia somewhere the fans were cheering Rossi, JL was there booing trying to get the fans to boo him. Not cool.
Mental health is not something that you can turn off with a switch. It affects folks in many different ways. I'm not questioning the strength shown with the collar bone.
The season will soon be starting, most races are geared for a European audience certainly the times anyway. I can see most of you are overseas somewhere we let you have. That's called a light hearted piss take in this country. May the best man win! Try to be happy 😁😊
Cod psychology now ?. When did the guy who won 3 world titles against some of the greatest riders of all time display mental frailty and even more so signs of mental illness ?.

3 world titles is of course less than 7 or 6 but still places him in fairly select company. All other riders who have won 3 titles for Yamaha are all time greats, and even Rossi has only 1 more Yamaha title and won 2 titles against Jorge’s 3 in the period during which their careers overlapped.
 
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I'm a brit living in the US, I'm well aware of British satire and the term "taking the piss" I'm not sure what you are referring to as light hearted, but the Valebans abuse of Stoner, Lorenzo and Marquez was and is anything but light hearted.

I'd like to see the podium where JL was trying to get fans to boo. I don't recall that except for when he thumbed down Rossis podium in Sepang, which was understandable and even he apologized for his behavior later. Something I've never seen Rossi do.

Respectfully. I hope you stay, because I enjoy having more members to chat racing here with, but you cannot enter by saying JL and MM are .......s and I love Rossi then not expecting to be challenged on that opinion by saying "anyway let's move on".
How does he know we are all not taking the urine in reply ?.

I personally have always just enjoyed taking down the arguments of the Valeban and remain happy to accept the opportunity if presented whether from a real or fake member of that cult. It is amusing that even one tiny corner of the internet not being all the way with Valentino rankles them.
 
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How does he know we are all not taking the urine in reply ?.

I personally have always just enjoyed taking down the arguments of the Valeban and remain happy to take the opportunity to do so if presented whether from a real or fake member of that cult.
You do so very well. I have enjoyed reading it.

I wasn't on here when this thread started but some good information presented in the last few days by several, pointing out the hypocrisy and flawed nature of the Valeban position.

Anyway from my perspective MotoGP is better without him there because of the negative behaviour displayed by him toward his rivals. I wish his influence was gone altogether but I am happy to see it continue its decline.
 
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To me the controversy of Sepang 2015 has always been a bit strange. Two guys were trading paint, and one may or may not have used his leg to move another out of the way. It’s not like one rider grabbed another’s brake lever on the front straight.

The interesting aspect is that when Rossi put his hand over his forehead and fainted, no kne was there to catch him and carry him to the chaise lounge. That was a tectonic shift in the power struggle within GP. The kick heard round the world caused an instant coup. Rossi was forcibly retired at that moment. The other seasons were just part of his severance package.
Sure, the suggestion that Valentino deliberately kicked MM’s brake lever to take him down was always fanciful imo. He did run MM off the track though imo, something only he and ironically MM had been allowed to do with impunity as Kropotkin’s later piece discussing the levity which both riders had been allowed over their careers pointed out.

The thing for me was that Valentino had raced opponents similarly himself, including Jorge Lorenzo at Motegi 2010, and said “that’s racing” to anyone who complained, but didn’t have quite the same attitude when the tables were turned. However anyone might regard MM he is no hypocrite, I have never heard him complain about hard racing or seeking tows from him when he was the fastest guy.
 
Sure, the suggestion that Valentino deliberately kicked MM’s brake lever to take him down was always fanciful imo. He did run MM off the track though imo, something only he and ironically MM had been allowed to do with impunity as Kropotkin’s later piece discussing the levity which both riders had been allowed over their careers pointed out.

The thing for me was that Valentino had raced opponents similarly himself, including Jorge Lorenzo at Motegi 2010, and said “that’s racing” to anyone who complained, but didn’t have quite the same attitude when the tables were turned. However anyone might regard MM he is no hypocrite, I have never heard him complain about hard racing or seeking tows from him when he was the fastest guy.
MM seems to relish guys racing hard against him. I think he enjoys the competition more than Rossi ever did. He almost wants guys to stuff it up the inside so he can do the same in return. I can think of a few guys who have made hard passes on MM which resulted in some touching, for him to make a similar harsh move at the next available opportunity, jumping off the bike with tyre marks all over his leathers saying how much fun it was.
 
Midday from the Shire, sun's out and spring is in the air . Fingers crossed.
How are you haters all doing today?
Let me try and clear a couple of things up. I hate the booing when someone wins and l hate the cheering when someone comes off. I've seen and heard that from several different sets of fans. I don't consider them true sports fans, its abhorrent.
Cod? Call of Duty? Maybe you should take a break, it's 20 years old. I know you worship the man (is he your god?) Expand your mind and try letting other thoughts in there. Do a bit a research.
Now the Brit in the States. How disappointing, for a minute there l thought you were reasonable. You (and others) bleat on about proof, facts, evidence. Then you go and say l called MM & JL .......s. You also say l called VR God.This is plainly lies, so you are happy to lie? You playing to the crowd? Scared they'll discover you are an illegal?
As an aside, the only person I worship is my wife, who feeds me, ..... me and takes me out in the country.
 
Midday from the Shire, sun's out and spring is in the air . Fingers crossed.
How are you haters all doing today?
Let me try and clear a couple of things up. I hate the booing when someone wins and l hate the cheering when someone comes off. I've seen and heard that from several different sets of fans. I don't consider them true sports fans, its abhorrent.
Cod? Call of Duty? Maybe you should take a break, it's 20 years old. I know you worship the man (is he your god?) Expand your mind and try letting other thoughts in there. Do a bit a research.
Now the Brit in the States. How disappointing, for a minute there l thought you were reasonable. You (and others) bleat on about proof, facts, evidence. Then you go and say l called MM & JL .......s. You also say l called VR God.This is plainly lies, so you are happy to lie? You playing to the crowd? Scared they'll discover you are an illegal?
As an aside, the only person I worship is my wife, who feeds me, ..... me and takes me out in the country.

Maybe you should take your own advise and do some research on what cod psychology is. Its funny that you ask us to do research when we are the ones pointing out results, quotes, and observations. The only thing you have done is make up an imaginary conversation. You call us haters but this all started because in your very first post you said you don't like MM and "the other spaniard." You have more than proven that you don't have the ability to debate this incident and you are just making up your own delusions and fairytales. I understand you will never admit defeat but you took a big L here.
 
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Midday from the Shire, sun's out and spring is in the air . Fingers crossed.
How are you haters all doing today?
Let me try and clear a couple of things up. I hate the booing when someone wins and l hate the cheering when someone comes off. I've seen and heard that from several different sets of fans. I don't consider them true sports fans, its abhorrent.
Cod? Call of Duty? Maybe you should take a break, it's 20 years old. I know you worship the man (is he your god?) Expand your mind and try letting other thoughts in there. Do a bit a research.
Now the Brit in the States. How disappointing, for a minute there l thought you were reasonable. You (and others) bleat on about proof, facts, evidence. Then you go and say l called MM & JL .......s. You also say l called VR God.This is plainly lies, so you are happy to lie? You playing to the crowd? Scared they'll discover you are an illegal?
As an aside, the only person I worship is my wife, who feeds me, ..... me and takes me out in the country.
As soon as you resort to ad hominem attacks - you lose all credibility. Insofar as reasonableness is concerned, this is the most sane and diverse bunch of race fans you will ever encounter. If you think otherwise, you're welcome to post your opinions on a forum where members all share the same cognitive dissonance. At this point, the only reason you will continue to post here is to annoy people.
 
Midday from the Shire, sun's out and spring is in the air . Fingers crossed.
Enjoy it, it's a rarity in the UK I know. How far are you from Cadwell btw? I had many happy days racing there and still miss the mountain.
How are you haters all doing today?
Let me try and clear a couple of things up. I hate the booing when someone wins and l hate the cheering when someone comes off. I've seen and heard that from several different sets of fans. I don't consider them true sports fans, its abhorrent.
Cod? Call of Duty? Maybe you should take a break, it's 20 years old. I know you worship the man (is he your god?) Expand your mind and try letting other thoughts in there. Do a bit a research.
Now the Brit in the States. How disappointing, for a minute there l thought you were reasonable. You (and others) bleat on about proof, facts, evidence. Then you go and say l called MM & JL .......s. You also say l called VR God.This is plainly lies, so you are happy to lie? You playing to the crowd? Scared they'll discover you are an illegal?
As an aside, the only person I worship is my wife, who feeds me, ..... me and takes me out in the country.
'Insults are the last resort of an insecure man with a crumbling argument"

You joined this site and made it clear from the start that you bought in to the 2015 conspiracy ........ that Rossi pedalled to his fanbase, and your only evidence was a Spansih conversation with no source. We asked you to provide a source and you failed to do so, and resorted to insults. As Mdub said, the irony of you saying 'do your research' when you repeatedly show you are either incapable or unwilling to do so yourself, is staggering.

Plenty of people have come and gone from this forum, and you sound increasingly more like the last poster who was banned on here, who went by the name of Albert Tatlock, who similarly tried to insult myself and others on here with questions in the same vein as yours.

Enjoy your disappointment for I am glad to be an entire continent away from you, and it shows your ignorance to think that because someone emigrated to another country that they are a lesser person (when the complete opposite is true). I do very very very well out here thank you, far better than I ever would back in rainly old 'shire'.

Rest assured, once racing begins next week, this thread will again be consigned to history and you will wittle away.
 
Midday from the Shire, sun's out and spring is in the air . Fingers crossed.
How are you haters all doing today?
Let me try and clear a couple of things up. I hate the booing when someone wins and l hate the cheering when someone comes off. I've seen and heard that from several different sets of fans. I don't consider them true sports fans, its abhorrent.
Cod? Call of Duty? Maybe you should take a break, it's 20 years old. I know you worship the man (is he your god?) Expand your mind and try letting other thoughts in there. Do a bit a research.
Now the Brit in the States. How disappointing, for a minute there l thought you were reasonable. You (and others) bleat on about proof, facts, evidence. Then you go and say l called MM & JL .......s. You also say l called VR God.This is plainly lies, so you are happy to lie? You playing to the crowd? Scared they'll discover you are an illegal?
As an aside, the only person I worship is my wife, who feeds me, ..... me and takes me out in the country.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, here you show us your true colors.

We’ve seen this all before. Amazing how similar it is every time.
 
Albert Tatlock was a fictitious character in Corrie, a right miserable old sod, haven't heard that name for years.
Cadwell Park was my local track l know it very well. First went there around 1980/81 to watch Barry Sheene my childhood hero on the Akai Yamaha. We went on our peds from Washy, camped the night and sang songs round the fire. In those days everyone applauded after the races.
We used to enjoy the Transatlantic Races at Donny and Mallory proper superbikes then.
Went to Silverstone in 82 when he shattered his legs too, sad that was.
When did you race at Cadwell l may have been there?

Now you lot clearly hate VR so l don't see calling you haters personal.An awful lot of the comments have been extremely personal towards him. Hateful.
On the cod business, never heard of it. JL has talked about his depression on YT. I'll find some stuff for you.
Sorry mate but if you say l have said things l clearly didn't l will call you out re .......s and god.
 
When did you race at Cadwell l may have been there?

2006-2011
Now you lot clearly hate VR so l don't see calling you haters personal.An awful lot of the comments have been extremely personal towards him. Hateful.
Quite the opposite, we have merely called out the double standards and just because you take offense to that, doesn't label us haters. A lot of us here admire his talents and acheivements, but at the same time feel that others like JL and certainly MM are equal to, if not above him in terms of talent.
On the cod business, never heard of it. JL has talked about his depression on YT. I'll find some stuff for you.
Sorry mate but if you say l have said things l clearly didn't l will call you out re .......s and god.
Please do because I'd find that interesting but we are also still waiting on a source for the conversation in Spanish you posted.
 
Albert Tatlock was a fictitious character in Corrie, a right miserable old sod, haven't heard that name for years.
Cadwell Park was my local track l know it very well. First went there around 1980/81 to watch Barry Sheene my childhood hero on the Akai Yamaha. We went on our peds from Washy, camped the night and sang songs round the fire. In those days everyone applauded after the races.
We used to enjoy the Transatlantic Races at Donny and Mallory proper superbikes then.
Went to Silverstone in 82 when he shattered his legs too, sad that was.
When did you race at Cadwell l may have been there?

Now you lot clearly hate VR so l don't see calling you haters personal.An awful lot of the comments have been extremely personal towards him. Hateful.
On the cod business, never heard of it. JL has talked about his depression on YT. I'll find some stuff for you.
Sorry mate but if you say l have said things l clearly didn't l will call you out re .......s and god.

Before you can ever call any of us out you will have to start providing proof and facts. Otherwise save your routine for someplace else, because we will continue to call you on your ......... Do you know why JLo was depressed? I'll give you a hint. It had to do with his teammates vicious undeserving attacks on him, that his fans such as yourself jumped on. You said yourself you don't like him. His teammate started this day 1 when he put up a wall between their pit garages. Rossi once he wasn't good enough to beat his opponents attempted to make their lives miserable. He succeeded with Stoner, JLo, and Ianonne but failed to even put a dent into Marc's mentality. Rossi made motogp a toxic place.
 
That actually makes sense since his idol consumes his fans soul and makes them mad. The valeban still obsessed with their precious.
 
Rossi has cemented himself as the greatest GP rider in history. No other rider lives rent-free in the heads of people who follow the sport. It's 2024, Rossi is long retired... yet there isn't anything or anyone more entertaining to talk about than Mr. Valentino Rossi. Three years after Marquez retires, he wont dominate the threads of racing forums. He'll be mentioned from time to time, but without Rossi as an antagonist nobody really cares to debate about MM for years after he's gone.

To be fair here MV, I can guarantee you that Rossi does not live rent free in my head, but unfortunately and much like bloody Harry and Meagan or currently in Australia damn Taylor Swift, we are forced to have them thrust into our heads by media as these people sell copy and advertising space.

Without Rossi, some of the sycophantic media struggles and they will find a way to bring him into conversations about the bloody moon landing if they can/could.

One issue that will also impact is that he remains involved in the sport via his team and academy and is constantly on display in the paddock in some form. FFS he just raced a 12 hour race at Bathurst and was a highly discussed car driver, all based purely on 'brand Rossi' of years past.

As for living in people's heads I suspect a few riders do - as an example, watch the vitriol for anything Stoner says and how rapidly he is dismissed for responding to a question (Several english language based forums), with the dismissal based on people's perception. May not get the same level of media as one 'brand Rossi' but Stoner, Marquez, Lorenzo etc are all living in heads.

The one's that are seemingly not living in heads are the likes of Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz, the old hard-heads who are not being referenced.

Every time Rossi switched teams it was the #1 message board topic and continued to be the dominate discussions throughout the season. He does in fact live rent-free in the minds that follow the sport. There have been numerous GP riders that might as well never bothered to race because they're long forgotten, never to be mentioned again unless there was a particular time that Rossi got the best of them. Rossi will always be the center of attention, fans/haters just can't let him go. Motorcycle racing cannot be discussed without Rossi being at the center of the discussion.

It was and can but is difficult as he remains involved via teams and academy where many others just shrink away to relative obscurity through choice and not being further involved/engaged in the sport.

Rossi will remain in the spotlight as he sells copy and makes money for people mentioning him in articles etc due to the brand he built. He is a business, much like Apple and/or others who have developed a seeming cult of obsession with a product by use of excessive media to create a perception of need for that product which is not to disparage as the business brand he has built is a model for others to attempt.

I am no fan of rossi, and for me, he did some things in the sport that are not worth celebrating but he also built a brand or personality that transcended across many areas and due to his brand he introduced many more people to MotoGP by giving something interesting to get their attention. My own personal opinion is that was both a good and bad thing but we also need to recognise that as soon as he was no longer useful to Carmelo, he was dumped.

The sport has, is and always will move on but it does not forget. This does not make the past 'rent free living in someones head' but rather is part of history



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