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xx CURVE xx said:
Laverty sums it up well: "Marc broke the unwritten rule, always RESPECT those fighting for a Championship when you're not. Vale got enraged and hung him out to dry"
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Good call but also, how about RESPECT ALL RIDERS on the track it's a two way street.
What rule can't be broken, an unwritten one. BOOM:p
and a rider battling for the champion deserves no more respect than any other rider on the track.:)
 
if anyone wants to listen or download the Motopod Team discussion on #Rossigate

Episode 473: The Incident
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2015 - 14:38 in MotoGP motogpod motorcycle prix racing SBK Superbike WSBK


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The race that got everyone talking, Sepang. 'Rossi' was the number one trending topic on Twitter for hours, news sites struggled to hold the surge of traffic in the wake of the #SepangClash. Now Martin and Jules take on the infamous, perhaps even career defining incident. Could the season get more dramatic? Of course there was also Moto2 and Moto3 action over the weekend, the latter being especially interesting with Danny Kent once more letting the title slip to the next race. It's all down to the wire in both classes so get ready for a big one in Valencia.

The only thing longer than MotoPod, Motomatter's excellent article on The Incident: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_...

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Great to have you back Pidge.

For all the newbies. You don't know how honoured you are to be in the presence of the great Pidge (you included Sparrah)...he is the GODFATHER when it comes to keeping in touch with the latest news on MotoGP including links to things like above.
 
WVMotoGP99 said:
Not tiring to continue the rants or fights, but another great article...

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/oped/sepang-clash-op-ed/
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Fantastic write up by Kropo. Well done.

It follows my ah-ha moment and move in personal perspective over this whole debacle. Speaking for myself, I definitely said some stupid stuff. I'm glad to see Krops use his considerable platform to reign in a bit of sanity.

I'm over it, just want to get back to 'motorcycle racing' if that is at all possible. Believe it or not, that's why I originally got into this sport as a teenager. The emotions of watching a person take a motorcycle to the physical limits! I'm aware of the forces or circumstances that influence results, but regardless, each competitor still does control their machine in a way that appeals to me as they circulate with stunning acumen, that was my first love of the sport. Maybe it's not a bad time to switch my viewing energy to Wsbk, with the added serendipity that the prettiest and most noble racer I've known, that be Nicky, will now be contesting.

This is the perspective that I will try to discipline myself in viewing Valencia.
 
Morning, here we are then redirected. There are a lot of pages in this thread and quite old, the links don't work, not surprising really given the age I guess. I'm also surprised that apart from the post above that no one has posted on here since 2015.
Now from the other threads I have seen so far there is a lot of words like, evidence, proof, facts etc etc spouted over and over. Regardless of any results, press conferences, timings etc there is no proof of what may have been said between the riders off air. I'll give you an example.
JL. mañana marc
MM. mañana jorge
MM. ¿Qué puedo hacer por ti hoy?
JL. Necesito que frenes a Vale. Es demasiado rápido y me alcanzará.
MM. Ok, déjamelo a mí.
JL. gracias marc te amo
MM. ¿Sigues haciendo paella el lunes?
JL. Sí, sí, pero no traigas a Brian esta vez, es malo...
Now you can't prove this did not happen. There is no evidence to the contrary. Likewise I cannot prove it did. I think it is very highly likely. You don't. But there is no evidence of that not happening.
Looking over this site the more I see of it the more it seems you descend into name calling, is this the norm on here?
 
Nick Mac said:
Morning, here we are then redirected. There are a lot of pages in this thread and quite old, the links don't work, not surprising really given the age I guess. I'm also surprised that apart from the post above that no one has posted on here since 2015.
Now from the other threads I have seen so far there is a lot of words like, evidence, proof, facts etc etc spouted over and over. Regardless of any results, press conferences, timings etc there is no proof of what may have been said between the riders off air. I'll give you an example.
JL. mañana marc
MM. mañana jorge
MM. ¿Qué puedo hacer por ti hoy?
JL. Necesito que frenes a Vale. Es demasiado rápido y me alcanzará.
MM. Ok, déjamelo a mí.
JL. gracias marc te amo
MM. ¿Sigues haciendo paella el lunes?
JL. Sí, sí, pero no traigas a Brian esta vez, es malo...
Now you can't prove this did not happen. There is no evidence to the contrary. Likewise I cannot prove it did. I think it is very highly likely. You don't. But there is no evidence of that not happening.
Looking over this site the more I see of it the more it seems you descend into name calling, is this the norm on here?
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You know how I can prove this didn't happen? Easily. Because you made it up. Thats really ridicules just to make up a conversation and claim I cannot prove it didn't happen. Your denial is very impressive. I think I can officially tag you as a member of the valeban. You can stop now. Your opinion official means less that nothing.

There is no proof that Uccios anus isn't community property of the VR46 ranch. Prove me wrong.
 
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Nick Mac said:
Morning, here we are then redirected. There are a lot of pages in this thread and quite old, the links don't work, not surprising really given the age I guess. I'm also surprised that apart from the post above that no one has posted on here since 2015.
Now from the other threads I have seen so far there is a lot of words like, evidence, proof, facts etc etc spouted over and over. Regardless of any results, press conferences, timings etc there is no proof of what may have been said between the riders off air. I'll give you an example.
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Check results of Philip Island 2015 for proof of results. Watch this video and tell me who looks like an ........

 
Nick Mac said:
Morning, here we are then redirected. There are a lot of pages in this thread and quite old, the links don't work, not surprising really given the age I guess. I'm also surprised that apart from the post above that no one has posted on here since 2015.
Now from the other threads I have seen so far there is a lot of words like, evidence, proof, facts etc etc spouted over and over. Regardless of any results, press conferences, timings etc there is no proof of what may have been said between the riders off air. I'll give you an example.
JL. mañana marc
MM. mañana jorge
MM. ¿Qué puedo hacer por ti hoy?
JL. Necesito que frenes a Vale. Es demasiado rápido y me alcanzará.
MM. Ok, déjamelo a mí.
JL. gracias marc te amo
MM. ¿Sigues haciendo paella el lunes?
JL. Sí, sí, pero no traigas a Brian esta vez, es malo...
Now you can't prove this did not happen. There is no evidence to the contrary. Likewise I cannot prove it did. I think it is very highly likely. You don't. But there is no evidence of that not happening.
Looking over this site the more I see of it the more it seems you descend into name calling, is this the norm on here?
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Do you have a source for this conversation?
 
Nick Mac said:
JL. mañana marc
MM. mañana jorge
MM. ¿Qué puedo hacer por ti hoy?
JL. Necesito que frenes a Vale. Es demasiado rápido y me alcanzará.
MM. Ok, déjamelo a mí.
JL. gracias marc te amo
MM. ¿Sigues haciendo paella el lunes?
JL. Sí, sí, pero no traigas a Brian esta vez, es malo...
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Man, I'm the last to criticize grammar and spelling but your question marcs are upside down and theres these weird french things on your letters. It looks mexican but i dont understand.
Buy a new keyboard and speak english du Juansohn

Edit : spelling.
 
No one has still been able to bring up examples of people who thought Marc conspired to help Jorge and hinder Valentino prior Rossi's famous presser.
 
Yep, not a single time stamped comment on any forum or social media between the end of that race and the Thursday press conference at Sepang.

But, after that...supposedly it was "obvious"

Also curious how people ignore that Marquez basically used an identical strategy to win the PI 2018 race.
 
Nick Mac said:
Morning, here we are then redirected. There are a lot of pages in this thread and quite old, the links don't work, not surprising really given the age I guess. I'm also surprised that apart from the post above that no one has posted on here since 2015.
Now from the other threads I have seen so far there is a lot of words like, evidence, proof, facts etc etc spouted over and over. Regardless of any results, press conferences, timings etc there is no proof of what may have been said between the riders off air. I'll give you an example.
JL. mañana marc
MM. mañana jorge
MM. ¿Qué puedo hacer por ti hoy?
JL. Necesito que frenes a Vale. Es demasiado rápido y me alcanzará.
MM. Ok, déjamelo a mí.
JL. gracias marc te amo
MM. ¿Sigues haciendo paella el lunes?
JL. Sí, sí, pero no traigas a Brian esta vez, es malo...
Now you can't prove this did not happen. There is no evidence to the contrary. Likewise I cannot prove it did. I think it is very highly likely. You don't. But there is no evidence of that not happening.
Looking over this site the more I see of it the more it seems you descend into name calling, is this the norm on here?
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What started all this was the Sepang 2015 press conference, during which the claims made by Rossi about the previous race at PI, a race MM actually won by dint of a bonkers last lap, thereby depriving Lorenzo of 5 points, were frankly ludicrous, and even more so when it emerged this was not something Rossi had noticed during the race, which might have had slightly more credibility, but rather was detected by the post race analysis of that noted bike racing sage Uccio. Any strategy that wins a rider a race by his pace over the full distance of the race is fairly hard to take issue with I would have thought, and if MM didn't race Lorenzo as hard earlier in the race at a stage when he had crashed out of quite a number of races that season and then raced harder later in the race when the bike came to him and he saw a chance to win which he duly took how is that malfeasance ?. One of the problems Rossi had that year is that he mostly had to come through the field because he didn't qualify well enough, his problem and not JL's or MM's. Did MM engineer Iannone finishing third to further deprive Rossi of points at PI 2015 as well btw ?.

Imo at Sepang 2015 MM after the famous press conference having not interfered with the title contenders at PI except by taking the win when it was on offer very likely decided to show Valentino what interfering with a title contender really looked like, as a student of the sport by re-creating Motegi 2010. The circumstances were not entirely the same, it was inevitable Lorenzo would win the title then even if he didn't clinch it at that round, but the races looked fairly similar to me, with Rossi also not doing anything illegal while strongly contesting Lorenzo for position, for third on that occasion as well.


What I would like to see is any evidence that Rossi was other than the 4th fastest rider at Sepang 2015 or Valencia 2015, if he wanted to prove that the title really was stolen from him he had ample time and a clear track to produce the times to back up his claim at both races. Particularly if MM was actually faster than him at Sepang he would have finished 4th and gone to Valencia with 3 less points if he hadn't taken MM out. Ironically his complaints about MM resulted in one of the more remarkable proclamations by the stewards/RD I have ever encountered, that he had committed no infraction at Sepang but was instructed that he should not interfere with the contenders for the title with which instruction he duly complied at Valencia 2015. If MM had been alive in the title race of course he would have attempted an aggressive pass on Lorenzo, but such a pass would not have been risk free, and he had ironically been specifically admonished not to take such a risk. What you guys all complain about, MM blocking an adventurous pass from Pedrosa, was probably actually Valentino's best chance, if MM and DP took each other out Valentino wins the title.
 
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