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MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

Jumkie said:
Mike, one of my first thoughts on the subject of Marc crashing was regarding this year's new tire. Im always acutely aware of tires because I've always felt its the single most factor among competitive machines that decides titles, and with ample precedent (SNS). I wholely rejected the "decline of the RCV" as the culprit. The crashes meant he pushed beyond the grip limits, rider error, and dovetails my suspicion regarding tires.

The issue I debated was not that Casey had inferior tires, but rather the suggestion that they were switched come race day. That didn't seem plausible. But now anything seems possible. If you recall I recently dug up and reminded Migs of the conspiracy Rossi alluded to that his tires (during the SNS Era no less) had been suddenly and inexplicably been odd and different for the Valencia 2006 showdown.

High risk gamble to give Rossi better consistency during a season? What? What was at risk? That Marc would dominate or Lorenzo would be faster? Uhm, this had been the case last two years. It was a no brainer to create a tire that suited Rossi. Hey guys, the most popular rider in the history of the universe will forever have highlights being shown on a continuous loop with BRIDGESTONES. In the absolute greatest ever comback story ever. Yeah, you're right, Bridgestone leaving and never having another 'golden' marketing opportunity present itself like this wouldn't have been attractive.
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Just in case you missed it ;)

Dude,

Seriously I think you need to find another sport to follow, because clearly you are really, really ...... up when it comes to Rossi, Dorna, Marc etc etc.
I think you would be much happier doing something else, because the odd time I come here now reading your .... is actually depressing and I feel sorry for you, go and play with your kids, enjoy the outdoors, maybe fishing?

Honestly I'm concerned for your well-being, someone shouldn't hate this much. Why do you watch the sport? Clearly anytime you see Rossi your blood must boil and its pretty hard to miss him whilst watching motogp.

This is just another .... around from VR, he's having a go and its created quite a storm. Jorge crapped on about bad luck costing him the title, Rossi is now having a go at Marc, its great! Drama buddy, lap it up and enjoy it-only I think you can't, time to lighten up bud and move on.

Nickys going to WSBK-maybe you might enjoy it over there a little more-forget Valentino Rossi-he's not worth it, they guy does not give the slightest flying .... about you or most of the others like us those who post dribble on forums and social media-as he said in the press conference today also.
 
Jumkie said:
Hahaha! This has me rolling. Fantastic.

Let's just call Rossi Zeus. Didn't he eat his own children to stay on top?
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No I brought Zeus into this, and he is a bopper, didn't you know?


Dude,

Seriously I think you need to find another sport to follow, because clearly you are really, really ...... up when it comes to Rossi, Dorna, Marc etc etc.
I think you would be much happier doing something else, because the odd time I come here now reading your .... is actually depressing and I feel sorry for you, go and play with your kids, enjoy the outdoors, maybe fishing?

Honestly I'm concerned for your well-being, someone shouldn't hate this much. Why do you watch the sport? Clearly anytime you see Rossi your blood must boil and its pretty hard to miss him whilst watching motogp.

This is just another .... around from VR, he's having a go and its created quite a storm. Jorge crapped on about bad luck costing him the title, Rossi is now having a go at Marc, its great! Drama buddy, lap it up and enjoy it-only I think you can't, time to lighten up bud and move on.

Nickys going to WSBK-maybe you might enjoy it over there a little more-forget Valentino Rossi-he's not worth it, they guy does not give the slightest flying .... about you or most of the others like us those who post dribble on forums and social media-as he said in the press conference today also.
 
Jumkie said:
Hahaha, can't spot a compliment or joke when you see it.
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What about good advice? See below....


Dude,

Seriously I think you need to find another sport to follow, because clearly you are really, really ...... up when it comes to Rossi, Dorna, Marc etc etc.
I think you would be much happier doing something else, because the odd time I come here now reading your .... is actually depressing and I feel sorry for you, go and play with your kids, enjoy the outdoors, maybe fishing?

Honestly I'm concerned for your well-being, someone shouldn't hate this much. Why do you watch the sport? Clearly anytime you see Rossi your blood must boil and its pretty hard to miss him whilst watching motogp.

This is just another .... around from VR, he's having a go and its created quite a storm. Jorge crapped on about bad luck costing him the title, Rossi is now having a go at Marc, its great! Drama buddy, lap it up and enjoy it-only I think you can't, time to lighten up bud and move on.

Nickys going to WSBK-maybe you might enjoy it over there a little more-forget Valentino Rossi-he's not worth it, they guy does not give the slightest flying .... about you or most of the others like us those who post dribble on forums and social media-as he said in the press conference today also.
 
Jumkie said:
Michelin's have become ...., if they don't improve I'll QUIT. (Dorna to the rescue).

If I don't get Bridgestones I'll QUIT. (Dorna to the rescue)

Yamaha are not treating me like the King, I QUIT.

If Ducati don't improve I'll QUIT. (Dorna to the rescue).
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Its not your fault.....Its not your fault....Its not your fault


Dude,

Seriously I think you need to find another sport to follow, because clearly you are really, really ...... up when it comes to Rossi, Dorna, Marc etc etc.
I think you would be much happier doing something else, because the odd time I come here now reading your .... is actually depressing and I feel sorry for you, go and play with your kids, enjoy the outdoors, maybe fishing?

Honestly I'm concerned for your well-being, someone shouldn't hate this much. Why do you watch the sport? Clearly anytime you see Rossi your blood must boil and its pretty hard to miss him whilst watching motogp.

This is just another .... around from VR, he's having a go and its created quite a storm. Jorge crapped on about bad luck costing him the title, Rossi is now having a go at Marc, its great! Drama buddy, lap it up and enjoy it-only I think you can't, time to lighten up bud and move on.

Nickys going to WSBK-maybe you might enjoy it over there a little more-forget Valentino Rossi-he's not worth it, they guy does not give the slightest flying .... about you or most of the others like us those who post dribble on forums and social media-as he said in the press conference today also.
 
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Originally - I was looking for a clip of the skit with all the famously witty poets and writers who - in fear of losing their heads - try to explain away an insult - by using tortured logic and rationales - to try to make the (the King?) believe the a nasty insult was a witty metaphorical, back-handed compliment, but I couldn't find it.
 
So I wonder if this would be considered dangerous or safe but either way it looks like an attempt by a pissed off rider to try and piss off a certain rider, and got the reaction it deserved

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I am starting to think that Talps is working on his post count .......... :)



WTF, may as well myself
 
Gaz said:
So I wonder if this would be considered dangerous or safe but either way it looks like an attempt by a pissed off rider to try and piss off a certain rider, and got the reaction it deserved

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Thnx. What the ...., that actually looked dangerous. I distinctly remember Race Indiscretion had developed a protocol for this because of some incidents. Rossi is being a total ..... If there is a god, Karma will .... him.
 
@ Jumkie Ulysses too dismissed his pride in order to save his .... That's the type of .... he does/they do. Even assuming it went 100% the way you're claiming, Valentino in that circumstance, after two years of frustrations and knowing how close he was to a very sad end of career, had one last jolly in his hands (or in his sleeve) and simply played it. Honestly, I don't feel like blaming him for that, and in any case I'm not gonna think less of what he's done as a rider because of that. He needed to feel relevant again. He's not the first nor the last to have that kind of problem in this world.

You can say he technically "earned" (quite literally) the possibility of having the second Yamaha chance with everything he's done on and off the track in his pre-Ducati career... motorsport is not just about racing. It just isn't (and I'm saying this as if Rossi had achieved nothing on track...)

@ michealm I do recall last year's Valencia and agree my analysis was too focused on this specific year... Being as reflective and rational as he is, Jorge surely has some points and logic in approaching the task to race Vale like this. If, for istance (mere fantasy/cheap psychological speculation, but why not?), he's the first to know deep inside he's too afraid of repeating one or two Valencia 2009 scenarios, and that an eventual replay of them would crack his self-confidence once and for all, his "autistic" racing could gain some meaning. I'd still think it's a tactic with flaws, though, because: 1) In fact, all datas seem to indicate that if there's a year when he could beat Vale multiple times on the body to body, this 2015 is it; 2) the results show that there's too much sperequation between how well everything works when everything works (five victories) and how poorer it gets when something gets in his way (five 4th/5th placements). It's precisely through this discomforting void dug by 99's excessive isolated perfectionism that Rossi has found its unexpected, unhortodox, shaky yet effective way to get back into the main business.

To kind miss #22 I can only respectfully say she for sure knows mythology and ancient greek and latin literature 1000x times better than me, and yeah, my analogies were as forced and amateurish as it could possibly get... I barely studied those things in school, and I wasn't a very good student. But the Ulysses thing just popped naturally to my head. Ulysses (in greek Odysseus), this I remember, has as his first and most important epithet in Homer's work "polytropos" = multiform: a cunning ......., a smartass who would sell his mother for any of his ultimate goals and is versatile enough to deal with all sorts of enemies in bad conditions, a lonely man, no more no less (just like his two later alter egos in Dante's and Joyce's works), and, most importantly, a traveler, a vagabond lost at sea. For the last 6 years Valentino has been lost at sea, roaming in discomforting places with nothing but his good memories and his mind to get him through. Now I think the time has come for him to finally set foot again in his beloved Ithaca and hug Penelope.

Ps No, I'm not a Rossi "bopper" or fanatic, as much as I know I sound like one, but too many of you asked me to try to justify the randomness, so... I just tried =)
 
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JPSLotus said:
Talps, chill the .... out.

Your post is getting annoying as .....
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Haha, no bother bro. Talpa and I go way back. He's my homie. Its all good. He's just a bit nervous like Rossi and is having a little meltdown. I don't see what he is so worried about. VR is leading by a comfortable margin. Rossi is the Goat after all, easy win this me thinks. .... has to go way right for Lorenzo and really bad for VR to go even in points to Valencia. And even then Rossi could still win at Valencia. Last time it went to the wire like this Rossi sat on pole position for the final race. Its all Rossi at this point. Only a miracle can help Lorenzo.
 
Aggettivo said:
@ Jumkie Ulysses too dismissed his pride in order to save his .... That's the type of .... he does/they do. Even assuming it went 100% the way you're claiming, Valentino in that circumstance, after two years of frustrations and knowing how close he was to a very sad end of career, had one last jolly in his hands (or in his sleeve) and simply played it. Honestly, I don't feel like blaming him for that, and in any case I'm not gonna think less of what he's done as a rider because of that. He needed to feel relevant again. He's not the first nor the last to have that kind of problem in this world.

You can say he technically "earned" (quite literally) the possibility of having the second Yamaha chance with everything he's done on and off the track in his pre-Ducati career... motorsport is not just about racing. It just isn't (and I'm saying this as if Rossi had achieved nothing on track...)

@ michealm I do recall last year's Valencia and agree my analysis was too focused on this specific year... Being as reflective and rational as he is, Jorge surely has some points and logic in approaching the task to race Vale like this. If, for istance (mere fantasy/cheap psychological speculation, but why not?), he's the first to know deep inside he's too afraid of repeating one or two Valencia 2009 scenarios, and that an eventual replay of them would crack his self-confidence once and for all, his "autistic" racing could gain some meaning. I'd still think it's a tactic with flaws, though, because: 1) In fact, all datas seem to indicate that if there's a year when he could beat Vale multiple times on the body to body, this 2015 is it; 2) the results show that there's too much sperequation between how well everything works when everything works (five victories) and how poorer it gets when something gets in his way (five 4th/5th placements). It's precisely through this discomforting void dug by 99's excessive isolated perfectionism that Rossi has found its unexpected, unhortodox, shaky yet effective way to get back into the main business.

To kind miss #22 I can only respectfully say she for sure knows mythology and ancient greek and latin literature 1000x times better than me, and yeah, my analogies were as forced and amateurish as it could possibly get... I barely studied those things in school, and I wasn't a very good student. But the Ulysses thing just popped naturally to my head. Ulysses (in greek Odysseus), this I remember, has as his first and most important epithet in Homer's work "polytropos" = multiform: a cunning ......., a smartass who would sell his mother for any of his ultimate goals and is versatile enough to deal with all sorts of enemies in bad conditions, a lonely man, no more no less (just like his two later alter egos in Dante's and Joyce's works), and, most importantly, a traveler, a vagabond lost at sea. For the last 6 years Valentino has been lost at sea, roaming in discomforting places with nothing but his good memories and his mind to get him through. Now I think the time has come for him to finally set foot again in his beloved Ithaca and hug Penelope.

Ps No, I'm not a Rossi "bopper" or fanatic, as much as I know I sound like one, but too many of you asked me to try to justify the randomness, so... I just tried =)
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Jesus H Christmas dude. Fantastic post. We need more peeps like u here. Please stick around man. Pleasure to read.

One small comment, it's precisely the anomaly that you pointed out in the two contrasting fortunes for Lorenzo and Rossi in regards to tires is what I point to as suspect. Rossi's tires have worked well all year, consist. A true anomaly when you look back to the previous two years. While for Lorenzo its been more sporadic. In these last two rounds it is more likely that Rossi will arrive on the podium (practicality a statistical certainty given the season) while Lorenzo for the win is a far less predictable proposition!!! These are the nuances that must be pointed out. And that makes all the difference over a season.
 
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Well the mind games are in full force alright!

I actually think Rossi is quite pissed, this is actually highly unusual of the modern Rossi, moreso what we used to get from him in the Biaggi, Sete days.

Kropo is probably onto something in his assumption, however Ianonne backing him up-and really the only other rider who is capable of commenting is very interesting. Most of us thought there was something up with Marc's pace on Sunday and since Misano Rossi has had some serious stress and very unusual circumstances to contend with on race day.

Firstly Misano, 100,000 people show up basically for him to a race he led, looked strongest in but he ...... up and finished fifth. Then Aragon where Pedrosa who had done nothing ALL season to that point had the race of his career to beat him to second.
Then Motegi, which clearly took its toll on Rossi physically and Mentally (the old bones), and then his biggest rival in the title chase says that he is only losing the championship because of bad luck.
And then PI which was and certainly is now controversial to say the least. I agree with many, he should have been faster and just beat all of them, however he was faster for the first part of the race, and consistently faster than Lorenzo, but he got held up on the straight, and blocked by Marc-I'm surprised Jums you haven't got onto this one more, obviously you hate Rossi far more than Marc ;).
What Rossi is saying is that he was faster, than Lorenzo and Ianonne-and he was, but Marc applied dirty tactics to hold him up and unfortunately for Rossi his bike was a slug on the straight and he couldn't do anything about it. So in two crucial races he has been ... ...... by the two repsol Honda's in very unusual circumstances and is now lashing out, his teammate gets gifted all of these circumstances, and has the hide to say that bad luck is costing him the title after he completely ...... his race at Motegi all by himself-this would piss me off

Now he arrives at the track where he ran over one of his best friends and killed him, and is looking borderline psychotic on track and off, very scary and I certainly would not want to be on track with him at the moment.
 
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Gaz said:
So I wonder if this would be considered dangerous or safe but either way it looks like an attempt by a pissed off rider to try and piss off a certain rider, and got the reaction it deserved

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might be a little late on this but wtf, rossi looks like kid on crack, no wonder he lookes stoned during their interview:rolleyes:(red eyes, keeping the water in his mouth so it wouldnt dry up ....;))

ps, im surprised to see Odysseus reference in a motorcycle forum, but for some reason i liked those posts. ( didne get the achilles and aphrodite, but no need for explanation.)
 
Talpa said:
Well the mind games are in full force alright!

I actually think Rossi is quite pissed, this is actually highly unusual of the modern Rossi, moreso what we used to get from him in the Biaggi, Sete days.

Kropo is probably onto something in his assumption, however Ianonne backing him up-and really the only other rider who is capable of commenting is very interesting. Most of us thought there was something up with Marc's pace on Sunday and since Misano Rossi has had some serious stress and very unusual circumstances to contend with on race day.

Firstly Misano, 100,000 people show up basically for him to a race he led, looked strongest in but he ...... up and finished fifth. Then Aragon where Pedrosa who had done nothing ALL season to that point had the race of his career to beat him to second.
Then Motegi, which clearly took its toll on Rossi physically and Mentally (the old bones), and then his biggest rival in the title chase says that he is only losing the championship because of bad luck.
And then PI which was and certainly is now controversial to say the least. I agree with many, he should have been faster and just beat all of them, however he was faster for the first part of the race, and consistently faster than Lorenzo, but he got held up on the straight, and blocked by Marc-I'm surprised Jums you haven't got onto this one more, obviously you hate Rossi far more than Marc ;).
What Rossi is saying is that he was faster, than Lorenzo and Ianonne-and he was, but Marc applied dirty tactics to hold him up and unfortunately for Rossi his bike was a slug on the straight and he couldn't do anything about it. So in two crucial races he has been ... ...... by the two repsol Honda's in very unusual circumstances and is now lashing out, his teammate gets gifted all of these circumstances, and has the hide to say that bad luck is costing him the title after he completely ...... his race at Motegi all by himself-this would piss me off

Now he arrives at the track where he ran over one of his best friends and killed him, and is looking borderline psychotic on track and off, very scary and I certainly would not want to be on track with him at the moment.
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Talpa said:
I actually think Rossi is quite pissed, this is actually highly unusual of the modern Rossi, moreso what we used to get from him in the Biaggi, Sete days.
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Nope.

Rossi was more controlled and far less angry back in those days, as afterall he had control of the situation and at present he does not have that same level of situational control


Talpa said:
Kropo is probably onto something in his assumption, however Ianonne backing him up-and really the only other rider who is capable of commenting is very interesting. Most of us thought there was something up with Marc's pace on Sunday and since Misano Rossi has had some serious stress and very unusual circumstances to contend with on race day.
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Well stuff me, I am certainly not MOST people and near all I have spoken with are also not MOST so not sure where this MOST comes from (although some very Rossi centric forums are definitely in agreement with you)

Many people watching could see the times where MM ran wide, missed braking markers and took them for what (I suspect) they to actually be, a rider pushing way hard on a bike that he is not 100% happy with.

And BTW, apparently Smith also has gone public with an occasion where he had mega front end trouble with the tyre, backed off for a few laps and found that the tyre then came back (as MM had said)

As for Ianonne, what else is he to say given that VR has called his fans out for abusing Ianonne because Ianonne beat him (fair and square). Ianonne could hardly come out and disagree publically at least

Talpa said:
Firstly Misano, 100,000 people show up basically for him to a race he led, looked strongest in but he ...... up and finished fifth. Then Aragon where Pedrosa who had done nothing ALL season to that point had the race of his career to beat him to second.
Then Motegi, which clearly took its toll on Rossi physically and Mentally (the old bones), and then his biggest rival in the title chase says that he is only losing the championship because of bad luck.
And then PI which was and certainly is now controversial to say the least. I agree with many, he should have been faster and just beat all of them, however he was faster for the first part of the race, and consistently faster than Lorenzo, but he got held up on the straight, and blocked by Marc-I'm surprised Jums you haven't got onto this one more, obviously you hate Rossi far more than Marc ;).
What Rossi is saying is that he was faster, than Lorenzo and Ianonne-and he was, but Marc applied dirty tactics to hold him up and unfortunately for Rossi his bike was a slug on the straight and he couldn't do anything about it. So in two crucial races he has been ... ...... by the two repsol Honda's in very unusual circumstances and is now lashing out, his teammate gets gifted all of these circumstances, and has the hide to say that bad luck is costing him the title after he completely ...... his race at Motegi all by himself-this would piss me off
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Please ooutline these dirty tactics

I mean, you aren't saying that a person wanting to race with others before clearing off are dirty tactics, surely.

If so, please advise of your thoughts regarding the 'dirty tactics' or years past where riders are said to have hung back and played with the opposition to make things 'more entertaining' only to clear off into the distance.

MM rode his race, Rossi his. Rossi lost and has come out to blame everyone and everything. Sounds a bit whingey or whiney to me.

Talpa said:
Now he arrives at the track where he ran over one of his best friends and killed him, and is looking borderline psychotic on track and off, very scary and I certainly would not want to be on track with him at the moment.
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Are you suggesting that he is dangerous, determined or focussed?

If dangerous then he should not be on the track.

If determined, I suspect that there are many out there equally determined, and if focussed, well it is his job.

What I personally hope is that we do not see repeats of years past where things are decided by rough and ready passes that if done by rider A are genius, but if by Rider B are dirty and unsportsmanlike.



All that said, the championship is still in Rossi's hands and what I see is a flustered Rossi trying to get MM to stay out of the way and thus to minimise the points lost.

Afterall, if MM was really playing for Lorenzo, why did he take the 5 points from him at MG?
 
"What Rossi is saying is that he was faster, than Lorenzo and Ianonne-and he was, but Marc applied dirty tactics to hold him up"
well, he might be right, but the problem is why is he saying it?!as far as mind games goes, i dont think he'll get any advantage from that statement, maybe even add some incentive to MM or JL. and as far as the pressure goes, yeah, you might be right, but he is suppose to be the guy strong mentality and he has been around long enough and done that too many time to start acting this way.

one theory is that, he knows he would probably win this championship but that wouldnt satisfy him enough when he sees that other guys are winning 2 or even 3 more GP s than him, he WANTS to win one of these but cant fine the pace at the moment.
 

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