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That reminds me.
When Rossi showed up with lap time charts, graphs, and a bunch of documents with hand written notes, it appears a sheet fell out of the pile as he retired back to his motorhome. One unidentified spectator found the document. Its still unclear if it belonged to Valentino Rossi.
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** Please forgive any memory lapses with this post **
I personally have always disliked Hayden because of 2002! He was on the damn RC-51 (1000 Twin), meanwhile poor Eric Bostrom, was stuck on the ZX-7R (750 I4). If i have no dog in the fight, i route for the underdog. That RC-51 was far and away superior. Eric worked his ... off just to keep up, and honestly i thought he was the better rider that year. Hayden wins the championship and goes on to be a superstar. Eric Bostrom goes on to be a bozo. Interesting how similar paths can diverge so quickly. So, injustice perceived by me, Hayden dislike as the result.
Maybe it's the wrong way to do it, but i cheer for the manufacturer. I love Yamaha. So i hated Rossi, then i loved him. I hate Marquez, but if he signs with Yamaha, i'll love him. So, i don't know if i'm a true blue bopper, but i do want him to win this year. Good talking.
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Perhaps your animadversions about Lorenzo's approach this year are not entirely off the planet, although arguably changing his approach for one wet race, going for too much and putting the bike down is the reason he is not leading the championship as we speak.
It was hardly his approach for his 2 title defences though, which is what made me a fan. He fought absolutely tooth and nail to the last turn of the wheel in both 2011 and 2013, perhaps against the odds in the first place; Honda were massively motivated and their bike massively resourced. Do you not recall the Valencia 2013 race?
Given recent reaction to Iannone, to say nothing of anyone else who has ever challenged Valentino head on, even for a single race like Tony Elias, let alone for a holy grail 8th championship, do you think it vaguely possible that Jorge has tailored his approach this year to his opponent.
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Eric Bostrom, my second ever liked Superbike guy in the AMA. Actually I liked Eric and Ben the same. Both a hair behind Nicky. I'm not so sure Eric had the same drive as Nicky to go on to "greatness." At least not defined in the conventional way. I say this because I think Eric moved on to pursue his own happiness, and I admire him for that. Eric never caught his big breakthrough. Many riders in his shoes.
No E Boz didnt have the drive. I believe in the case of 2002 however, that if they changed bikes, we would've seen the opposite outcome as far as that championship went. Hayden would still have moved on to bigger and better.
I have perhaps let the memory fade of attitudes to the 2006 and 2007 non-Rossi title wins, which is what got me involved in the forum as well. There were however also many reasonable Rossi fans on the forum then, such as Babel, and Ben himself as I recall.
I would hardly dispute the possibility of tyre manipulation, given historical occurrences and having suggested in the past that it occurred to Casey Stoner's disadvantage , although you considered me to be indulging in conspiracy theories at the time :happy:.
I am willing to believe Valentino has a tyre which better suits him this year, he is even possibly in a position to influence this, although I see no problem with him being provided with such a tyre as long as others have not been nobbled, and as I have said, Jorge has also been given back "his" tyre. You have however been arguing for the whole season that MM's problems are self created, with which I agree to a significant extent.
As has been said, it would have been a high risk gamble to attempt to manipulate the championship to only benefit Rossi, and required full cooperation from Bridgestone whilst in the throes of a divorce.
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Mike, one of my first thoughts on the subject of Marc crashing was regarding this year's new tire. Im always acutely aware of tires because I've always felt its the single most factor among competitive machines that decides titles, and with ample precedent (SNS). I wholely rejected the "decline of the RCV" as the culprit. The crashes meant he pushed beyond the grip limits, rider error, and dovetails my suspicion regarding tires.
The issue I debated was not that Casey had inferior tires, but rather the suggestion that they were switched come race day. That didn't seem plausible. But now anything seems possible. If you recall I recently dug up and reminded Migs of the conspiracy Rossi alluded to that his tires (during the SNS Era no less) had been suddenly and inexplicably been odd and different for the Valencia 2006 showdown.
High risk gamble to give Rossi better consistency during a season? What? What was at risk? That Marc would dominate or Lorenzo would be faster? Uhm, this had been the case last two years. It was a no brainer to create a tire that suited Rossi. Hey guys, the most popular rider in the history of the universe will forever have highlights being shown on a continuous loop with BRIDGESTONES. In the absolute greatest ever comback story ever. Yeah, you're right, Bridgestone leaving and never having another 'golden' marketing opportunity present itself like this wouldn't have been attractive.
The issue I debated was not that Casey had inferior tires, but rather the suggestion that they were switched come race day. That didn't seem plausible. But now anything seems possible. If you recall I recently dug up and reminded Migs of the conspiracy Rossi alluded to that his tires (during the SNS Era no less) had been suddenly and inexplicably been odd and different for the Valencia 2006 showdown.
High risk gamble to give Rossi better consistency during a season? What? What was at risk? That Marc would dominate or Lorenzo would be faster? Uhm, this had been the case last two years. It was a no brainer to create a tire that suited Rossi. Hey guys, the most popular rider in the history of the universe will forever have highlights being shown on a continuous loop with BRIDGESTONES. In the absolute greatest ever comback story ever. Yeah, you're right, Bridgestone leaving and never having another 'golden' marketing opportunity present itself like this wouldn't have been attractive.
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Really?
Even in this topic, you've tried to keep the fire going by making thinly veiled references.
This post of yours is just more of it.
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My wife is an expert on Greek Mythology. This was her comments on your post:
"Whoa Whoa Whoa, you can't be mixing Greek and Roman! Aphrodite and Achillies are both Greek, Ulysses is the Roman equivalent of Odysseus (who, after winning the Trojan war, pissed of Poseidon but forgot he had to cross the ocean to get home)"
So, who has Rossi pissed that will make his quest to win a tenth title hard (I.e. Who is the Poseidon who is going to kick Rossi's ...? Lorenzo? Dorna? Marquez?
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Far worse than that...he sold his soul to Altadis an ritually slaughtered his crew chief.
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