MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

ReddiWhip · Oct 26, 2015

littlesparrows said:
....!!! So I don't get free Dunkin Donuts today?!?

Wawa coffee for $1 is as good as it's going to get I'm afraid.

SlartyBartFast · Oct 26, 2015

When is a penalty not really a penalty?
When you are riding a factory Yamaha and made to start at the back of the grid when in reality only racing three other bikes. Rossi can finish fourth easily and claim his Eighth title unless Lorenzo can beat one of the Hondas. If Lorenzo finishes second and Rossi fourth they will be equal on points.

propagandhi · Oct 26, 2015

Wish scenario : dani storms off. Pulls a stoner. He deserves another win
We're treated to an epic battle for 2nd between marc and jorge while watching vale slowly climb the order. And on the last lap either marc waves jorge through or cal does a cal on rossi.
That would be awesome. If it's contrived it should at least offer some fourth wall breaks, no?

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 26, 2015

Gaz said:
That is the one that sticks in my mind more than most and was mentioned earlier in this thread and other places (in other places I got smashed for mentioning it because 'Lorenzo still had races to get any points back')

The thing that people seem to be over looking is that Rossi remains 7 points in front entering the last race of the season.

He is not behind in points but in front and JL will not be trying to ride beyond the limits so will be riding with a margin of error whilst trying to manage as best possible. It is this margin of error that makes JL vulnerable to both a mistake (as we know, concentration can be a funny thing) but more so to the attacks of other riders who want to win a race.

All the BS that the penalty applied has cost Rossi the championship is just that BS as he still has one race to ensure that he loses no more than 18 points on JL and given that fact that he is on a factory bike he has a major advantage over most of those he needs to come past at a track he knows intimately

You, or Dr.No, also mentioned another incident that I immediately thought of at the time - also at Motegi in '03 I think. Makoto Tamada was demoted from the rostrum having made contact with Sete under braking into '90° turn' (- Christ, it's not hard to tell that Honda designed this circuit is it!!). The two bikes made contact causing Gibernau to run on. Tamada was duly disqualified by race direction who issued some statement to the effect off riding in an irresponsible manner and causing danger to other riders. At the same meeting as I recollect, Hopper missed his braking marker (for a change) and took out Bayliss. This resulted in a 1 race suspension. Neither were premeditated, and neither had the intent of interfering with another rider on track.

People on here, some professing to be ex racers themselves, are cherry picking twitter feeds in an attempt to vindicate Rossi's actions and suggest a consensus of opinion that Rossi is right and it's frankly unbelievable. All it does is demonstrate that the cult of Valentino Rossi is as fanatical as it is extreme and in common with such blind worship and idolatry operates outside the realm of rationality. What happened at Sepang simply doesn't accord with the hagiography built around the deity that is VR, which once has yet again proven to be bigger than the sport itself.

As has been pointed out innumerable times, if Stoner or Marquez had pulled the same .... since PI - on and off the circuit -the World Wide Web would have been fried long before a victorious Pedro tore past the chequered flag impervious to the storm brewing behind him.

JPSLotus · Oct 26, 2015

#22 said:
Excellent post JPS. I grew up with this issue, especially Schumacher. The amount of times in drivers briefing fellow young drivers (kids) argued with the CoC over use of kerbs or similar, then ended up in race direction for barging someone off or soing something else, and their defence was always "Well they do it in F1!" or "Michael Schumacher gets away with it"...go to a club or even regional/national short circuit kart event today...it's like a millionaires demo derby.

I'm usually not much for the "won't anyone think of the kids" arguments because most of them are .........

But when it comes to sports, kids do emulate their heroes/idols in whatever sport they follow. One can say all they want that these guys should not be held up as role models or whatever else, but the fact is they are. What your personal experience regarding young drivers is exactly why penalties need to be enforced at top tier motorsports. I have no doubt we're going to see kids entering Moto3 in another 5-10 years who mimic everything they've seen from Valentino and Marc because Race Direction chose to take this approach:

propagandhi · Oct 26, 2015

Did u guys just compare schumi to rossi?
On hiatus till the awards show again. Zis iz unacceptable!

JPSLotus · Oct 26, 2015

propagandhi said:
Did u guys just compare schumi to rossi?
On hiatus till the awards show again. Zis iz unacceptable!

It's a fair comparison...

-Both enjoyed special privileges handed to them by the sports administrators.
-Their teams received preferred winner status by the administrators.
-Both have a long checkered history of dirty and dangerous driving/riding.
-Both have 7 world championships.
-Both of their fanbases are/were comprised of ....... lunatics.
-Both enjoyed massive success against mostly inferior competition.

RCV600RR · Oct 26, 2015

#22 said:
Another thing, for those who say Marquez had no place interfering with a rider who was challenging for the championship (As per Alex Lowes twitter) when they were out of contention, I say:

MOTEGI 2010

So, it was ok then because it was Rossi dishing it out, right?

The key difference is that Rossi was not favouring one rider over another, like Marc was. Rossi was merely defending his own position, as he would have done against any other rider.

Jumkie · Oct 26, 2015

The Boppers have only become increasingly insane. These "justice seekers" defending Rossi's DELIBERATE attempted murder were the exact ilk ready to crucify Toni Elias for racing Rossi hard and crashing in a RACING INCIDENT while simultaneously that year defending Pedrosa for torpeding the POINT LEADER Nicky in the penultimate round.

Not just double standard hypocrisy but utter insanity.

RCV600RR · Oct 26, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
You, or Dr.No, also mentioned another incident that I immediately thought of at the time - also at Motegi in '03 I think. Makoto Tamada was demoted from the rostrum having made contact with Sete under braking into '90° turn' (- Christ, it's not hard to tell that Honda designed this circuit is it!!). The two bikes made contact causing Gibernau to run on. Tamada was duly disqualified by race direction who issued some statement to the effect off riding in an irresponsible manner and causing danger to other riders. At the same meeting as I recollect, Hopper missed his braking marker (for a change) and took out Bayliss. This resulted in a 1 race suspension. Neither were premeditated, and neither had the intent of interfering with another rider on track.

People on here, some professing to be ex racers themselves, are cherry picking twitter feeds in an attempt to vindicate Rossi's actions and suggest a consensus of opinion that Rossi is right and it's frankly unbelievable. All it does is demonstrate that the cult of Valentino Rossi is as fanatical as it is extreme and in common with such blind worship and idolatry operates outside the realm of rationality. What happened at Sepang simply doesn't accord with the hagiography built around the deity that is VR, which once has yet again proven to be bigger than the sport itself.

As has been pointed out innumerable times, if Stoner or Marquez had pulled the same .... since PI - on and off the circuit -the World Wide Web would have been fried long before a victorious Pedro tore past the chequered flag impervious to the storm brewing behind him.

Excellent points.

JPSLotus · Oct 26, 2015

RCV600RR said:
The key difference is that Rossi was not favouring one rider over another, like Marc was. Rossi was merely defending his own position, as he would have done against any other rider.

Hi,

I don't know if you understand how facts work, but facts are a thing that is indisputable.

There is nothing that actually supports your assertion that Marc was favoring one rider over another.

However, if you have a piece of evidence that supports this assertion indisputably, by all means submit it so we can examine the evidence to make sure.

Regards,

JP

RCV600RR · Oct 26, 2015

SlartyBartFast said:
When is a penalty not really a penalty?
When you are riding a factory Yamaha and made to start at the back of the grid when in reality only racing three other bikes. Rossi can finish fourth easily and claim his Eighth title unless Lorenzo can beat one of the Hondas. If Lorenzo finishes second and Rossi fourth they will be equal on points.

I suspect that, for Jorge, one of the Hondas will be beatable at Valencia...

Alternatively, I would love it if Marc took the high ground and stormed away from the front to shut Rossi up.

xx CURVE xx · Oct 26, 2015

Laverty sums it up well: "Marc broke the unwritten rule, always RESPECT those fighting for a Championship when you're not. Vale got enraged and hung him out to dry"

#22 · Oct 26, 2015

RCV600RR said:
The key difference is that Rossi was not favouring one rider over another, like Marc was. Rossi was merely defending his own position, as he would have done against any other rider.

We will have to disagree on that one. Show me another race in 2010 where Rossi defended THAT hard. He had the hump that he felt JL had effectively forced him from Yamaha, and if you think that he would have ridden the same against Pedrosa in that race for example then you are mistaken.

If some bloke basically called me a .... in a Thursday press conference, to the point where my mother had to prove something said bloke was questioning, then you're damned right I'd be pissed off with him. ROSSI made his bed, and ROSSI has to sleep in it.

moto vudu · Oct 26, 2015

Funny how some people just refuse to accept that MM is the one that turned into Rossi and is responsible for his own crash. Yes, Rossi instigated the incident by running Marc wide, but Rossi never crashed into Marc and forced him down. You could also say MM instigated the incident by passing Rossi only to slow down again, either way they're both to blame.

RCV600RR · Oct 26, 2015

Jumkie said:
These "justice seekers" defending Rossi's DELIBERATE attempted murder.

I assume you're being hyperbolic when using the term 'attempted murder'.

#22 · Oct 26, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
Laverty sums it up well: "Marc broke the unwritten rule, always RESPECT those fighting for a Championship when you're not. Vale got enraged and hung him out to dry"

So Curve, what do you think about Motegi 2010then?

#22 · Oct 26, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Hi,

I don't know if you understand how facts work, but facts are a thing that is indisputable.

There is nothing that actually supports your assertion that Marc was favoring one rider over another.

However, if you have a piece of evidence that supports this assertion indisputably, by all means submit it so we can examine the evidence to make sure.

Regards,

JP

Thats the smoking gun all the Rossi Boppers would live to find...

Dr No · Oct 26, 2015

RCV600RR said:
The key difference is that Rossi was not favouring one rider over another, like Marc was. Rossi was merely defending his own position, as he would have done against any other rider.

I am glad someone brought up Motegi 2010..

Rossi has been having a shitcrack about riders who aren't challenging for the WC interfering with those who are.
JL was going for his first title, Rossi had no chance.
So why didn't he help JL catch Casey and then .... off into the distance on the last lap?
Geez..I wonder.
No problem being a ruthless competitor, just stop your ....... sense of entitlement.
I just really hope Valencia is a clean race.

RCV600RR · Oct 26, 2015

#22 said:
We will have to disagree on that one. Show me another race in 2010 where Rossi defended THAT hard. He had the hump that he felt JL had effectively forced him from Yamaha, and if you think that he would have ridden the same against Pedrosa in that race for example then you are mistaken.

If some bloke basically called me a .... in a Thursday press conference, to the point where my mother had to prove something said bloke was questioning, then you're damned right I'd be pissed off with him. ROSSI made his bed, and ROSSI has to sleep in it.

IRIC, Vale always races very hard in the last two laps of any race I've seen him in (including against Pedrosa). I can't think of any exceptions.

I agree that Rossi was stupid to call out Marc at the press conference. I think the smartest thing, if he had any complaints, was to approach Marc one-on-one, in private.

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