MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

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moto vudu said:

I would think Rossi would've had no issues rubbing paint with Marc if he was still in contention for the title. Rossi has gotten the better of Marc each time Marc has made contact with him, so if Marc was still in contention for the championship, I would think Rossi would prefer the contact.

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So what you're proffering here is that riders give way to other riders (on the lead lap) depending on their position in the championship. Imagine that for a second. After a few rounds, we'd have 3/4 of the field giving way during the race to the top 3 or 4 guys no matter the conditions. Why not take it further and say that at a certain point in the season only riders X,Y, and Z are allowed to win?

Maybe a staggered start where the first 4 go off and then 20 seconds later the rest of the field starts? Would you have supported this idea when Rossi was at Ducati? Everyone knew Rossi was never going to win on that bike. When he took out Stoner were you clamoring for him to be penalized? No.

This is an individual sport. The conditions and track change continuously occasionally favoring one rider or one machine week in and week out. Every Sunday something peculiar can and occasionally does happen (Petrux). The rules should be simple;

Ride as fast as you can, win if you can, don't be a .....

moto vudu said:

Race direction only stated that Rossi ran Marc wide and the result ended up being a crash (that result came because Marc chose to turn into Rossi). That's not the same as you stating Rossi punted Marc off his bike. Try again, you should know by know your elementary insults aren't working for you. Not sure why you think following your opinion with a childish insult somehow makes you sound more right.

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You're an ......

If it was a case of MM turning into VR, there would have been zero penalty lol.

I'm going to continue calling you an ....., a ....... moron, Forrest Gump's less intelligent sibling, or many other variations of such so long as you want to keep talking out of your ....

levigarrett said:

So what you're proffering here is that riders give way to other riders (on the lead lap) depending on their position in the championship. Imagine that for a second. After a few rounds, we'd have 3/4 of the field giving way during the race to the top 3 or 4 guys no matter the conditions. Why not take it further and say that at a certain point in the season only riders X,Y, and Z are allowed to win?

Maybe a staggered start where the first 4 go off and then 20 seconds later the rest of the field starts? Would you have supported this idea when Rossi was at Ducati? Everyone knew Rossi was never going to win on that bike. When he took out Stoner were you clamoring for him to be penalized? No.

This is an individual sport. The conditions and track change continuously occasionally favoring one rider or one machine week in and week out. Every Sunday something peculiar can and occasionally does happen (Petrux). The rules should be simple;

Ride as fast as you can, win if you can, don't be a .....

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Riders don't need to give way, they should just ride their own race and attempt to get the best result possible. Just like Dani at Aragon and Iannone at PI, they were not intentionally trying to slow Rossi down, but were simply going for the best result they could get.

JPSLotus said:

You're an ......

If it was a case of MM turning into VR, there would have been zero penalty lol.

I'm going to continue calling you an ....., a ....... moron, Forrest Gump's less intelligent sibling, or many other variations of such so long as you want to keep talking out of your ....

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Well according to you the penalty Rossi got was BS and should've been much worse. Guess you don't realize that race direction may have taken into account that Marc turned into Rossi and that's why Rossi's penalty wasn't as harsh as it could have been.

Telemetry, Moto VD?
Any?
Srsly.

moto vudu said:

Well according to you the penalty Rossi got was BS and should've been much worse. Guess you don't realize that race direction may have taken into account that Marc turned into Rossi and that's why Rossi's penalty wasn't as harsh as it could have been.

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Yes the penalty should have been much worse especially since VR instigated the whole thing.

Race Direction didn't have the balls to go the full 9 yards because I'm sure Carmelo was in the room or on conference call.

moto vudu said:

Riders don't need to give way, they should just ride their own race and attempt to get the best result possible. Just like Dani at Aragon and Iannone at PI, they were not intentionally trying to slow Rossi down, but were simply going for the best result they could get.

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I think this is where we are never going to agree despite your exceptional avatar choice. I don't think Marc was slowing Rossi down. In fact, I think Marc was faster. Rossi should have used Marc to pull them toward the leaders with the added benefit of preserving his tires. In the end, Race Direction found Rossi largely at fault and he'll serve his penalty. A lenient one at that.

This sums up the day and Rossi's exposure as a fraud.



Enjoy the night fellas.

Oh and just making the post to get us onto page 100.

A job well done.

The rumors of this forum's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Been a pleasure to have all of the convo today with you guys.

Cheers.

Awesome job all ............... we have hit the ton.

Off to bed. My head is spinning from trying to read all the bullocks

Now I lay me down to sleep

I pray the Lord for more BassPete.....

I'm off to do some more research. Did you guys know Max Biaggi used to be a GP rider before he went to WSBK?!

Interesting

Opinion from the paddocks: Google translated from italian (GPone.com)


Christian Sarron, a former pilot of the 500 and world champion in the 250, was in the press room to watch the race. After the incident between Rossi and Marquez was on his feet, " I have seen enough, I go do not want to know anything about it " . The central episode GP Sepang has created numerous discussions in the paddock, including pilots and experts.
We heard their views.


Andrea Dovizioso (Ducati) : " V alentino with his reaction went beyond the limits and it was a good episode to see. I think the same nagging Marquez and Rossi fell in his trap . He helped himself to create this situation on Thursday, I would say that the love between the two is over. No doubt Marc was playing a little 'with Valentino, but he never went beyond the limits of the regulation " .


Andrea Iannone (Ducati): " it is a complicated and delicate situation, I'm sorry that this happened in our sport. I have not seen the whole race and I can not judge, but I felt that Marquez was turning too slow. Second but had the potential to stay with Pedrosa and Lorenzo. In the warm-up was very fast, you can not go a second slower after a few hours . On each episode will have its opinion, but it certainly is a story that no one likes . "


Paolo Ciabatti (Ducati Sporting Director): " the intent to annoy Rossi Marquez was clear, but the reaction of Valentino is indefensible . I also think that the Clerk had all the tools to make an immediate decision. If we look to Rossi a revenge foul, then it had to be punished subit or ".


Angel Nieto (former rider, winner of 13 world titles): " what happened today is bad for everyone and sad for our sport . Even my times there have always been contacts and maneuvers to the limit, but unlike today there were all these cameras that make everything worse . "


Livio Suppo (Honda team principal): " in a normal world, the Race Direction would take a decision immediately, not to GP finished . Having said that, respect their choices. Marquez was simply doing his race, as well as at Phillip Island, with no maneuver incorrect: Rossi's reaction was excessive . "


Davide Brivio (Suzuki team manager): " it is very bad that a championship so beautiful is to end this way. The incident between Rossi and Marquez was the result of a climate of growing tension started at Phillip Island. The conduct of a race Marquez showed that he did not want to win the title to Valentino, he was not doing a normal race. He exasperated , Rossi wanted only play for the championship with Lorenzo . "


Randy Mamola (former 500 rider): " Marc can only say what really happened. Valentino has in the past played with opponents but now the MotoGP has become so extreme that it is no longer possible. Above all, Marquez and Lorenzo did not want to play " .

moto vudu said:

Riders don't need to give way, they should just ride their own race and attempt to get the best result possible. Just like Dani at Aragon and Iannone at PI, they were not intentionally trying to slow Rossi down, but were simply going for the best result they could get.

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And Marquez at PI? Best result he could get, what was it, refresh my memory? I didn't notice you posting during and after PI that Marquez was riding dirty at PI. Not a single commentator nor scribe pointed out Marquez was trying to slow Rossi down. There was only one mind on the planet thinking he was getting cheated, that mind belongs to Rossi. Quick call the doctor, I think he's sic.

Think 100 pages is enough for me on this subject. Time to move onto the Kitchen sale in Glasgow

Look out newbie posting, although I did join in August before it got interesting, just so I can get in on the drama.

So I can understand MotoGP and Rossi and his worshipers correctly:

1. Marquez is quicker than Rossi. He was slowing down to battle with Rossi. Look at their times in FP and warmup.
2. Lorenzo is not quicker than Rossi. Ignore the times in FP and warmup and race results.
3. Rossi always finds something special on race day. Look at the results.
4. Except at Sepang and PI, because Marquez was sandbagging. Look at the FP times.

Make the narrative however you want it, Rossi stopped racing, lost his cool, and took it personal. Nobody to blame but himself. For all the talk of his ability with mind games, his bluff got called big time.

The penalty is a joke anyway. Any other rider doing what Rossi did would have been black flagged or given a ride through, something that would have affected the championship far worse than starting at the back of the grid. Marquez got a black flag for pitting at the wrong time at PI in 2013 because it was "potentially" unsafe. 3 penalty points? Championship isn't over for Rossi. He's got a factory Yamaha. He will blitz by half the field by the first corner, and the rest of the pretenders by the end of the first lap. Then Dorna can have their miraculous triumph when Honda finishes 1-2, and Rossi finishes behind Lorenzo in 4th. Everyone's happy except JLo who is left whining that everyone should be disqualified.