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MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)
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Because Rossi's slanderous accusations levied at Marc were acceptable?
Lorenzo is simply stating something we all know, MotoVR is not a mere mirage.
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completely true.
and about your second comment; im not saying anything about rossi, im just kinda judging lorenzo. why state something that "as you say" we all know.
no benefit is gained, the only thing is your rival might benefit from it.
level of stupidity between these TOP PROFESSIONAL's in this week is really beyond me.
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So if Race Direction feels there's no problem with Marc attempting to fix races, I guess other riders can do the same. If many of the riders at the back of the grid take Rossi's side, they can simply let him pass at the start and Rossi could overtake ~15 riders before turn one. 
Hey, it's not in the rulebook that they can't do that.
Hey, it's not in the rulebook that they can't do that.
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Jeez - a bit thin skinned for an 'ex racer' - are you really James Hayden in disguise?
My invite was a genuine one and still stands - and I'm actually quite polite when I step out from behind the keyboard as many who have met me will testify. Let me begin by apologising if I have offended you. If you come on a forum all guns blazing, particularly one as cutthroat as this, don't end up firing blanks.
Actually, the Go-Pro quip was nothing more than that...but now you mention it, I may very well use it now to 'see myself on track', because firstly; I'd like to dissect and tear my riding apart to 'see' where I can improve it's a great tool employed by all the race schools I've visited for precisely that purpose as opposed to mere vanity. Tell you what, supposed narcissism aside, I'll upload it here and I'd welcome your feedback and invite your criticism...because, secondly, clearly I won't be 'seeing you'. Shame.
Coming around to your point of view on MM's actions, Stoner's tweets, and Jorge's post race statements.
First off, Rossi's statement on Thursday was crazy. You can't tank a race you win, and I have never heard it said that a non-contender should refrain from winning a late season race; it certainly was not said by Jorge after that same race. I also don't think MM is smart enough to be as Machiavellian as Valentino posited in any case, and while I don't resile from my previous conclusion that MM is not uncrazy himself, he sounded genuinely bewildered by Rossi's Thursday outburst, which Rossi has been quoted on this thread as repeating after the race, reputedly referring to MM's "dirty games" at PI. I agree he would have done better, whatever his motives, to have just tried to stay with Rossi and pass him later in the race, always supposing (another one of those supposition things) that he was capable of doing so.
Stoner doubtless feels justified about his attitude post Laguna Seca 2008, which basically was I think that Rossi would do almost anything to win a championship and could do so because the rules were not the same for him. The reckless vs deliberate thing doesn't I agree make much sense, but being entirely consistent in his statements was never one of Stoner's leading characteristics.
Jorge should have made a dignified no comment, but as I have argued in another post was in the position post race post race from his point of view of needing to beat Valentino by 7 points at Valencia if Valentino has gained a place by illegal means rather than possibly 4 otherwise.
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While you are at it could you also post a copy of any recent IQ test results you may have handy....just want to keep check on how many MENSA members have joined powerslide in the past 24 hours.
no, because it was obvious that marquez was looking for an "only one of us walks away" situation, at a time in the championship where he himself was allready out of the equation, and with only one of the two guys with a chance at the title.
forget for one second that rossi was involved...
a guy with no chance whatsoever to get the title, intentionally (and come on, be honest to yourself, marquez was faster over the whole weekend, and all of a sudden when rossi is behind him he loses his ability to race or his setup suddenly isn´t right?) srewing with one of two guys that actually have a chance...even if there is nothing to say by the rules (what should they do, wave the blue flag at marquez?), it is not correct, and in no way good sportmanship.
edit: just again to make it clear...my first reaction was, as "understandable" as rossi´s reaction was, he should be disqualified, because you can´t just push some1 off the track. but if some1 screws with you like marquez did, under these circumstances, it would have been too harsh of an decision.
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Sure, take back that prick Troy Bayliss's win in 2006.
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I can't believe this is still being talked about...hahhahaha...
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Genuinely laughing here. Its been a busy day on Powi, much needed levity.While you are at it could you also post a copy of any recent IQ test results you may have handy....just want to keep check on how many MENSA members have joined powerslide in the past 24 hours.
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM DORNA
Should any rider that doesn't have a rats ... chance of winning the championship have a big enough ego that they should be allowed to decide who wins the championship on their own, we fully support and approve in our official capacity for you to sandbag a race and harass or crash any rider you see fit.
Please understand as our aging savior VR is reaching his elder age for MotoGP, we are shifting all our resources behind the classless ...... MM, who has ridden so badly this year that he's no longer even remotely close to winning the points race. We would like to take this moment to appologize to Honda for allowing the other competitors to finally get seamless gearboxes thus forcing your riders to actually compete fairly. It is important to us to get viewers to see our new young savior MM as the victim in this and all future scenarios until he also becomes so aged that we must move on to a younger less talented ..... we can get to be our poster child so we don't go under after our aged riders retire, rinse, and repeat.
-Dorna
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ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ANY RIDER THAT THINKS THEY CAN WIN THE MOTOGP CHAMPIONSHIP
If your not riding a Repsol Honda your not qualified, we have issued Dorna a directive to penalize anyone trying to run their own race without our approval. Should any rider be foolish enough to attempt to win the MotoGP Championship that is NOT on a Repsol Honda, we hereby authorize, support, and provide good marketing for any rider that is completely numerically incapable of winning the championship to harass, bump, grind, and crash any and all numerically competitive riders leading the MotoGP championship, unless said rider is riding a Repsol Honda. We will have to accept JL as the new 2015 Champion, but for now we will expect Dorna to provide at least two more championships to our Repsol Honda team in the near future.
-Honda.
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ALL FANS
MotoGP is penalizing a rider that is leading the championship for getting frustrated and annoyed by another rider that was proven by lap times, telemetry, and behavior that instead of riding to his best ability to pursue the race win, choose to harass another rider in the points race for the championship, in fact, the leader of the points in the championship. Should the other 20+ riders on the grid ever hope to win a championship, please take justice in your hands and imagine being the points leader, and what you would do to a little classless ....... that was doing this to you with only 1 more race in the season. Please take the 20+ laps at Valencia to dispense "Rider Justice" on said classless .......
-Annonymous Fan
Should any rider that doesn't have a rats ... chance of winning the championship have a big enough ego that they should be allowed to decide who wins the championship on their own, we fully support and approve in our official capacity for you to sandbag a race and harass or crash any rider you see fit.
Please understand as our aging savior VR is reaching his elder age for MotoGP, we are shifting all our resources behind the classless ...... MM, who has ridden so badly this year that he's no longer even remotely close to winning the points race. We would like to take this moment to appologize to Honda for allowing the other competitors to finally get seamless gearboxes thus forcing your riders to actually compete fairly. It is important to us to get viewers to see our new young savior MM as the victim in this and all future scenarios until he also becomes so aged that we must move on to a younger less talented ..... we can get to be our poster child so we don't go under after our aged riders retire, rinse, and repeat.
-Dorna
MotoGP
ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ANY RIDER THAT THINKS THEY CAN WIN THE MOTOGP CHAMPIONSHIP
If your not riding a Repsol Honda your not qualified, we have issued Dorna a directive to penalize anyone trying to run their own race without our approval. Should any rider be foolish enough to attempt to win the MotoGP Championship that is NOT on a Repsol Honda, we hereby authorize, support, and provide good marketing for any rider that is completely numerically incapable of winning the championship to harass, bump, grind, and crash any and all numerically competitive riders leading the MotoGP championship, unless said rider is riding a Repsol Honda. We will have to accept JL as the new 2015 Champion, but for now we will expect Dorna to provide at least two more championships to our Repsol Honda team in the near future.
-Honda.
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ALL FANS
MotoGP is penalizing a rider that is leading the championship for getting frustrated and annoyed by another rider that was proven by lap times, telemetry, and behavior that instead of riding to his best ability to pursue the race win, choose to harass another rider in the points race for the championship, in fact, the leader of the points in the championship. Should the other 20+ riders on the grid ever hope to win a championship, please take justice in your hands and imagine being the points leader, and what you would do to a little classless ....... that was doing this to you with only 1 more race in the season. Please take the 20+ laps at Valencia to dispense "Rider Justice" on said classless .......
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Not quite ……………… but good try.
Yes MM does ‘seem’ to accelerate but you are overlooking that it would also seem as though Rossi had ‘rolled off’ the throttle more excessively than he normally would through that corner.
Thus MM is accelerating at the usual rate to drive out the other side and is met with a bike being deliberately slowed on his line at a point of track where you would be accelerating. Thus he carries more speed and yes it looks as though he drives straight into VR where in essence, he actually had nowhere to go given the circumstances
I believe or seem to recall reading that season 2016 onwards will contain riders only approved by Rossi and whom have signed a contract stating that if VR wishes to go past they will allow it within 3 corners with failure to do so meaning that they will be relegated to riding the Ioda
I recalled one from the smaller classes but could not remember rider so didn’t mention it but that would be it
Wrong.
The yellow was displayed for Ianonne who slowed in the background and was not displayed when VR and JL past the flag point
Two ways to know this.
It has been reported elsewhere in many areas but the telling one, VR did not complain and nor did his team lodge a protest ……………. And they would have.
Read above – been covered already
Absolutely and despite what many are saying (not suggesting you here), it is not against the written rules of the sport to do so.
I would suggest that even though he hit the deck, MM won that battle and clearly is causing VR a level of discomfort such that VR is concentrating more on MM than perhaps his own race
Now show me in the rule book where it states that this cannot be done?
Now, show me articles suggesting that VR was a .... for doing similar throughout his ‘entertaining’ phase ………………… all good, you won’t find that claim but instead you will find people lauding VR’s concern for the entertainment
Yes, this late in the year MM may impact the World Championship, just as Rossi in years past who may have caused a rider to crash or be overtaken, thus costing that rider points which would or could have affected their place in the final standings.
ALL ‘play’ with a rider has championship implication no matter when it occurs or where, it just seems the critical point is whom is doing the ‘playing’ is the difference between fair and foul
Correct he does not have tio ‘ridet hrough him’ but at the same time he has the right to NOT expect the other rider to slow down so extremely as was done whilst continuiung to have that rider take the racing line
Where the impact occurs MM is accelerating BECAUSE that is a normal acceleration point of the track. VR is NOT accelerating in a manner he would have done on other laps and thus the impact occurs.
This is a race and riders, even those who despise the other have the right to expect that the rider they are competing against will not SLOW dramatically on race line short of a mechanical issue.
A block pass was not what happened yesterday
A block pass was VR on MM at MG the week before where Rossi got in front and parked his bike there. Watch those again and you will see that Rossi accelerates as soon as possible when in front at MG, he did NOT yesterday.
So Rossi himself admits that he slowed to 'near a stop' whilst on a racing line and there are some stating that MM rode into Rossi ................. sorry 'fans', here is your reason ....... Rossi slowed to nearly a stop.
Maybe not, but Rossi is stating that riders should not battle with him when they should not be there (in his opinion) because they may be faster (or slower)
He was NOT critical of Ianonne getting in his way at PI 9sorry to bring up PI and no I do not live there ……….. Penguins are scarey critters) but was likely more stuffed by Ianonne that MM. Why is he not critical …. Think of the common denominator)
Being fair to CS here JP (I personally think he should have left it at the first or second tweet), he has been critical of MM's antics in the past and was scathing of him in the Willarott incident
The tweets refer to the one incident specifically so I can accept that he did not mention prior issue but as mentioned, personally I would have preferred that he back it up a bit and be on the higher ground so to speak
But at least we know that he has mobile coverage wherever he is fishing at the moment
It is NOT dirty sportsmanship
It may not be ‘sporting’ but it is not dirty although all around it only seems to be ‘dirty’ because of whom was on the receiving end
Marquez broke no written rules …………….. Rossi did and in this world he had no right to take action into his own hands ……….. two wrongs do not make a right
And I suspect Baff, you never looked back and over you left shoulder whilst going through a double right.
Well Rossi's antics have given this forum a boost, what with all the new members.
I wonder if they have come from one of those ‘excellent unbiased forums’ mentioned on around page 21.
........ comment by JL
Best thing he could have done is shutup, smile and accept what happened. Although he was bought into the argument by Rossi with the accusations but still, time and place
So if Race Direction feels there's no problem with Marc attempting to fix races, I guess other riders can do the same. If many of the riders at the back of the grid take Rossi's side, they can simply let him pass at the start and Rossi could overtake ~15 riders before turn one.
Absolutely and I fully expect that many will make it easy for Rossi
But will it be race fixing if they do?
Of course to some it will not …………… that old 2 wrongs making a right thing is in play again
The issue you and many seem to have relates to the written rules and the fact remains that VR acted in a manner that contravened the written rule where MM has not (in these instances) contravened a written rule. Of course, there may well be unwritten rules that he has crossed and quite simply, whilst all the allegations are out there I say prove it beyond doubt that he is riding back there to ‘f*ck’ with Rossi as you will not be able to prove it.
There may be circumstantial or anecdotal evidence but that does not stack up in the courts, you need good hard evidence and effectively there is none, just suspicion.
Just remember that 1 rider broke a written rule (and some could say that he pre-empted it with a personal attack throughout the week) where the other rider is suspected of playing outside the unwritten rules of sportsmanship
Just for interest, what is your take on the old Spanish and Italian mafia days of years gone past, or WSBK a few years ago where riders of a set nationality teamed up to help others and so on?
So you believe that two wrongs can make a right?
Hey here is an idea, what say next year we get Gibber back and have him punt Rossi as retribution for Jerez.
What of all the others over the years who feel aggrieved …………. Is it now ok to take physical retribution for a non-physical act?
But all good, I am sure that we can implement a system that as each rider is mathematically not able to win the championship we shall tell them not to turn up and complete their seasons. Sounds fair.
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