MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

moto vudu said:

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Take another look at that and watch Rossi's front forks. Rossi was releasing the brakes before Marc ran into him. You can clearly see Rossi's forks are compressed, then they decompress as Rossi releases the brakes and Marc runs into him. I'm not sure it was Rossi that initiated the contact. Looks like Marc may have gunned it into Rossi.

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LOL You will never justify what rossi did, you NEVER look back when you are 'racing' especially when you are making a pass.

Is it worth reading the next 20 pages, or is it just a legion of boppers trying to justify rossi's actions?

rossi as been doing this for years, he has just finally been caught out.

I cant wait for the day all the yellow ..... off from the stands

JPSLotus said:

I look at it from this perspective.

If I was in MM's shoes, after that press conference Thursday, I would have damn sure stayed away from Valentino in the race just because it was obvious he looked and was acting like a deranged lunatic. If he wasn't sure then, he should have been sure after the talk with the Italian media that Rossi seriously believed the .... coming out of his mouth.

The approach I would have taken if I felt I could not keep pace with Dani would have been to follow Rossi to see if an overtake would have stuck would be possible, and if not, wait till later in the race, if not the final lap to overtake VR and make it stick. I wouldn't battle it out with a guy who thinks I was conspiring with someone else to ruin his title battle because rational thought is not going to win the day here. I don't believe in getting put into situations that are not going to have a good outcome, it's about managing situations.

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I agree, I don't buy MM battling for third like that with 3 laps into the race!! We are not talking about a rider that has never been on the podium.
He said he did not fight Lorenzo because he was waiting for his tyres to warm up but apparently they were good enough to battle VR. I would have stayed behind VR and wait for the tyre to warm up if that was the reason...

So Jum, I suppose all this is Dorna's doing? The sport is rigged, remote-controlled, right? What will they do with all those cans of yellow smoke in Valencia now? :unsure:

Baffy said:

LOL You will never justify what rossi did, you NEVER look back when you are 'racing' especially when you are making a pass.

Is it worth reading the next 20 pages, or is it just a legion of boppers trying to justify rossi's actions?

rossi as been doing this for years, he has just finally been caught out.

I cant wait for the day all the yellow ..... off from the stands

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You never look back? VR does that all the time and did it also the lap before...

Jumkie said:

JP brotha from anotha motha, was Casey Stoner's opinion self-serving? And the better question, is he correct?

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Yes I do think Casey's was self-serving as well and you know I love Casey.

.... I was gleeful over his tweets.

I do think he is correct with the exception of this one tweet...

There is a Massive difference between reckless riding and intentionally taking someone out.

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I disagree with that because both incidents put the rider at risk. But he was also excusing MM's past behavior with that tweet.

I don't disagree with the premise of what Lorenzo said, I just feel a bit uncomfortable with it coming from him because he is in the middle of the title battle and has a huge stake in it. Yeah that may not be much of a reason really for most, but why insert yourself into something that has to do with your own team? Battle lines could get drawn and then create another .... environment in the team. Who needs that?

Mais8 said:

The more I see the replay the more I am convinced it was not Rossi's knee on MM helmet to knock him down. It is impossible to knock a MotoGP down that way, not even if you hit the bike. The body position of MM on the bike is weird, he lost the front before making contact, look at the movement of his wheel, and then he opens the throttle way too soo if he intended to make the turn...unless he wanted to overtake on the outside...

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My oppinion also.
Marquez wanted to make ballet with a raging, out of his mind, very-very experienced bulldog. Got bitten. His mistake is getting close to an obviously out of his mind guy. Anyway, the one to pay is definitely the bulldog. You just don't make such theater on the track.

Jumkie said:

Taking another rider wide unexpectedly by controlling an object into a path requiring the victim to take evasive action, resulting in a dangerous outcome like a crash, IS using a machine as a deadly weapon. You just disagreed, but then only attempted to explain an opinion WHY perhaps Rossi did this.

You will get to see the race you say you want at Valencia. Race Dornaection has rigged it to happen. The correct decisions would have been a black flag disqualification. Rossi ruined the race, we can thank Race Dornaection for preserving said race at Valencia.
I'll quote my a text I got from Rog, "the 'punishment' has be used as a tool to promote Valencia."

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Thing for me, is even if VR gets the back of the grid thing rescinded for Valencia, the whole thing is tainted now no matter what. Even if he wins, I would consider it to be a joke of a title.

Regarding the line, we have seen it for years that guys take riders wide all the time. I mean .... look at Doohan on Criville at Jerez in 1996. He did the same thing in the final corner, stuffed up the inside, forced Criville wide, which in turn caused him to panic and open up the throttle too early to try and make up for it resulting in a high side. All the top riders force guys wide when overtaking, it makes it much more likely for the overtake to stick in that moment when your opponent has to back off.

Jumkie said:

The lunacy that Rossi and Lorenzo should exclusive race only each other on the track is quite stunning. Perhaps all the other riders should just pull over at Valencia since they are not involved in the title chase. The world has gone mad.

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no, but not even trying to catch up again to lorenzo but battling the .... out of rossi, with intentionally risking one or both of them flying off into the dirt, is dirty sportmanship as well.

no one would have a problem with this kind racing if it would have happened between lorenzo and rossi. they had similar speeds and it would have been expected.

BUT, marquez went all in on only one of two guys that had a chance on the title, without himself having anything to lose...and that is the dirty part about it. if he would have fought for some turns, tried some counters, but than - realizing he could only beat rossi when going full berzerk mode - he should have tried to keep up with him, and at the end (last 5 laps), if he still would have been in striking range, he could again have tried to attack.

i think in every racing series there is a thing called "Gentleman Agreement"...marquez definitely didn´t stick to it today. he interfered in a way that made it look like he tries to hinder one guy...

and again, looking only at that single incident, yes, rossi should have been disqualified, but looking at the whole picture...rossi is guilty of "the foul", but marquez played a very dirty game, literally forcing a reaction. rossi was, sadly, emotional (or "stupid") enough to fall for it...

An image that I found very resounding was Rossi pre race, crouching eyes closed next to his M1, the straw on the water bottle in his hand quivering like a divining rod.

Pure adrenaline, pure tension and for me - and I may be wrong, the first time that I've seen him involuntarily betray anxiety.

Mais8 said:

You never look back? VR does that all the time and did it also the lap before...

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Well I cant speak for him, but In all my years of racing bikes the only time I have ever looked behind me was to make sure no one was catching me.

Certainly wasn't mid corner, or whilst I was overtaking someone

If you follow the way the race transpired, as soon as Lorenzo got by Rossi and was behind Marquez and Marquez went by the front straight and got the info from his pitbboard that Lorenzo was behind him he slowed and went wide to let Lorenzo through and then engaged Rossi till Lorenzo had put some time ahead. It's really interesting that as soon as the pit board info was given Marquez dropped almost 1 sec off the pace almost immediately. Marquez was second fastest and was only 3/1000 off of pole and led the morning warmup right out of the gate and had the pace to fight Dani for the lead. I've watched the beginning of the race 4 times since last night and I have never seen Marquez do that, my girlfriend who is a completely objective viewer said "what is that guy doing! Why did he slow down and let that guy through and then kept slowing as soon as he got in front of #46"

MdubSTYLIE said:

He raced harder than Danny Kent. Suck it Brits!

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Oh Dubby...and we've always got along so well you and I - don't ruin it now.

Instead, watch PI and Aragon again. Today, Danny's bike lacked the necessary grunt, but I do feel that he should have nailed it nonetheless - moreover, qualifying was a surprisingly amateurish sham given the calibre of Keifer and rider and like Indy, mistakes were made and Danny has become uncharacteristically flustered.

What is refreshing though is that Danny admitted post race to succumbing to the pressure this weekend, that he found himself in an unfamiliar situation as WC elect and chose not to blame anyone other than himself or look for excuses. He was even magnanimous about the whole Bagnaia/Antonelli situation having reviewed the footage. Quite refreshing given the circumstances engulfing the paddock over the last few weeks.

Suck it? - Come Valencia I shall be relishing it.

Opinions are like ........ but video doesn't lie and no matter how you slice it, Marquez was out for some reason to screw with Rossi. And clearly he was the one who hit Rossi and locked his brake lever and crashed when his arm hit Rossi's leg, all you need is decent eyesight and the ability to be objective.

Either way, Dorna benefits, Valencia is already sold out and viewing numbers should break all records, I myself can't wait for the race!

I like all the riders, and being a racer myself i have seen this at the club level many times when a friend is helping another one trying to win.

Samaz1 said:

Opinions are like ........ but video doesn't lie and no matter how you slice it, Marquez was out for some reason to screw with Rossi. And clearly he was the one who hit Rossi and locked his brake lever and crashed when his arm hit Rossi's leg, all you need is decent eyesight and the ability to be objective.

Either way, Dorna benefits, Valencia is already sold out and viewing numbers should break all records, I myself can't wait for the race!

I like all the riders, and being a racer myself i have seen this at the club level many times when a friend is helping another one trying to win.

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Dorna is ......, what's the point of watching valencia...again? If MM had had a ounce of class he'd have run his own race. His lap times were well within range of Dani and JL, that's where he should have been racing. Had this race finished Dani, MM, JL, VR, or MM, Dani, JL, and VR, Valencia would be an awesome race.

However, a classless a$$hole just ...... the series, Dorna, VR, JL, MM fans and the POINTS leader by playing games because he thinks he deserves to be in the fight but is completely irrelevant in the points. Can you get a bigger ego than that.

I hope and pray every rider on the grid pulls aside in valencia and lets rossi go by unless they are in the points race. We know the classless loosers that are NOT in the points race at honda will not, but regardless Honda, just gave Yamaha the championship a race early, Jorge is the 2015 champ, and no need to watch the race, as it's not going to be a race.

I guess the MM fans can hope MM will drive his bike into VR one more time, see their hero get ..... slapped by the GOAT again. If you can't win, drive your honda into the nearest champ. Honda's new motto.

I can't wait until MM is leading the points again going into the last half of the year, and another little classless ..... that is 5th in the points crashes him out, repeatedly. MM fans will just say that's racing and move on right? HAHAHHA.

Karma's a ..... and MM just ...... karma in the a$$. I would watch Dorna again just to see every rider in the field go at MM like he just did, every year so he never gets another title...that would be justice, imho.

Jumkie said:

We had a RACE today, Rossi stopped it be using his machine as a deadly weapon. The fact you fail to see there was a RACE while lamenting you were cheated of a race is mind-boggling. You and others are arguing that this race should only be conducted by Rossi vs Lorenzo. But there are 20 other contestants, Rossi chose NOT TO RACE!

Rossi CHOSE not to RACE!

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I don't know what you mean by "chose not to race." Dirty racing has been a part of the sport since... always. I remember in my early days on PS my speaking out against this kind of thing, and being besieged by all the macho guys talking about how, it ain't racing without a bit of fairing banging, or trading paint. Simoncelli was a dirty racer - but never was in contention in the Premier class - so it wasn't such a big issue.

All due respect; Rossi simply lost his cool. He either thought he'd call MM's bluff or cause him to crash, expecting everyone would blame the impetuous MM for repeating behavior he's indulged in before, allowing Rossi to get away with it. Rossi had no strategy, felt his time and luck were running out and made a desperate move. The old man ran out of smarts. His mind games backfired and he just couldn't cope with the results. He had senior moment, a "Hey kid, get off my lawn" moment.

I think when everybody cools down - they'll realize that the reason we're all so upset, is because Rossi really ...... up the finale to what has been a too-good-to-be-true season. It's all going to be anticlimax from here on in. Makes me angry.

i havent read previous posts cuz it went from 18 pages into 80!!!

ive seen rossi do some shady shiit before, but ive never been this disappointed, to extend of loosing respect.

said these in the very early pages that i dont get his press conference cuz it was stupid and no good can come out of it. he saw the result.

and i did say i expect something moronic from him(or iannone) during race, but that was not moronic.

that was just so DUMB i cant even find a word for it.MM was not faster i wont accept that it was a normal race from MM for one second(which justify rossi's pr) but im disappointing at the guy who is suppose to be smart to first say those stuff(showing his hand),and then to do THAT. when he stopped to hit MM at that corner he shouldve known he is loosing 2 3 s to JL, (so pretty much gave up the race), but why o why, it was very obvious with the way MM was riding he was gonna crash(like silverstone,..) MM did enough to make rossi crash but he escaped(we even see him sit up a couple of time) , but why the fk didnt he fight of a few more corners, that way he might actually have shot at JL too. the master just became the ..... to me tbh.

ps, that end of a grid start is gonna go away probably.

Mais8 said:

I would have stayed behind VR and wait for the tyre to warm up if that was the reason...

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Assuming you could get anywhere close or have any clue what it takes to ride one of these things.

But wait, you did say this to Propagandhi...

Mais8 said:

...not going to answer someone who never raced

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What the .... has that got to do with anything? - Have you listened to the ..... spouted by the likes of Huewen and Parish for the best part of two decades or more?

Nonetheless, delighted to have another keyboard racer sign up to this forum - are you a member of Mensa too by any chance?

There are some genuine racers here too...stick around, I'm sure they'd be delighted to talk.

Incidentally, I'm at Donington on Friday...my back yard. There are still places and it's on me. I'm always looking for tips and tuition. The last 'ex-racer' I made the offer to regretfully declined a similar invitation.

just for the laughs...

"Run his own race" now means: don't overtake Rossi.

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