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How was it that Lorenzo caught and passed Rossi when he was 6th or worse at one stage on the first lap.

Haha, I'm sorry, did i miss the part where the Ducatis were competitive today? He passed Rossi, yes. But it's more than logical to think that Rossi wasn't overly concerned with getting directly back at Lorenzo. It was a long race yet to go when Lorenzo passed. I'm sure he was happy to trail for a while.

Again, it's debatable, but unknown if MM let JL by, but that wasn't exactly a hard fought pass was it?
 
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Mike Webb:

“Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides.

“Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules.

“Valentino reacted to what he saw as provocation from Marquez and unfortunately his reaction was a manoeuvre that was against the rules. It's irresponsible riding causing a crash. We believe the contact was deliberate. He says he did not want Marquez to crash, but he did want to run him wide.”

No decision was taken during the actual race as Webb said he wanted to speak to both riders and watch the video replays at length.

Asked about Rossi appearing to kick-out at Marquez, causing the fall, the New Zealander replied:

“Rossi's evidence is that his foot came off the foot-peg as a result of the contact. From all the video evidence there is no clear shot that definitely shows that his foot slipped off the foot-peg because of contact or that he deliberately kicked. I don't have that as a 'smoking gun' if you like.”


Neither Rossi fanboys nor Rossi haters will be happy with Webb's words, and just because of that I think this is the most objective (and obviously also the best informed) take on this episode.

Full interview on Crash.net
 
The absurdity continues to unprecedented perversion. Marc did nothing outside the rules of racing nor the spirit, and only the accusations levied by a mental meltdiwn whining "mind-game" Rossi has given incredible traction to this notion that nobody else has a right to race him. Marquez has every right to negotiate and conduct the race distance as he saw fit to manage. Rossi did not have to attempt to tangle with him and could have been patient as Marquez ' s early race issues stabilized. Its obvious Marc had difficulty matching the early pace of Pedrosa. This is not a crime. Rossi and by extension his Yellow hordes are convinced Marquez had ill intention, and this false belief drove Rossi to an unprecedented act of violence, explicitly outside the rules of racing. Fact. Nothing here can logically argue against this fact. Racing your immediate rival on the track has now become a perversion of mind-reading, not only by the Yellow fandom but even by the office tasked to be impartial and maintain safety. This has had the practical effect that when two riders are tangling, if one of them thinks the other has dubious intention (this is all that is required) then the rider can PERPETRATE AN ACT OF DELIBERATE ASSAULT AND BATTERY. The perverted standard has now been reenforced, Rossi is above the law because the overwhelming popular opinion is: Marc deserved retaliation for something not only imagined but within the complete rules of the sport, thrice explicitly, implicitly, and actually.


The sport has been damaged because of it Doctored popularity!

Can't argue that it wasn't deliberate nastiness on the part of Vale. Can't deny that he brought it on himself. He's looked the last few days like he's been suffering from the beginnings of dementia. That said, while it's true MM did not technically break any rules, his permitting Lorenzo to breeze by and then harassing Rossi like a mindless gnat - was not what one would call sportsmanlike. He was foolish to take the bait, but then we all knew how immature he still is and there was no question that he would go after Rossi. From a pure sports perspective, his behavior was unethical. He should have just run his own race. While it was sure as hell entertaining as .... for us as spectators, I'm sure the elders in the Honda garage were aghast. It was bound to end in tears, not to mention fewer points in the constructor's championship for HRC.

Ironic for me, as I was putting all my past (and well documented) dislike for Rossi aside and rooting for the old ....... to get his 10th, this incident brings it all back.

So many other well-known riders have weighed in. But the one I'm waiting to hear from is STONER! :p Whatever he says will be the cherry on the icing. :D
 
The bit about Lorenzo seems to be going unnoticed.

I lost a bit of respect for him carrying on because it's self-serving as ..... He should have taken Dani's tact and just kept his thoughts short and simple. Calling for a race ban or DQ when you will benefit immensely from either scenario doesn't sit well with me.

Truthfully, were I in his spot, I'd rather have Rossi out there because beating him in a straight race would be far more satisfying than winning the title because of a last place grid spot start.

Winning is winning...but being able to drive a stake through an opponent's heart in the process is even better. Just me though.
What Rossi did should absolutely require a disqualification and race ban. Your point is Lorenzo should not voice this because it's self serving? What then about personal integrity? He should not voice it because he stands to benefit from such a rightful, necessary, and correct consequence that Race Direction FAILED to issue?
 
I found this.. Figure some will sign, some (like me) will laugh and some will cuss.

https://www.change.org/p/motogp-rac...ish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg

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Can't argue that it wasn't deliberate nastiness on the part of Vale. Can't deny that he brought it on himself. He's looked the last few days like he's been suffering from the beginnings of dementia. That said, while it's true MM did not technically break any rules, his permitting Lorenzo to breeze by and then harassing Rossi like a mindless gnat - was not what one would call sportsmanlike. He was foolish to take the bait, but then we all knew how immature he still is and there was no question that he would go after Rossi. From a pure sports perspective, his behavior was unethical. He should have just run his own race. While it was sure as hell entertaining as .... for us as spectators, I'm sure the elders in the Honda garage were aghast. It was bound to end in tears, not to mention fewer points in the constructor's championship for HRC.

Ironic for me, as I was putting all my past (and well documented) dislike for Rossi aside and rooting for the old ....... to get his 10th, this incident brings it all back.

So many other well-known riders have weighed in. But the one I'm waiting to hear from is STONER! :p Whatever he says will be the cherry on the icing. :D

Casey spoke...

Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27 10h10 hours ago

This is where the the FIM need to make the correct decision...

Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27 8h8 hours ago

If anyone else had done what Valentino did we would have been black flagged immediately, no questions asked.

Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27 8h8 hours ago

There is a Massive difference between reckless riding and intentionally taking someone out.

Then he retweeted this...

Casey Stoner Retweeted
Carl Fogarty ‏@carlfogarty 9h9 hours ago

Think if It was any other rider they would of been disqualified from the race for sure... #justsaying #MotoGP

We know where he stands now.
 
Can't argue that it wasn't deliberate nastiness on the part of Vale. Can't deny that he brought it on himself. He's looked the last few days like he's been suffering from the beginnings of dementia. That said, while it's true MM did not technically break any rules, his permitting Lorenzo to breeze by and then harassing Rossi like a mindless gnat - was not what one would call sportsmanlike. He was foolish to take the bait, but then we all knew how immature he still is and there was no question that he would go after Rossi. From a pure sports perspective, his behavior was unethical. He should have just run his own race. While it was sure as hell entertaining as .... for us as spectators, I'm sure the elders in the Honda garage were aghast. It was bound to end in tears, not to mention fewer points in the constructor's championship for HRC.

Ironic for me, as I was putting all my past (and well documented) dislike for Rossi aside and rooting for the old ....... to get his 10th, this incident brings it all back.

So many other well-known riders have weighed in. But the one I'm waiting to hear from is STONER! :p Whatever he says will be the cherry on the icing. :D

Not like us to agree Kesh, but we are coming from the same page dude
 
I do like how this thing has brought out all of the rabid Rossi fanboys in full force.

All we need to make this thing complete is a Mark David Chapman moment at Valencia.

I seriously believe there are some who are probably plotting out a way to kill Marc Marquez in 2 weeks.
Too soon.:p
 

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The lunacy that Rossi and Lorenzo should exclusive race only each other on the track is quite stunning. Perhaps all the other riders should just pull over at Valencia since they are not involved in the title chase. The world has gone mad.
 
Haha, I'm sorry, did i miss the part where the Ducatis were competitive today? He passed Rossi, yes. But it's more than logical to think that Rossi wasn't overly concerned with getting directly back at Lorenzo. It was a long race yet to go when Lorenzo passed. I'm sure he was happy to trail for a while.

Again, it's debatable, but unknown if MM let JL by, but that wasn't exactly a hard fought pass was it?

A whole chain of supposition, starting as Jumkie says from Rossi's outlandish contention that MM had tanked a race at PI which he actually won. If he let Lorenzo past because he thought he could catch him later then he took the risk of becoming tangled up with other riders.
 
I guess no one believes this statement? I think at a time like this its as genuine as you're going to find.

Rossi - "I just wanted to make him lose time, go outside of the line and slow down, because he was playing his dirty game, even worse than in Australia. When I went wide and slowed down to nearly a stop, I looked at him as if to say 'what are you doing?'.
 
What Rossi did should absolutely require a disqualification and race ban. Your point is Lorenzo should not voice this because it's self serving? What then about personal integrity? He should not voice it because he stands to benefit from such a rightful, necessary, and correct consequence that Race Direction FAILED to issue?

I guess I just look at it in the light that his opinion is going to be highly prejudiced right now because of where we are at with the championship. I've already seen a guy voice a self-serving opinion once with regards to a title battle, and affect the outcome with his appeal to higher authorities.

What I'd really like to see is the telemetry...I think there'd be a lot of insights to be gained from MM's. I dunno dude, I guess I keep thinking back to earlier this year when MM was livid over his clashes with VR, and I keep wondering if that was still in his head or influenced decisions he made. Granted at the same time, VR slowing was just...bad...I couldn't understand that either.
 
I guess no one believes this statement? I think at a time like this its as genuine as you're going to find.

Rossi - "I just wanted to make him lose time, go outside of the line and slow down, because he was playing his dirty game, even worse than in Australia. When I went wide and slowed down to nearly a stop, I looked at him as if to say 'what are you doing?'.

You and Rossi don't recall MM actually winning the PI race?
 
A whole chain of supposition, starting as Jumkie says from Rossi's outlandish contention that MM had tanked a race at PI which he actually won. If he let Lorenzo past because he thought he could catch him later then he took the risk of becoming tangled up with other riders.

I'm not talking about PI. Nor did i ever say Rossi let Lorenzo pass.

If you want to talk about it, that's fine. But you're just clouding the conversation and i misrepresenting, i'm not interested in that conversation.
 
The lunacy that Rossi and Lorenzo should exclusive race only each other on the track is quite stunning. Perhaps all the other riders should just pull over at Valencia since they are not involved in the title chase. The world has gone mad.

I will be honest, I'm actually really disappointed by what happened today because I was hoping for this to be a good race that would see the title battle go forward to Valencia. That to me would have been such a fantastic way to cap off the season regardless of the outcome involved with the title winner.

Now...that appears to be gone barring a Dorna intervention. I wanted to see Rossi lose the title on the track at Valencia in a good clean race, nothing more as it would have been a good note for the season to end on much like 2006.
 
You and Rossi don't recall MM actually winning the PI race?

Do you live on Phillips Island, or something :p

Forget about PI, i'm asking about the portions of his quote that pertain to today's race.
 
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