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it seems to me that after rossi press conference on thursday that every thing he said happened in this race marquez seem to let lorenzo through now the honda had the pace to win this race with pedrosa so marquez should have at least to be fighting for 2nd with lorenzo not battling it out for third with rossi he said him self in his press conference that he had the pace to catch 2nd when battling rossi why did he not do that with lorenzo when he went past mike webb also says in his statement that even though marquez did not touch rossi [ sorry but that is wrong his head touches rossi just before rossi knee comes out] webb goes on to say that marquez is partilly to blame so why no penalty to him and the final nail in this coffin is lorenzo who should not even be in the room where stewards are talking about the incident it did not involve him having a childs tantrum that rossi did not have points taken from him grow up lorenzo win the champioship fair and square by racing and not throwing your toys out of the pram the only reason you should have been in the room is to recieve your penalty for overtaking on a yellow flag come on mr webb play fair both lorenzo and maquez should have recieved a penalty and if you do not then how can you you give a penalty to rossi play the game fair mr webb moto gp is watched by millions of fans and what could have been a fantastic last race will turn into a traversty lorenzo will win the champioship but i will not be watching it you have lost a loyal fan who use to watch all the races and use to go to silverstone to watch them live sorry but i will go back to watching football
Rossi turned it into a travesty by trying to push Marquez off track blatantly and causing him to crash. It would be even more of a travesty if he wasn't at all punished for what he did.
He may have had the pace to catch second place but he said that he believed he would catch up in the second half and he never got a chance to do that. Lorenzo got an easy pass because Marquez ran it wide and not for the only time today.
 
The only bike that I distinctly recall as being kicked was a Suzuki which was kicked by Hopkins .............. still piss myself laughing at that
Then you need to find Pasini at Catalunya 2007 using his heat seized Aprilia as a trampoline.
 
Yeah..... italy & most of europe was Germany ..... in world war II. Whats your point??

My point is that you live in a fantasy world just like the dude in the picture.
You continue to ignore the FACT that the ‘kick’ came AFTER MM drove his bike into VR’s leg.
 
Sorry Race director did .... all again :D

Got ya.

Hello, all.

I don't have the time or patience to sift through 65 pages of this, so allow me a quick post. My apologies if this is an echo of earlier comments.

To begin, there's no chance Marc Marquez was riding his own race. He let Lorenzo through with relative ease (I was looking for him to wave the 99 by, it was so deliberate) and then ran another corner or two well wide to drag Valentino into the scrap.

Marquez knew what he was doing, in my opinion. Seeing as Marquez had nothing on track to fight for that was worth much of anything, perhaps Valentino should've thought better about picking a fight before the weekend began. There were only two outcomes to this offensive: One, Marquez frets public perception of standing in Rossi's way of another historic world championship and cowers, stepping aside. Or two, Rossi antagonizes Marquez.
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Austin! Welcome back, excellent post sir.
This is the crux of it to me. I believe had Rossi not started this mind games BS on Thursday, we'd have been looking at a different result. Rossi played games and it bit him in the arse

You are a complete ...... It is clear in the video that the leg is raised AFTER MM drives into it.

Look at the white line indicating the edge of the circuit, where's Marquez supposed to go?

And talking of which, Marco Simoncelli - Le Mans 2011, a ride through for being a few centimetres away from one of the greatest moves I'd seen in years with completely clean intent.

Agreed, I mentioned this earlier.

it seems to me that after rossi press conference on thursday that every thing he said happened in this race marquez seem to let lorenzo through now the honda had the pace to win this race with pedrosa so marquez should have at least to be fighting for 2nd with lorenzo not battling it out for third with rossi he said him self in his press conference that he had the pace to catch 2nd when battling rossi why did he not do that with lorenzo when he went past mike webb also says in his statement that even though marquez did not touch rossi [ sorry but that is wrong his head touches rossi just before rossi knee comes out] webb goes on to say that marquez is partilly to blame so why no penalty to him and the final nail in this coffin is lorenzo who should not even be in the room where stewards are talking about the incident it did not involve him having a childs tantrum that rossi did not have points taken from him grow up lorenzo win the champioship fair and square by racing and not throwing your toys out of the pram the only reason you should have been in the room is to recieve your penalty for overtaking on a yellow flag come on mr webb play fair both lorenzo and maquez should have recieved a penalty and if you do not then how can you you give a penalty to rossi play the game fair mr webb moto gp is watched by millions of fans and what could have been a fantastic last race will turn into a traversty lorenzo will win the champioship but i will not be watching it you have lost a loyal fan who use to watch all the races and use to go to silverstone to watch them live sorry but I will go back to watching football

By the sounds of it you won't be missed. Your fanboy Rossi blantantly cheated today and you register here just to post that it was unfair he got penalised and won't be watching again?

It's been shown the yellow was being waved AFTER JL and VR passed it, for AI's breakdown. And why should Marquez be penalised for racing hard? As VR said in 2008 "It's racing Casey" and he stirred the .... with Marquez from Thursday. You throw rocks, don't live in a glass house.

Good riddance.
 
MotoFarssi

If Marquez was black flagged in Philip Island for deliberately subverting the rules, then this was far worse.

Completely agree. Moreover, the infraction at P.I. was on the part of the team not through any ill intent or premeditated transgression by Marquez.
 
not saying that rossi should not receive a penalty but it has been proved that lorenzo overtook on a yellow flag that is a 10 second penalty at least would have put him in third and with rossi at least a few more points in front it would have been a better last race
 
it seems to me that after rossi press conference on thursday that every thing he said happened in this race marquez seem to let lorenzo through now the honda had the pace to win this race with pedrosa so marquez should have at least to be fighting for 2nd with lorenzo not battling it out for third with rossi he said him self in his press conference that he had the pace to catch 2nd when battling rossi why did he not do that with lorenzo when he went past mike webb also says in his statement that even though marquez did not touch rossi [ sorry but that is wrong his head touches rossi just before rossi knee comes out] webb goes on to say that marquez is partilly to blame so why no penalty to him and the final nail in this coffin is lorenzo who should not even be in the room where stewards are talking about the incident it did not involve him having a childs tantrum that rossi did not have points taken from him grow up lorenzo win the champioship fair and square by racing and not throwing your toys out of the pram the only reason you should have been in the room is to recieve your penalty for overtaking on a yellow flag come on mr webb play fair both lorenzo and maquez should have recieved a penalty and if you do not then how can you you give a penalty to rossi play the game fair mr webb moto gp is watched by millions of fans and what could have been a fantastic last race will turn into a traversty lorenzo will win the champioship but i will not be watching it you have lost a loyal fan who use to watch all the races and use to go to silverstone to watch them live sorry but i will go back to watching football

I second that. Dorna favors the ‘golden boy’ Marc.
I am also cancelling my subscription to moto GP. Let’s see what they do when 50% of their income is gone.
 
Race direction hasn't the proof that Rossi kicked Marquez yet everyone on here knows different?

Also, interesting to read that Lorenzo overtook under yellow flags and nothing happened.
 
The absurdity continues to unprecedented perversion. Marc did nothing outside the rules of racing nor the spirit, and only the accusations levied by a mental meltdiwn whining "mind-game" Rossi has given incredible traction to this notion that nobody else has a right to race him. Marquez has every right to negotiate and conduct the race distance as he saw fit to manage. Rossi did not have to attempt to tangle with him and could have been patient as Marquez ' s early race issues stabilized. Its obvious Marc had difficulty matching the early pace of Pedrosa. This is not a crime. Rossi and by extension his Yellow hordes are convinced Marquez had ill intention, and this false belief drove Rossi to an unprecedented act of violence, explicitly outside the rules of racing. Fact. Nothing here can logically argue against this fact. Racing your immediate rival on the track has now become a perversion of mind-reading, not only by the Yellow fandom but even by the office tasked to be impartial and maintain safety. This has had the practical effect that when two riders are tangling, if one of them thinks the other has dubious intention (this is all that is required) then the rider can PERPETRATE AN ACT OF DELIBERATE ASSAULT AND BATTERY. The perverted standard has now been reenforced, Rossi is above the law because the overwhelming popular opinion is: Marc deserved retaliation for something not only imagined but within the complete rules of the sport, thrice explicitly, implicitly, and actually.


The sport has been damaged because of it Doctored popularity!
 
Got ya.



Austin! Welcome back, excellent post sir.
This is the crux of it to me. I believe had Rossi not started this mind games BS on Thursday, we'd have been looking at a different result. Rossi played games and it bit him in the arse



Look at the white line indicating the edge of the circuit, where's Marquez supposed to go?



Agreed, I mentioned this earlier.



By the sounds of it you won't be missed. Your fanboy Rossi blantantly cheated today and you register here just to post that it was unfair he got penalised and won't be watching again?

It's been shown the yellow was being waved AFTER JL and VR passed it, for AI's breakdown. And why should Marquez be penalised for racing hard? As VR said in 2008 "It's racing Casey" and he stirred the .... with Marquez from Thursday. You throw rocks, don't live in a glass house.

Good riddance.

He could have reduced speed and go here?
 

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Hands up,who here thinks 93 deliberately let jorge run away so he could .... with rossi?
Be (woo-) men.
 
The absurdity continues to unprecedented perversion. Marc did nothing outside the rules of racing nor the spirit, and only the accusations levied by a mental meltdiwn whining "mind-game" Rossi has given incredible traction to this notion that nobody else has a right to race him. Marquez has every right to negotiate and conduct the race distance as he saw fit to manage. Rossi did not have to attempt to tangle with him and could have been patient as Marquez ' s early race issues stabilized. Its obvious Marc had difficulty matching the early pace of Pedrosa. This is not a crime. Rossi and by extension his Yellow hordes are convinced Marquez had ill intention, and this false belief drove Rossi to an unprecedented act of violence, explicitly outside the rules of racing. Fact. Nothing here can logically argue against this fact. Racing your immediate rival on the track has now become a perversion of mind-reading, not only by the Yellow fandom but even by the office tasked to be impartial and maintain safety. This has had the practical effect that when two riders are tangling, if one of them thinks the other has dubious intention (this is all that is required) then the rider can PERPETRATE AN ACT OF DELIBERATE ASSAULT AND BATTERY. The perverted standard has now been reenforced, Rossi is above the law because the overwhelming popular opinion is: Marc deserved retaliation for something not only imagined but within the complete rules of the sport, thrice explicitly, implicitly, and actually.


The sport has been damaged because of it Doctored popularity!

:p That train has left the station. Deal with it.
 
What are the MM's & VR's laptimes for Malaysia before his crash?

Anyone have MM's bike telemetry? throttle, brake, etc...Looks to me he tipped in on VR and just rammed him from the outside. As a rider, I can tell you that's a pretty low percentage move on the right side(front brake tends to get hit and down you go).

Thanks.
 
The absurdity continues to unprecedented perversion. Marc did nothing outside the rules of racing nor the spirit, and only the accusations levied by a mental meltdiwn whining "mind-game" Rossi has given incredible traction to this notion that nobody else has a right to race him. Marquez has every right to negotiate and conduct the race distance as he saw fit to manage. Rossi did not have to attempt to tangle with him and could have been patient as Marquez ' s early race issues stabilized. Its obvious Marc had difficulty matching the early pace of Pedrosa. This is not a crime. Rossi and by extension his Yellow hordes are convinced Marquez had ill intention, and this false belief drove Rossi to an unprecedented act of violence, explicitly outside the rules of racing. Fact. Nothing here can logically argue against this fact. Racing your immediate rival on the track has now become a perversion of mind-reading, not only by the Yellow fandom but even by the office tasked to be impartial and maintain safety. This has had the practical effect that when two riders are tangling, if one of them thinks the other has dubious intention (this is all that is required) then the rider can PERPETRATE AN ACT OF DELIBERATE ASSAULT AND BATTERY. The perverted standard has now been reenforced, Rossi is above the law because the overwhelming popular opinion is: Marc deserved retaliation for something not only imagined but within the complete rules of the sport, thrice explicitly, implicitly, and actually.


The sport has been damaged because of it Doctored popularity!

Race direction have said that they can't determine that Rossi kicked Marquez but yet you know different. It's clear for everyone to see that Marquez was keeping pace with Pedrosa and then makes a "mistake", which allows Lorenzo through. Then he loses all pace that he had and starts battling with Rossi like his life depended on it. Race direction came to the same conclusion that he was ....... with Rossi's race on purpose. As Rossi is racing for the championship it's clearly not within the spirit of competition but is certainly within the rules.
 
My point is that you live in a fantasy world just like the dude in the picture.
You continue to ignore the FACT that the ‘kick’ came AFTER MM drove his bike into VR’s leg.

Please, go have your eyes checked. Then watch the race carefully again.
 
Even with your view of the incident (which isn't drastically different from mine), if Rossi didn't intentionally cause Marc to crash... does he still deserve to get hit with 3 penalty points and start from the back of the grid?

Dunno if you ride son, but irrespective of Marc's provocation - replicate VRs reaction at a track day and you'd be hauled off the circuit in a nano-second and very likely find the police arriving to have words in the garage.

And unlike Dylan Grey - they'd tell you to take your sunglasses off.
 
He could have reduced speed and go here?

Yeah, on the marbles you mean? Rossi was going to continue his outward trajectory until MM wnt off the track or fell. Malaysia is 18 metres wide and Rossi barges Marquez off to within 1 metre (by your estimation) while doing probaly 50-70mph. Shoe me the moment in this race or PI where Marquez pushed Rossi to the edge of the track....

Lets see you try and reduce speed when you're on the limit of braking then offline on a racing circuit...it's not as easy as you make out.
 

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