MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

moto vudu said:

But who cares what I think

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propagandhi said:

Hands up,who here thinks 93 deliberately let jorge run away so he could .... with rossi?
Be (woo-) men.

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Evolution said:

Everyone with a brain

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evo9 said:

Assuming he did. Who started the ........ in Thursdays press conference?? When they realized they are no longer racing Sete & Max, where he could get in there head. Ask & he shall receive that how I see it, assuming that was what Marc did. This is you all sheeple 9 times world chump, who left yamaha because he could not beat Jorge on equal footing or with a wall down the middle. Not to mention falling to even win on the Ducati.

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Evolution said:

I am also cancelling my subscription to moto GP.

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ReddiWhip said:

This is a very sad turn of events whether your a Rossi Fan, a Marquez Fan, a Lorenzo Fan, or a MotoGP Fan. The victor this year will not be decided by actual racing, but by rulings. This is completely sad and bad for the sport.

Did Rossi block the racing line YES! YES HE DID! Does that mean that Marquez HAS to open the throttle and ride through him? NO, NO IT DOES!!! What the hell is everyone thinking?

Probably 90% of Marquez's passes are block passes - You all should know how the block pass works, if you don't i'll explain. Now by this logic as set today, every rider that has been blocked passed is entitled to open the throttle and attempt to run into the passing rider/ride through them. This is the new precedent as set today.

Rossi has been punished, so everyone who says he's above the law has been proven wrong. Lorenzo has been handed the championship rather then actually racing to EARN it. I like Lorenzo just fine, but why would he be begging for further punishment making it so he doesn't even have to race??? What ....... .....! He would be happy about being handed a championship while watching from the grand stands? That's what he's asking for. That's not the mark of a champion, i know that.

And what, Marquez is the victim in this? Wow, that's a stretch. Last year, there were several forum member here saying how Marquez is the most dangerous rider of all time and has put lives at risk posting videos and all sorts of evidence to support that statement. Saying today that Rossi's action are egregious, worst ever, are kind of a logic stretch. Rossi slowed up in the racing line and was mildly bumped into by Marquez, who fell. The only thing that the Helicopter footage proves is that Rossi was purposely running wide and slowing. Marquez could've come to a complete stop if he didn't WANT to collide with Rossi. That's not really that hard to comprehend. Is it??? Obviously Marquez was more than happy to make contact and try his hand. He doesn't have anything to lose. Rossi did.

As far as the actual racing goes, here's my thoughts. Whether or not Marquez had a braking issue which let Lorenzo through, no one can say. But what we do know, is that within a very short amount of time, Rossi went from being right behind Lorenzo to 3 seconds behind Lorenzo. Did Rossi's own pace suddenly fall off, no it didn't. Marquez was riding wild lines, executing repeated block passes, and over running ever turn to scrap to slow Rossi. How do we know he slowed Rossi? There's these things called numbers what aren't up for debate. Why would Rossi want to fight with Marquez? He wouldn't. All he would want to do is stick with Lorenzo. Everyone is letting Passion get in the way of common sense.

Again, what we watched today wasn't racing... it's something else, and that's the saddest part of this whole thing.

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JPSLotus said:

I do like how this thing has brought out all of the rabid Rossi fanboys in full force.

All we need to make this thing complete is a Mark David Chapman moment at Valencia.

I seriously believe there are some who are probably plotting out a way to kill Marc Marquez in 2 weeks.

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Evolution said:

I second that. Dorna favors the ‘golden boy’ Marc.
I am also cancelling my subscription to moto GP. Let’s see what they do when 50% of their income is gone.

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Austin said:

Hello, all.

I don't have the time or patience to sift through 65 pages of this, so allow me a quick post. My apologies if this is an echo of earlier comments.

To begin, there's no chance Marc Marquez was riding his own race. He let Lorenzo through with relative ease (I was looking for him to wave the 99 by, it was so deliberate) and then ran another corner or two well wide to drag Valentino into the scrap.

Marquez knew what he was doing, in my opinion. Seeing as Marquez had nothing on track to fight for that was worth much of anything, perhaps Valentino should've thought better about picking a fight before the weekend began. There were only two outcomes to this offensive: One, Marquez frets public perception of standing in Rossi's way of another historic world championship and cowers, stepping aside. Or two, Rossi antagonizes Marquez.

Getting into the incident itself, I'm not sure how anyone can make a case against Marquez. Sure, he spent the entirety of his race attempting to thwart Rossi, but he did so within the letter of the law. Valentino ran Marquez wide and shut it off, and between the pair of long glances in Marquez's direction, his M1 being off throttle when a typical line would suggest he return to the gas and his leg extending into Marquez's bike suggests to me this was intentional.

For that, I don't understand how there is no further sanction for the race results themselves. As has been brought up many times before, if Simoncelli was given a ride-through in 2011 for causing Pedrosa crash (while genuinely attempting an overtake), then I don't see how Rossi can receive no in-race sanctions for causing Marquez to crash (while deliberately running him wide). Starting from the back at Valencia makes things very difficult in terms of the championship, but not as difficult as had he been handed a ride-through or a DQ, which would've been warranted. Rossi got lucky, but that's been a staple of his treatment from the series for years now.

I find this fascinating, to be honest. While I have the utmost respect for Rossi's talents and achievements, I've long felt that this sort of behavior lurked behind the scenes. I think we were witness to such petulance in Qatar 2004, Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2011, off the top of my head, but this has a different feel to it. Sete Gibernau was nowhere near Rossi's equal, Casey Stoner lacked the machinery for most of his career or the longevity to truly demonstrate himself to be on Rossi's level. What I find so unique about today's display is that Marquez toyed about with Valentino like the Italian used to do so frequently with his adversaries early in the four-stroke era, and Rossi didn't seem to much care for it.

Bum wrap for Marquez, but I almost feel as though he's brought it on himself. Doesn't excuse Valentino, who I feel got off light, as he often does, but there will be hell to pay in Valencia with three speedy Spaniards who will fight to keep the Italian off the podium in front of a Spanish-heavy crowd of 100,000.

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Arrabbiata1 said:

While you're at it, be a good lad and do the same here. Thanks.

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ReddiWhip said:

Whether or not Marquez had a braking issue which let Lorenzo through, no one can say. But what we do know, is that within a very short amount of time, Rossi went from being right behind Lorenzo to 3 seconds behind Lorenzo. Did Rossi's own pace suddenly fall off, no it didn't. Marquez was riding wild lines, executing repeated block passes, and over running ever turn to scrap to slow Rossi. How do we know he slowed Rossi? There's these things called numbers what aren't up for debate. Why would Rossi want to fight with Marquez? He wouldn't. All he would want to do is stick with Lorenzo. Everyone is letting Passion get in the way of common sense.

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evo9 said:

The way these rossi fan boys are. This should very well be taken seriously. They were all banking on him & #10. A suicide watch should also put in place. Not that I would care much about that.

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WVMotoGP99 said:

I found this.. Figure some will sign, some (like me) will laugh and some will cuss.

https://www.change.org/p/motogp-rac...ish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg

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The integrity of MotoGP is falling into disgrace. You have just condoned dirty racing tactics by punishing Valentino Rossi for pursuing the championship whilst being harassed and sabotaged by Marc Marquez. At the same time you have allowed Jorge Lorenzo to overtake on a yellow flag, without penalty.

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