Misano Race Discussion

my race conclusion
Rossi & burgess how do you keep finding this extra pace for race day?-brilliant!
Lorenzon-good to see ya back racing- wasnt quite as quick as the doctor though
Elias - nice one-deserves to stay with Ducati
Pedrosa gave up as usual like the ..... that he is! blamed tyres yet Lorenzo was fine although unlike everyone else on here i support his move to bridgestones, loyalty does not win races or world championships-goood tyres do!
Toseland-need to learn how to set the bike up and stop using edwards set up.
hopefully michelin can get their act together and we wont have a single tyre rule next season.
hopefully they will ban traction control too, sorry casey!
looking forward to Indy and hopung to see Nicky back at the sharp end!

I can't help wondering if Toni is riding Marcos bike and vice versa. It seems strange that Elias starts to do well after Marco decides to leave Ducati. Is Toni on a works bike?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Sep 1 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After his win with gresini Honda he then spent a whole other year on the same bike and did nothing. Did someone reboot his brain on the off season then?

sorry BG but the 2006 RC211v and the 2007 RC212DP were 2 totally different machines. even marco struggled like anything to get along with the RC212 and we all know how well he goes on hondas..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 1 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're the Pinky of Rossi fans.
And you're the Pinky of Pinky's fans.
Oh and if you accuse me for being the Pinky of Rossi fans, feel free to checked my posts here about Stoner. Unlike Pinky who keeps insulting Rossi, I've never insulting Stoner the way he does to Rossi.
...I'm just have a good laugh at him (that's Pinky, not Stoner ) ...
....
" Revenge is a dish best served cold .."
roger-m, are you agreeing with me ??
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...ost&p=99349

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 1 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So Stoner crashes and he gets the blame for boring races - it really is hard being a fan of Stoner - no matter what he does, it's his fault. Some of you clowns need to get a grip on reality, not have your head so far up Rossi's arse you can't see.

What the heck got in to you. Talk about sore looser. Consider this:
it really is hard being a fan of Rossi - no matter what we write, we are hopless cheerleaders. Can't some of you sour bellied Hayden and Stoner fans at least consider what is actually written. Even when we agree with you you clowns are complaining.
Get a grip on reality SoD, I agree that the two last races were boring (regarding the lead/win of the race) and has clearly stated so way before some pissed off stoner fan starts whining, but the main reason were that Stoner did personal errors, just like he himself more or less admitted, that should really not be much of a controversial. That doesn't rule out other underlying problems like a wrong formula and or bad Michelin tires, but as it is his crash did take away a large part of the excitement. When the only other championship contender dumps it 3 times in a row that do tend to take away some excitment, or is that a too biased opinion for "you Stoner fans"?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Sep 1 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> And you're the Pinky of Pinky's fans.
Oh and if you accuse me for being the Pinky of Rossi fans, feel free to checked my posts here about Stoner. Unlike Pinky who keeps insulting Rossi, I've never insulting Stoner the way he does to Rossi.
...I'm just have a good laugh at him (that's Pinky, not Stoner ) ...
....
" Revenge is a dish best served cold .."
roger-m, are you agreeing with me ??
http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...ost&p=99349
yeah but pinky could take it when we took the piss. now ducati have signed haystack and pinky vowed to leave it that happened im going to miss his mindless banter. dont miss barry machine or krusty tho, pair of hand to gland combatants imo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Sep 1 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The fact that he's always at the back of the pack...and the fact that the only time he won a GP was when Gresini had told him he wasn't sure he'd be signing him the next year. Elias won, had his contract renewed for the next season, and then spent the next season doing what he does best..ie nothing. Which makes me angry because the guy CAN win races see? I'm not doubting his talent...only his motivation. IYou're just assuming he suddenly clicked with the bike and suddenly got some support...wow. Great coincidence. After his win with gresini Honda he then spent a whole other year on the same bike and did nothing. Did someone reboot his brain on the off season then?
i got to agree.

toni aka scud is talented and can win races but imo is a lazy ........ he does just enough to stay in a job and no more. i dont think he has any ambition to be a champ, he just wants an easy life doing what he loves ,riding bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah but pinky could take it when we took the piss. now ducati have signed haystack and pinky vowed to leave it that happened im going to miss his mindless banter. dont miss barry machine or krusty tho, pair of hand to gland combatants imo

I couldn't believe Stoner put it down again. It's different racing at the front when you're leading the championship compared to having to win races to catch up. I like Rossi's attitude though, he could have brought it home in second but was pushing to eat into Stoner's lead.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Sep 1 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The fact that he's always at the back of the pack...and the fact that the only time he won a GP was when Gresini had told him he wasn't sure he'd be signing him the next year. Elias won, had his contract renewed for the next season, and then spent the next season doing what he does best..ie nothing. Which makes me angry because the guy CAN win races see? I'm not doubting his talent...only his motivation. IYou're just assuming he suddenly clicked with the bike and suddenly got some support...wow. Great coincidence. After his win with gresini Honda he then spent a whole other year on the same bike and did nothing. Did someone reboot his brain on the off season then?

Toni's riding showed promise before he got injured in 06, but his upturn in form (the win) was the result of getting a michelin tyre built for his riding style. In 07 Toni had a career best result before he got injured and before his career prospects were at the centre of attention.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Sep 1 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is Toni on a works bike?

Yes, when Dantin left Ducati made management changes to the squad and gave them the new factory bits.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, when Dantin left Ducati made management changes to the squad and gave them the new factory bits.
Thanks Tom I didn't know that

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 1 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Toni's riding showed promise before he got injured in 06, but his upturn in form (the win) was the result of getting a michelin tyre built for his riding style. In 07 Toni had a career best result before he got injured and before his career prospects were at the centre of attention.




Yes, when Dantin left Ducati made management changes to the squad and gave them the new factory bits.
interesting tom

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 31 2008, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another fine example of Rossi picking up an undeserved win. The cruisin' caretaker watches Casey clear off then waits for a crash or mechanical failure. We know somebody else who used to do that.

Hahahaha clearing off?! in that Valentino kept setting the fastest laps jesus dude just stop and listen to yourself

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>interesting tom

Sorry if you and whoever else it was had already considered these factors, it just seemed they had been overlooked in favour of the conclusion that Elias simply doesn't try.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I'll give Rossi/Burgess credit for making massive improvements to the bike. They are still the best development team in the paddock. Futhermore, I'll give Rossi credit for keeping the bike upright and using perfect race craft.

Credit for the championship? No way in hell. The only pressure Vale has been applying is on the scoreboard. That lead was handed to him by Ezmerelda and the other people who can't stand to watch the consequences of true prototype racing.


In that case Nicky deserves .... all credit for 2006 (which is clearly ridiculous) .But i bet you wont have that will you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 1 2008, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What the heck got in to you. Talk about sore looser. Consider this:
it really is hard being a fan of Rossi - no matter what we write, we are hopless cheerleaders. Can't some of you sour bellied Hayden and Stoner fans at least consider what is actually written. Even when we agree with you you clowns are complaining.
Get a grip on reality SoD, I agree that the two last races were boring (regarding the lead/win of the race) and has clearly stated so way before some pissed off stoner fan starts whining, but the main reason were that Stoner did personal errors, just like he himself more or less admitted, that should really not be much of a controversial. That doesn't rule out other underlying problems like a wrong formula and or bad Michelin tires, but as it is his crash did take away a large part of the excitement. When the only other championship contender dumps it 3 times in a row that do tend to take away some excitment, or is that a too biased opinion for "you Stoner fans"?
LMFAO, you wrote that the race was boring because Stoner crashed. I didn't whine about Stoner crashing, I didn't say anything really except that front end loses are remiminding me of 06. Why don't you start questioning why the race was "boring" instead of blaming it on Stoner. Last time I looked there were 15 other riders out there besides Stoner and Rossi. Maybe they had something to do with it - or don't they count?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Sep 2 2008, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LMFAO, you wrote that the race was boring because Stoner crashed. I didn't whine about Stoner crashing, I didn't say anything really except that front end loses are remiminding me of 06.
Sure, just me being paranoid when I saw this: "Some of you clowns need to get a grip on reality, not have your head so far up Rossi's arse you can't see." I certainly didn't see anything about '06. Probably just my paranoia again, yes?
Try to pretend laughing it off, it doesn't cahnge that you behaved like a complete .... Why, I don't know, but guessing you are sore looser does comes to mind no matter what you pretended to complain about.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Why don't you start questioning why the race was "boring" instead of blaming it on Stoner. Last time I looked there were 15 other riders out there besides Stoner and Rossi. Maybe they had something to do with it - or don't they count?

Do they count? Not really. Pedrosa, healthy and on good rubber and same with Lorenzo are sometimes up there, but they were both out of the championship contention and both well behind in this race. Stoner were the only one with the smallest hope and he binned that at Misano, so yes I blame him for the boring race and a boring season end. In the first post it was ment in a humorous way. Something with a grain of truth but as I look into it now I think that is as close as we can get for why we had a boring race. As we both know Rossi ans Stoner has been in a league of their own the last few rounds and only the two created any excitment in the top.
I see others don't rate races the same way but I'm not affraid to say a race as boring when the win is more or less decided within the first 1/4 of the race. There might be good racing behind and I enjoy that but that doesn't change the winning part. So, yes, the race were boring and I don't find anyone else to blame but Stoner for that. Rest assured that he is even harder on himself for doing that misstake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah but pinky could take it when we took the piss. now ducati have signed haystack and pinky vowed to leave it that happened im going to miss his mindless banter. dont miss barry machine or krusty tho, pair of hand to gland combatants imo

Sorry to disappoint you but I'm still here. Your (attempt at) humour is consistent ... I'll give it that!

Well done to Valentino and Jerry Burgess. They have turned a close championship (only 4 short races ago) into a one horse race.

Suzuki had a better weekend and the optimist in me thinks they may be heading in the right direction. I do think that at some point most years but there are some encouraging signs.

Casey ... stop crashing!

Team green are a team in turmoil. To say they are a disaster is being kind to them.

He's not my favourite but Jorge rode brilliantly.

Good to see JT riding with some confidence. It seems like a long time since he has.

Other than Casey the biggest disappointment was Nakano ... Full spec HRC bike with Bridgestones ... that result was rubbish!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Sep 2 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Team green are a team in turmoil. To say they are a disaster is being kind to them.