This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

Gran Premio Motul de la República Argentina 2017

Michelin shouldn't make front tires that can be ridden exactly like Bridgestones. Is it the ill-handling RCV that is cramping Marc's style or the tires? Some of you are switching between the two excuses every post you make, yet we're told (by you know who) Marc would have no issue riding around the GP17 issues to give Ducati a championship.

Marc's spectacular style on the Bridgestones led to more visits to the gravel traps than his time on Michelins so far.
I was referring to how he rode in 2014, one of the many phenomena which don't fit your narrative that you conveniently ignore, and there are those who might even consider a record number of race wins in a season including the first 10 races in a row suggestive of a moderately effective riding style.

It is highly amusing (and very predictable) and was actually the point of the post to which you originally replied, that you now try to argue that the winner of three of the last 4 titles can't ride, having spent last year arguing that the winner of 3 of the 4 other titles out of the last 7 couldn't ride either, whilst being outraged by the bias of posters on this forum.

I have tried in relation to your complaints about conspiracy theories to explain the concept of irony to you, obviously to no avail, so I won't try to raise that concept again in relation to your latest tack since it is fairly obviously beyond your ken.
 
Last edited:
It's his opinion, not fact.

It might well be better than the new tyre, and better for other riders as well as Rossi.

What is being suggested, with some support from Julian Ryder and a statement from MM in a press release, is that it was Rossi who asked for the tyre and that him asking for something increases the likelihood of it becoming available.
 
We are watching Dorna and Michelin conspire to wreck yet another championship in an effort to give Valentino Rossi that missing 10th title. Instead of letting things unfold as they may, there's a belief that rather than fairly earning a 10th title, he has a divine right to obtain that 10th title however it may be. It's appalling that we have watched Michelin over the course of a week change their story multiple times about the Argentina tire debacle. But now it looks like the Rossi preference will be showing up at COTA, or if not there, probably for the European season.

It begs the question of how anyone who is a fan of motorcycle racing can be okay with this. This is the same tire ........ that wrecked the 2008 and 2012 seasons. I don't have an issue with redesigning the tire over the off-season. But once again deciding to change the tire in midstream because one rider with substantial influence doesn't care for the tire is not fair or sporting. If the tire construction was being changed on legitimate safety grounds (not manufactured safety grounds) that changes the discussion considerably.
 
What I think is most interesting though is that the current generation of riders are refusing to stand for any of what they're trying to do and are in some cases openly calling out DORNA/Michelin on their ..... Ie the rider who reportedly said to Loris that he doesn't do anything when he has a .... weekend.

In the end though I wouldn't mind a new tyre simply for the fact that I hope one day soon Michelin will produce one that isn't .....

I also love that more journos are calling ........ on things like this. I don't know about anyone else but as opinions that closely follow what some have been saying here become more mainstream I do feel vindicated somehwhat.
 
Last edited:
We are watching Dorna and Michelin conspire to wreck yet another championship in an effort to give Valentino Rossi that missing 10th title. Instead of letting things unfold as they may, there's a belief that rather than fairly earning a 10th title, he has a divine right to obtain that 10th title however it may be. It's appalling that we have watched Michelin over the course of a week change their story multiple times about the Argentina tire debacle. But now it looks like the Rossi preference will be showing up at COTA, or if not there, probably for the European season.

Seeing how pally Rossi and Marquez were (or maybe as per new forum etiquette we should start using rider numbers #46 & #93) in 2013 and 14:

maxresdefault.jpg


And seeing the almost exact same image with Rossi and Vinales on Sunday, I have to wonder how long they will be pally if he keeps derailing title number 10.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
22-

I had a wild conspiracy theory that I mentioned to a friend, that if the points battle is neck and neck between Vinales and Rossi down the stretch, I could see Vinales pulling over ala Petrucci to give him that 10th title. Or at least sandbagging so it doesn't look obvious. Then again, even if he made it look obvious, he would look golden in the eyes of Dorna and the boppers because: divine right.
 
What I think is most interesting though is that the current generation of riders are refusing to stand for any of what they're trying to do and are in some cases openly calling out DORNA/Michelin on their ..... Ie the rider who reportedly said to Loris that he doesn't do anything when he has a .... weekend.

In the end though I wouldn't mind a new tyre simply for the fact that I hope one day soon Michelin will produce one that isn't .....

I also love that more journos are calling ........ on things like this. I don't know about anyone else but as opinions that closely follow what some have been saying here become more mainstream I do feel vindicated somehwhat.

Sad thing is that in spite of them calling ........ on it, Michelin still appears to be moving ahead full steam with tire option #70.

Hey who knows, maybe if they bring #70 to COTA, that will actually have the unintended side effect of helping out Marquez and letting him continue the COTA dominance.

MotoGP 2017: Option #70, is how this season is looking to be remembered.
 
No you just realised that this one fits your narrative :rolleyes:

Actually, I just read the Sport Rider article and the entire point of the piece is that this has spilt opinion and divided camps. There are certain irrefutable facts but also speculation on both sides. Did you actually read it? I found it to be both objective and impartial with some very accurate historical context.

Whatever the verdict, what is indisputable is the fact that Michelin have not managed this situation well nor have they communicated adequately with the press, the owners, the riders, stakeholders and the public. Irrespective of Valentino Rossi, if a tyre is covertly introduced at the behest of a rider or minority preference it sets a dangerous precedence for future demands or allegations of favouritism. The article also criticises the lack of clarification and ambiguity of Michelin's statements...for example the future availability of the #70 carcass/profile in the future in a different guise of rubber/compound.

Clerment Ferrand have again compromised their position through a lack of transparency so is it really any wonder given past form that one may be lead to question not only their intent, but a control tyre manufacuter, their probity?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5 people
Actually, I just read the Sport Rider article and the entire point of the piece is that this has spilt opinion and divided camps. There are certain irrefutable facts but also speculation on both sides. Did you actually read it? I found it to be both objective and impartial with some very accurate historical context.

Whatever the verdict, what is indisputable is the fact that Michelin have not managed this situation well nor have they communicated adequately with the press, the owners, the riders, stakeholders and the public. Irrespective of Valentino Rossi, if a tyre is covertly introduced at the behest of a rider or minority preference it sets a dangerous precedence for future demands or allegations of favouritism. The article also criticises the lack of clarification and ambiguity of Michelin's statements...for example the future availability of the #70 carcass/profile in the future in a different guise of rubber/compound.

Clerment Ferrand have again compromised their position through a lack of transparency so is it really any wonder given past form that one may be lead to question not only their intent, but a control tyre manufacuter, their probity?

Give it another year and we'll probably see the return of Saturday Night Specials and a newly revamped tiered tire system.

Just read it in Nick Harris's voice, full with orgasmic ecstasy when he reads tier 1.

Tier 1: The Heavenly Special (VR, Maverick till you piss us off)

Tier 2: We Like You, But We Don't Like You That Much (Marquez, Crutchlow, Pedrosa, Miller, Zarco, Folger, Petrucci, Dovizioso)

Tier 3: Extra Value Menu Mix and Match Whatever is Left (Abraham, Iannone, Barbera, Bautista, Baz, Redding, Lorenzo)

Tier 4: The 9th Circle of Hell, You Only Get Moto 2 Dunlop Tires (Tito Rabat, Alex Rins, Sam Lowes, P.Asparagus & A.Asparagus)
 
As a Lorenzo fan, seeing him throw the bike down like that disappoints me. After all, he retired due to his own mistake, no need to throw the bike over.

I think he realized over winter that he made a huge mistake, and that crash (his fault) just pushed him over the edge in and his 250 self came back to the surface....I expect we will see many more of these sorts of episodes over this season, and i will go so far as to speculate that if he doesnt get a some decent result (ie. a win) that he will pull a Crutchlow by year's end ... and get a Satellite Honda ride in 2018 maybe... ;)

Just for a comparison...Rossi on the Ducati (a much worse one) had 2 better first races than JLo has so far....and by his 4th race had achieved a podium on the Duc in france..
Does anyone think JLo can get on the podium by France (the 5th race this year)?
 
As conspiracies theories go, Michelin's bringing of the older compound to Argentina is one of the sillier ones. The abrasive Terma de Rio Hondo track cannot accommodate a soft front - half the grid on Sunday went out on hard fronts.

So the idea that Michelin quickly dispatched a solution to a Rossi-crisis and were foiled by the ever-vigilant Safety Commission is ridiculous. Akin to a dozen bald men arguing over what type of comb to buy.

Michelin's actions are exactly what they look like - a data-gathering exercise. At worst, one can accuse them of being overenthusiatic on the technical side while mismanaging the public messaging. Michelin's certainly not setting any new precedents - last year they were rolling out a new tyre every two or three rounds.

Is Michelin right to experiment with a newer compound as an option despite their assurance at Qatar that there'd be no changes this season? Not when it was just Rossi, Iannone & Bautista. But with three Honda riders as well as the lead rider for Aprilia asking to test it (none of whom has denied Taramasso's statement), the answer is obvious. I wouldn't be surprised if Dovizioso's feedback was on the same lines too.

It certainly makes sense from Dorna's perspective. The uncertainty going into the race was great but the actual race was a damp squib as far as the 'show' goes, even though the satellites did well. Aside from the crashes, it was like an F1 race.

Does it unfairly assist Rossi? Well, he's got 36 pts from two races - another lap or two and he might have taken 2nd at Qatar as well. More importantly, both races, his average lap time was just a tenth down on the race winner. Same stage last year Rossi had 33 pts (and even that was only because Iannone wiped out Dovizioso). Whether it helps him or not, its certainly worth a review from the rest of the paddock.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
Just for a comparison...Rossi on the Ducati (a much worse one) had 2 better first races than JLo has so far....and by his 4th race had achieved a podium on the Duc in france..
Does anyone think JLo can get on the podium by France (the 5th race this year)?

Right now top 10 would be an achievement worth noting for JLo...
 
I think he realized over winter that he made a huge mistake, and that crash (his fault) just pushed him over the edge in and his 250 self came back to the surface....I expect we will see many more of these sorts of episodes over this season,
According to his crew he'd made a breakthrough in practice. He was confident of a top-six finish despite starting from the 5th row.

Lorenzo out at Turn 1, sure of top six potential
“Disappointed, because I needed more than ever to find the kilometers and the laps to keep the improvement we made during the weekend with the position of the bike, with the way of riding using more the rear brake to stop the bike. And in the warm up lap I felt very, very good.

“So a good start, but in the first corner, I decided to go to the inside, there was a lot of bikes there, and someway somehow, I found the rear wheel of Iannone very soon, and I touched him just a little bit, and the bike was going into the other side and I crashed.

“Very disappointed. A bad moment, because still ten, twelve days before I can get on the bike again, and I would like to go tomorrow. It's difficult, but at least I'm not injured, and we found a good way to be more competitive in the future.”

“I think Andrea [Dovizioso] had a lot of problems this weekend, and I could have improved my pace on the race, so probably with a good start and no problems on the first lap, I could fight with Bautista for fourth, fifth, with the group behind. I think that was my place today, with the pace I imagine I could do.

“Every time I ride differently, more like you have to ride the Ducati, using the rear brake to stop, I improve so much in the braking.

“The warm-up was OK, I was very constant, not especially fast in the warm up just in one lap, but very constant, and still adapting to the bike. I expected in the race to improve three tenths or half a second. But this happened and my race was over.

He might be mistaken or might not. Either way, to crash out on the first lap after being confident of having made a breakthrough would have been much more frustrating than just simply lacking the pace as he did at Qatar.

and i will go so far as to speculate that if he doesnt get a some decent result (ie. a win) that he will pull a Crutchlow by year's end ... and get a Satellite Honda ride in 2018 maybe... ;)
I wish he'd settle for a satellite Suzuki. Lorenzo's basically a Phillips head driver on a slotted Ducati... all while Suzuki work their crosshead GSX-RR with a flat-head Iannone.

:timebomb:

Iannone surprised by Suzuki corner speed during Valencia test - Nov 2016

Iannone trying to imitate Vinales' riding style on Suzuki - Mar 2017

Andrea Iannone says he has been trying to imitate the riding style of Maverick Vinales to get the best from his Suzuki MotoGP bike, but admits this has been hard.

"I'm trying to adapt quickly to the bike, but to go fast requires a riding style identical to that of Vinales," admitted Iannone on Saturday.

"I'm trying to imitate him, but it's not in my nature. He never brakes for a corner while leant over, but with the bike straight, and he waits prior to turning and then accelerates.

"Most riders, on the other hand, they use the brake to bring the bike into the corner, and then accelerate.

"Right now I am trying to adapt a bit to try to compensate for what is lacking."
 
Last edited:
Give it another year and we'll probably see the return of Saturday Night Specials and a newly revamped tiered tire system.

Just read it in Nick Harris's voice, full with orgasmic ecstasy when he reads tier 1.

Tier 1: The Heavenly Special (VR, Maverick till you piss us off)

Tier 2: We Like You, But We Don't Like You That Much (Marquez, Crutchlow, Pedrosa, Miller, Zarco, Folger, Petrucci, Dovizioso)

Tier 3: Extra Value Menu Mix and Match Whatever is Left (Abraham, Iannone, Barbera, Bautista, Baz, Redding, Lorenzo)

Tier 4: The 9th Circle of Hell, You Only Get Moto 2 Dunlop Tires (Tito Rabat, Alex Rins, Sam Lowes, P.Asparagus & A.Asparagus)

:p Maybe just purgatory. Hells should be reserved for trolls and Michelin execs; like tires there should be a wide variety to choose from like the Hell of Crawling Flies, and a Hell of Scratchy Undergarments and a Hell of Lukewarm Soup; maybe a Hell of Standing In Line or a Hell of Chattering Neighbors or why not a Hell of Smashed Fingers? Or perhaps just a Hell of Anticipation where they sit around waiting to find out which Hell they're eventually going to.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
:p Maybe just purgatory. Hells should be reserved for trolls and Michelin execs; like tires there should be a wide variety to choose from like the Hell of Crawling Flies, and a Hell of Scratchy Undergarments and a Hell of Lukewarm Soup; maybe a Hell of Standing In Line or a Hell of Chattering Neighbors or why not a Hell of Smashed Fingers? Or perhaps just a Hell of Anticipation where they sit around waiting to find out which Hell they're eventually going to.

But in MotoGP land, hell is reserved for the dissenters or those who have crossed the 7-times GP world champion. Aleix Asparagus' clash with Rossi last year automatically lined him up for the 9th circle of hell where instead of his guide being Virgil, it's Alex Barros. "Say there little boy, let me regal you with the tale of 2002 when I showed that talent isn't quite 80-20 as soon as Honda stopped holding out on giving me the V5. But you'll never hear about it because I was ignored and buried just like you have been!"
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
As conspiracies theories go, Michelin's bringing of the older compound to Argentina is one of the sillier ones. The abrasive Terma de Rio Hondo track cannot accommodate a soft front - half the grid on Sunday went out on hard fronts.

As you yourself said, the purpose was very likely to test it not race it so your point is moot. Forget 'conspiracies' - the questioning of Michelin's actions appears to be concerning their lack of transparency and whether the reversion to #70 is at any one particular riders behest in respect of influencing future races.

A
Michelin's actions are exactly what they look like - a data-gathering exercise. At worst, one can accuse them of being over enthusiatic on the technical side while mismanaging the public messaging.

Indeed, the extra tyre was more than likely introduced for the purposes of future evaluation as opposed to racing it. This lead some to implicitly question whether this was for the overall good of the series, a selection of riders or alternatively an undisclosed vested interest - and resulted in speculation as to whether it would even have had the mothballs removed had one rider in particular not requested it. However, the shitstorm that has erupted largely has been precipitated by Goubert's evasive, contradictory and contrary statements and the circumstances surrounding the fact that the the Race Commission learned of that available fourth tire only when the riders requested the commission’s presence to announce their decision about it. Moreover, his conflicting account of precisely who requested it - particularly since it transpires that Marc was referring to the possibility harder compound post Qatar as opposed to carcass as previously alleged.

Is Michelin right to experiment with a newer compound as an option despite their assurance at Qatar that there'd be no changes this season?

It's actually a renewed experiment with stiffer construction which was overwhelming rejected during winter testing. The compound may vary and as I said, they haven't as yet clarified whether or not the #70 stiffer carcass will be available in conjunction with the compound designation for COTA or any race thereafter.

Michelin's certainly not setting any new precedents - last year they were rolling out a new tyre every two or three rounds.

Indeed they did, but not as an additional allocation and any introduction or significant change was overtly effected through official channels, following prior consultation with Dorna and addition to all the teams and riders and with full endorsement from the safety committee. And yes they do set a precedent if the overwhelming perception is that a small group of riders, or even one rider can successfully lobby for a tyre to suit their preference. I refer you back to the article which is the situation as it now stands...

"Today, a tire is proposed to help a rider out of the crisis; tomorrow, someone else may knock on the door for help and Michelin could well ignore him—a scenario that one rider lobbed at Loris Capirossi in the tense meeting on Friday night in Argentina."
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
Indeed, the extra tyre was more than likely introduced for the purposes of future evaluation as opposed to racing it. This lead some to implicitly question whether this was for the overall good of the series, a selection of riders or alternatively an undisclosed vested interest - and resulted in speculation as to whether it would even have had the mothballs removed had one rider in particular not requested it. However, the shitstorm that has erupted largely has been precipitated by Goubert's evasive, contradictory and contrary statements and the circumstances surrounding the fact that the the Race Commission learned of that available fourth tire only when the riders requested the commission’s presence to announce their decision about it. Moreover, his conflicting account of precisely who requested it - particularly since it transpires that Marc was referring to the possibility harder compound post Qatar as opposed to carcass as previously alleged.
What's the normal protocol to announce something like this?

It was in the press on Thursday, so I find to believe that the riders were unaware of that on Friday evening.

Four Michelin fronts available in Argentina - Thursday, 6th April (Crash.net)
Michelin adds a fourth front tyre option for Argentina after Iannone, Marquez, Pedrosa and Crutchlow join Rossi in requesting stiffer casing.

Could you elaborate the point about Goubert's contradictory statements?

It's actually a renewed experiment with stiffer construction which was overwhelming rejected during winter testing. The compound may vary and as I said, they haven't as yet clarified whether or not the #70 stiffer carcass will be available in conjunction with the compound designation for COTA or any race thereafter.
Maybe they're assessing the feedback from the latest round? Does it really matter that much though? As long as its not introduced after an event has begun, it should have only a minimal impact - maybe a rejigging of the team's plans for the practice sessions. (Unlike Argentina where they weren't available on Friday making them an unnecessary complication on Saturday.)

Indeed they did, but not as an additional allocation and any introduction or significant change was overtly effected through official channels, following prior consultation with Dorna and addition to all the teams and riders and with full endorsement from the safety committee.
An additional allocation ought to be a less significant change than modifying the primary tyre. The wider choice would require more testing on the rider's part - but those of them comfortable on the existing tyre (like Vinales, I assume) could continue on it.

Also, given its not a safety issue, it shouldn't need endorsement by the Safety Committee. Its an issue for the team managers meeting, if anything.

Personally I'd like to see Michelin offer a wider selection of tyres every round - maybe 5 tyres - two mediums, two softs/hards & one hard/soft (depending on characteristics of the track). Limited evolution so that every rider can get used to picking b/w two or three of his preferred tyres every round. No assymetric builds to allow interchangeable use at different venues thus controlling costs. Don't see it happening though.

And yes they do set a precedent if the overwhelming perception is that a small group of riders, or even one rider can successfully lobby for a tyre to suit their preference. I refer you back to the article which is the situation as it now stands...
Practically every source I've read on the issue supports Michelin's contention that at least 5 or 6 factory riders (among others) wanted to test the stiffer compound after Qatar.


"I was told that this was an extra tire, which would only really have been allowed on safety grounds normally anyway. There were basically five riders who wanted the new front: Rossi, Marquez, Pedrosa, Crutchlow, and Iannone. The talk I have heard is that there was a lot of pressure from both Rossi's and Marquez' side to try to get the tire." - David Emmett
 
Goubert's interview (on Saturday) -

"We brought a new profile, which is the profile we have now, at Valencia for the race. We brought the old tyre in two compounds and the new tyre in two compounds," Michelin's Nicolas Goubert explained in Argentina on Saturday. "People made a comparison and 90% chose the [new] big profile so we were certain it was a good direction for 2017."

But Goubert confirmed the rigidity of the 2017 tyre was then reduced following chattering issues. Results with this softer construction at the start-of-year Sepang and Phillip Island tests were "really good", with Rossi one of the few riders who still preferred the earlier version.

"From the beginning [Rossi] was not happy with the direction we took for 2017, but he was not the only one," Goubert said. "Iannone was not happy and Bautista sometimes said he would prefer the old one. We said to them: 'Sorry, you are only a couple of people, okay Valentino Rossi among them, but as everyone else seems to be happy we will continue'.

"That changed after the Qatar race, because we had a lot more comments from different people saying they were not that happy with the new tyres and we should think about doing something."


Michelin first had some doubts of their own during the final test in Qatar, two weeks before the race.

"At the Qatar test as you might remember we had quite a few crashes, too many crashes. Okay Qatar is a bit specific so we didn't change our mind, sometimes you have humidity there... it was not really clear. Then came the race and more people ["six or seven"] said the feeling with the front was not what they expected it to be. But again it was Qatar, difficult conditions for the race. So is it specific to Qatar or something we will see again?"

The end result was a decision to bring a fourth front tyre option to Argentina, featuring the original 2017 stiffer casing, while keeping the same profile.

"The main allocation here is the construction we had in Qatar, but we also decided to bring a tyre with the stronger construction, from Valencia 2016. Just to make sure we took the good decision and if the results show something else, we are ready as always to change our direction."

But the test tyre never appeared on track.

"Unfortunately the tyres were late because of a strike. It took me 72 hours to come here and it took some of our tyres a long time as well, and they were not available for Friday," Goubert said.

"The plan was then to try the tyre on Saturday, but the riders' Safety Commission intervened, deciding - with rain forecast and already having three different fronts and rears to evaluate - yet another tyre would be too much of a distraction.

"Looking at the weather forecast and time they have left, they took the decision not to use that tyre. It was a reasonable decision, especially when you look at what happened today. Because there was not a lot of time, bad conditions... we agreed," Goubert said.

"Without the strike we would have had test results on the Friday and we would more-or-less know by now if we are right, or if we have to change something... As it was, there were hardly any crashes and people were okay with the normal tyre allocation."

The Frenchman added that the plan was never to race the extra tyre, since it would only be offered in a soft compound and "nobody is going to go with the soft compound if it is fully dry."

Rossi, who was not in the Safety Commission meeting, admitted he would have liked to try the tyre to help further understand his front-end problems: "They said to me we cannot use. I think it can be interesting to try it, but we stay with the normal tyre."

It is now not clear when, or even if, the tyre will be seen again.

"Not likely to see it in Texas because Texas is even more demanding than here... we will see, depending on what happens in this race," Goubert said.
 
Last edited:
As conspiracies theories go, Michelin's bringing of the older compound to Argentina is one of the sillier ones. The abrasive Terma de Rio Hondo track cannot accommodate a soft front - half the grid on Sunday went out on hard fronts.

So the idea that Michelin quickly dispatched a solution to a Rossi-crisis and were foiled by the ever-vigilant Safety Commission is ridiculous. Akin to a dozen bald men arguing over what type of comb to buy.

Michelin's actions are exactly what they look like - a data-gathering exercise. At worst, one can accuse them of being overenthusiatic on the technical side while mismanaging the public messaging. Michelin's certainly not setting any new precedents - last year they were rolling out a new tyre every two or three rounds.

Is Michelin right to experiment with a newer compound as an option despite their assurance at Qatar that there'd be no changes this season? Not when it was just Rossi, Iannone & Bautista. But with three Honda riders as well as the lead rider for Aprilia asking to test it (none of whom has denied Taramasso's statement), the answer is obvious. I wouldn't be surprised if Dovizioso's feedback was on the same lines too.

It certainly makes sense from Dorna's perspective. The uncertainty going into the race was great but the actual race was a damp squib as far as the 'show' goes, even though the satellites did well. Aside from the crashes, it was like an F1 race.

Does it unfairly assist Rossi? Well, he's got 36 pts from two races - another lap or two and he might have taken 2nd at Qatar as well. More importantly, both races, his average lap time was just a tenth down on the race winner. Same stage last year Rossi had 33 pts (and even that was only because Iannone wiped out Dovizioso). Whether it helps him or not, its certainly worth a review from the rest of the paddock.
"Reasonable inferences" are a conspiracy theory when they are not your own perhaps?

If you want precedent we have 2012, when the only difference was keeping an existing hard carcass tyre in the allocation up till that stage of the season, and which the designers of one of the bikes may well have had specifically in mind when designing the bike. along with a new tyre rather than bringing such a tyre back.

Stoner was among other things all 3 of the defending champion, the lead HRC rider with the full support and agreement of HRC and his HRC team-mate who was also a leading contender, and correct that the new tyre would prove insufficiently durable in race conditions.

He, Pedrosa and HRC, including the Honda principal who made a quite public request that both tyres remain available, were basically told to .... off.
 
Last edited:

Recent Discussions