I get where you're coming from but that anger/frustration is born from the drive it takes to succeed in sport. I can't think of a great athlete who wouldn't do something similar in the same situation. I don't think you can be a world champion without having one of those streaks in your personality.
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I get where you're coming from but that anger/frustration is born from the drive it takes to succeed in sport. I can't think of a great athlete who wouldn't do something similar in the same situation. I don't think you can be a world champion without having one of those streaks in your personality.
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I cut him some slack because it's difficult to go from being in contention to win every GP to struggling near the back of the grid. Has to be very frustrating for him... especially since Stoner can just wonder into the paddock fresh off his fishing boat and put the bike at or near the front of the grid. That has to be very frustrating for Ducati as well.
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I just feel outburst could be contained to a more private location. But you make a good valid point.
Well you could look at it that at least he didn't do a Kocinski (lunching the gearbox/motor) or Hopkins (using the Suzuki as a rest for his foot again and again and again and again)
IMO only it is frustration but I wonder whether it is frustration at himself (he seems to remonstrate with himself as he walks off), officials who did seem to take an eternity to assist (remembering that when in a hurry, each second seems like a minute), Ducati or some other small thing, or a combination of many.
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I agree, it's actually been one of the most impressive things to me about Marquezs career so far is to get back to somewhere private before he explodes. As someone who at one time was a professional athlete and has been wronged by officials(which is similar disappointment I imagine to what he's feeling right now) it's extremely hard to hold your emotions when it's something that means so much to you.
Ie. Sepang 2015, PI 2013.
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Pasini is the one I always recall. Bike and team had been a nightmare for him all season - then, off coming the throttle, it heat seized braking into turn 1 at Catalunya.
I miss the two strokes.
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Pedro said in an interview I read that he pushed on to try and catch the front runners, he's done it before so I can't blame him.
Marquez however was .8 of a second faster for the 3 laps he completed, that's a country mile and a bit too fast for that point in the race. He won a championship last year for recognising when to settle for points rather than win it or bin it.
On the other hand, he has also shown that he can ride a bike exactly as he tried to do at Argentina to 13 wins including 10 straight.
Whether or not it is related to this discussion, Michelin also still make crappy front tyres,
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Marquez also still makes crappy risk management decisions. Last year when Marc had a big points lead, he was able to reinvent himself and play it safe. Well... Murder Mac might be back! Don't forget about all the front end crashes that occurred on Bridgestones.
Blaming the tire characteristics every time Marquez crashes isn't doing him in favors when it comes to discussing rider ability to adapt. Vinales has a perfect start to the season with this "crappy" front tire you speak of.
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I've been coming under the increasing suspicion the Michelin tires are being made with one spec of motorcycle in mind over all the others.
Control tires shouldn't be in GP as Michelin has no incentive to improve their tire when they are the only supplier. Their front tire construct is not going to change to something reminiscent of the best Bridgestone had to offer. The season ended too earlier last year because of MM winning the title in Michelin/Dorna's estimation. But do you think both entities would have felt that way if VR had won the title?
You show your true colours more in every post.
So all of the world champions since Valentino won his first are either villains or derided as a fluke winner in Hayden's case. If Vinales wins as seems likely at this time he will likely escape this purely because even his most fanatical fans such as you recognise now that Valentino is 38 there comes a time, and remarkable as his riding still is you start to get tired at that age in comparison to 24 year olds, and the narrative is obviously going to be that Vinales is his protege, a gift to the gp bike racing world to vanquish the evil Marquez. I do concede that the bike Vinales has might not be of the same quality without Valentino's involvement.
As a long term fan of the sport rather than of just one gp bike rider rider I have a specific and very likely old fashioned philosophical objection independent of anything to do with Valentino. The Bridgestone control tyre imo basically limited gp racing bikes to Yamahonda conventional aluminium space frame chassis bikes after only 1 year of an underdog marque in Ducati winning with an out of the box design. It would now seem likely extraordinary/out of the box riding styles are going to be limited as well.
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You couldn't refute a single point in my last post so you just posted a bunch of opinions that aren't even related to the current topic of the thread. Only thing you didn't bring up yet (that you usually do whenever you're getting your ... handed to you in a debate) is Sepang 2015.
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Just realized how crap Kropo's was.
MotoGP: Michelin front tire controversy in Argentina | Sport Rider
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Yes, I gave an opinion on a fan forum related to a previous point I have made on the forum in this thread, including in the post to which you replied which was in reply to another poster anyway
and on other threads for many years. I have always thought Stoner couldn't ride Michelin fronts, and possibly wouldn't have been able to ride the SNS variety either. So all those bravura performances on the 2007 Ducati would imo likely not have happened without that Bridegrstone front, and it saddens me that MM may not be able to ride in the extraordinary fashion he did in 2014 again either, even though I was not a fan of his at the time. My point is that Michelin are incapable of making fronts which allow the extreme riding styles of those 2 riders and not anything else.
If you ever make any sort of valid point I might consider refuting it, although I usually prefer more challenging endeavours even in my leisure time.
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Michelin shouldn't make front tires that can be ridden exactly like Bridgestones. Is it the ill-handling RCV that is cramping Marc's style or the tires? Some of you are switching between the two excuses every post you make, yet we're told (by you know who) Marc would have no issue riding around the GP17 issues to give Ducati a championship.
Marc's spectacular style on the Bridgestones led to more visits to the gravel traps than his time on Michelins so far.
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No you just realised that this one fits your narrative
Otherwise known as one that states the facts
No you just realised that this one fits your narrative
Yes. Kropo's was crap, by trying TOO HARD to say "THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY", hence miss some crucial points which provided by Pecino's.
This part
and more importantly, this part
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