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Casey and the Marshalls

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However, when he was restarted most started to leave (I do believe they thought Stoner's bike was running) but only 3 or 4 marshalls of the approximate 12 that attended even tried to assist, and of those the majority after Rossi had departed. This I believe has been the crux of Stoner's complains about Jerez, that he had to ask for help as opposed to being given it (again, we are using comparison here and not our own thoughts on what should be the situation).

It doesn't need any more than 4 marshals to try and push start a bike, In fact 12 would have been too many and is probably 50% more than you would see at other non spanish or italian tracks.
 
They don't? But flat-trackers do? After reviewing footage of both types of racing, it's hard to see the difference.
 
They don't? But flat-trackers do? After reviewing footage of both types of racing, it's hard to see the difference.

No they don't. This is the stumbling point with BM. He does not know the difference between backing (on the brakes) and powersliding / rear wheel steering (on the power).
 
I'll take your word for it - after most of a year and 500-odd posts on the subject, you would think you guys had tired of it by now... I know I have.
 
I'll take your word for it - after most of a year and 500-odd posts on the subject, you would think you guys had tired of it by now... I know I have.

Then why feel the need to get involved by commenting? This place is a forum where members are free to discus what ever they like. Don't expect or demand they stop just because your fed up. I'm starting to form a real dislike of you, maybe you should .... off because i don't like you ! No, didn't think so so STFU !
 
And yet, after defending the freedom of members to read and post what they like, you are the one to tell me to shut up - for expressing an opinion. Not that that opinion required the protagonists to stop or to change the subject, merely that I find it is tiresome after some months and some hundreds of posts - all of the same immature and blinkered type. Maybe you could consider PM's for your little battles?



Oh well, as I have always suspected, those with big post counts seem to think they have more rights than the lowly 'three figure posters'



As to forming a real dislike, you don't know me, I suspect what you dislike is that I don't think the same as you and don't always support your point of view. It seems that is enough for castigation from the cognoscenti on here.



Carry on - not that you need any encouragement.
 
I'll take your word for it - after most of a year and 500-odd posts on the subject, you would think you guys had tired of it by now... I know I have.

Yeah it is very tiring. BM refuses to accept that backing in a motorcycle involves downshift and to a lesser extent but to a varying degree the application of the rear brake.



Flat tracking is a completely different discipline to speedway. The mandatory rear brake is used to scrub speed on the approach and into to the corner which the rider then gasses/powerslides through and out of. I'm sure you would be perfectly willing to acknowledge that - Barry doesn't. Yesterday he actually refuted that Flat Track motorcycles have rear brakes.



Rog is right, Barry is incapable of differentiating between use of the throttle to power slide and use of the downshift to back in. If you have followed this very protracted and tiresome debate then you would know that it originated when BM bragged that he was able to slide his Ducati at will on a public road in the approach to a corner merely by closing the throttle and body position alone. When I queried why he wasn't utilising the brake or downshifting and that what he purported to be doing was tantamount to coasting into a corner I was dismissed as clueless and barraged with countless images of powerslides - his confused misconception of 'backing in'. Feel free to join the debate that Barry is incapable of.
 
Yeah it is very tiring. BM refuses to accept that backing in a motorcycle involves downshift and to a lesser extent but to a varying degree the application of the rear brake.



And you have confused me with someone wanting further clarification of your spat. Thanks all the same, I would rather just snipe snidely from the sidelines rather than become a participant.



I am quite aware of the difference between the various forms of circuit racing, thanks
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Really?



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Are you American? The reason I ask is that it seems you aren't able to identify ironic comment. Perhaps I will add an MP3 laugh track next time so you know when I am being less than serious.
 
And you have confused me with someone wanting further clarification of your spat. Thanks all the same, I would rather just snipe snidely from the sidelines rather than become a participant.



I am quite aware of the difference between the various forms of circuit racing, thanks
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Are you American? The reason I ask is that it seems you aren't able to identify ironic comment. Perhaps I will add an MP3 laugh track next time so you know when I am being less than serious.

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Then why did you bring speedway into a debate about backing in? and furthermore why gloat about sniping from the sidelines? I have no issue with you. If you want to debate it constructively I will
 
I asked a question, which seemed relevant.



As to gloating - such an ugly word. Apropos, but ugly. Some people take themselves very seriously and feel I should as well. I have a different perspective.
 
That this is meant to be a diversion, not life-changing.



I spend enough time on serious matters as it is. Deflating someones puffed-up ego can do wonders to my sense of calm.



Bu tnow you have gone and gotten me discussing things in a sensible manner - can't have that. I'm off to bake bread. The kids will be wanting something for their lunch.
 
I asked a question, which seemed relevant.



As to gloating - such an ugly word. Apropos, but ugly. Some people take themselves very seriously and feel I should as well. I have a different perspective.



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It doesn't need any more than 4 marshals to try and push start a bike, In fact 12 would have been too many and is probably 50% more than you would see at other non spanish or italian tracks.



So what were the others doing attending to Rossi or standing around going 'holy ...., its Valentino and I can almost touch him'?



See the discrepancy?
 
So what were the others doing attending to Rossi or standing around going 'holy ...., its Valentino and I can almost touch him'?



See the discrepancy?

Yes it did look like several were more interested in patting rossi on the arse (i will give you that) but the point being Stoner had plenty enough help and any more would have been impeding likewise with rossi.
 
Yes it did look like several were more interested in patting rossi on the arse (i will give you that) but the point being Stoner had plenty enough help and any more would have been impeding likewise with rossi.



I don't mean this in a snide way, but really that's your opinion - but the actual world champion racer begs to differ. Any rational, objective person would tend to believe that the actual racers's opinion on this is more authoritative.
 

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