Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo

paparazzo said:

Yes, now we are all stupid because we don't share the same views as the little boys club (and anti VR) that is this forum. This was a glorious chance to get and keep a bunch of new posters, also a great chance to raise your post count but most won't be back as soon as the season is over. No wonder this place is absolutely dead.

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I never said you were stupid. But in FACT you did call me a "......".

Here is another fact that wasn't apparent to you, I've treated you with kiddy gloves on purpose. It was obvious you were trying to ruffle my feathers from the start, I didn't bite. And drew you in to debating a position that you have which is untenable. I've answered all your questions and have debunked all your logic. I have deliberately refrained from being an overt ...., which i have been guilty of no doubt with others. But running into frustration wilst attempting to defend your logic I suspect is why you're so upset.

Now you're whining about threatening to QUIT! Hahaha where have I heard that before? Uhm let me think....oh yeah, Rossi. Why don't you want to stay? Perhaps having your notions and reasoning is being challenged and the difficulty you have in defending them is proving to be impossible.

Listen, Papapozza, I honestly want you to stay. All "kidding" and sarcasm aside. I've been to forums where everybody agrees and the moderation is so heavy handed that any divergent opinion is deleted and often the member is banned. It's no fun. This forum is unique in that there is more freedom to posts close to anything, it's not perfect, given the surge of banning lately (before you arrived). But I can trace that chickenshit activity to one or two members here using the report button like their personal ...... vibrator. People who disagree make the forum lively and fun. You've joined at a great time, you have plenty of support. When I joined I was in the absolute minority, at a time where Rossi's popularity and superiority was absolutely unfathomable! Before Stoner's titles, before Lorenzo's titles, before the Ducati exposure, before Marquez's domination. That is the context of the environment I presented my case for Nicky Hayden, who even today is the butt of every "lucky title" standard. I am aware that you went around trying to support Kancer, quite obviously in fact, to needle, curiously he also tried to Nanny this form into the Utopia that perhaps would make you feel comfortable. Incidentally that's when the forum was as you say, quite "dead". You're gonna whine about not feeling accepted here? Dude, I was in the den of lions when I joined. And at the time Rossi’s deity status was unquestionable by every measure and aspect of the sport.

Btw Papapozza, many of those 'lions' became my lifelong friends now. You can lament being treated harshly here, but it seems disengenious when your first engagement on me was calling me a ...... and attacking my "post count" as proof I am dumb. Incidentally, I'm not proud of my post count, not because it indicates anything about my 'intelligence' but it does remind me of my compulsive personality, a real flaw. Of that, yes, I'm guilty. I'd like to also think it indicates a passion for the sport too. Though even that I can make a case against myself, in that it's no longer just passion but outright addiction.

Anyway, I hope you stick around. I am saying this is Rossi's title to lose. I still wholeheartedly believe that. Watching as long as intently as I have for years (which you've pointed out is measurable), I don't see Lorenzo winning the title next Sunday. Everything other than the 5 seconds penalty (in practical terms) of Rossi's starting position at Valencia points to a Rossi title, as illegitimate as it will be. But his 10th will be a great boost to your consideration of continuing to be a member here.

Xplosiv27 said:

We all remember he used his bike as a weapon again pushing and intimidating riders and killing one with his from wheel RIP Simoncelli.

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Totally uncalled for.

paparazzo said:

You think a 3 degree increase in air temp and a 7c increase in track temperature would result in lap times almost 2 seconds slower? You are telling me with FP's 1-4 and Q 1-2 finished and done, with only the race left to run they are not running race level or full tanks?? Please, GTFO.

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That and he ran off track, yes

Mr Squiggle said:

Stoner is dare I say enjoying the fruits of his retirement...well deserved too. Probably snagging a few Barra somewhere in the top end while nursing the wounds from his last foray into racing.

Nah bro not mad about anything....just pushing your buttons. I learnt from the master

Not worth getting too worked up over a few words on an internet forum is it....much better things to do with your time as you well know.

PS Wheres Talps? Slinked off into the background again.. I am sure he will pop up after DORNA/ROSSI win their next title comes Sunday week.

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Hahaha no doubt bro. Rossi has been on a 'detractors vindication' binge. I think I'll send him flowers and a thank you card.

Yeah but your Oxford addition cut a bit deep. No worries though, as you know my skin is thick. Incidentally thanks to boppers (not to be confused with Rossi fans who are first fans of the sport--you here me Iowegian.) What you think of Papapozza 's sentiments of being treated rough around here? The world has been turned upside-down. The perversion has reached the heavens! When a Rossi fan feels he's being unjustly treated, oh lord can you image of he had been a Stoner fan?


Speaking of which, I am worried about Talpa. Go back to read his post to me. It won't be difficult to find, he LITERALLY cut and pasted it close to 10 times, where he expressed concern and suggested perhaps I stop watching (never had that one). I suspect they'll all come back after Rossi "wins" the title in Valencia.

But make no mistake, the 16 points Rossi was allowed to keep in light of his stunning act of deliberate defiance for the principles of competition, combined with the most brazen and spectacular display of incompetence and favoritism (even documented as admission in the Race Direction's report) is utterly illegitimate.

paparazzo said:

You think a 3 degree increase in air temp and a 7c increase in track temperature would result in lap times almost 2 seconds slower? You are telling me with FP's 1-4 and Q 1-2 finished and done, with only the race left to run they are not running race level or full tanks?? Please, GTFO.

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Not only do you fail to understand the effect of ambient conditions have on performance, but more stunningly your failure to understand the purpose and mindset for which riders go out during a practice session versus a race. I once watched a qualifying session where the lap times dropped so dramatically because the temperature rose in the last 3 mins. Realizing this, it didn't become who would be the fastest rider on pole but who got in the last lap! Documented fact. A one degree of difference for the latter completed lap was the difference in grid position.


Regarding your failure to understand the implications of 'PRACTICE' verses 'RACE': there are many factors you did not consider: race distance. The implications are legion. One of which is this little thing called tire management, it only quite often decides the winner of the race!

Please Papapozza, continue.

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Spam video don't click on it...

paparazzo said:

You think a 3 degree increase in air temp and a 7c increase in track temperature would result in lap times almost 2 seconds slower? You are telling me with FP's 1-4 and Q 1-2 finished and done, with only the race left to run they are not running race level or full tanks?? Please, GTFO.

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This is a perfect example of what i was talking about. You have all these Rossi boppers who can tell you what color underwear Rossi wears on different days of the week, but know next to nothing about the sport. Track temp is so vital, those of us who really follow the sport can pick winners based on it. The Yamaha favors a precise temp range to get the most out of their setup, while the Honda favors a completely different temp range to get the most out of their set up. Leave the technical aspects of GP to people who follow the sport, quck, tell me what Rossi's dogs name is.

paparazzo said:

You think a 3 degree increase in air temp and a 7c increase in track temperature would result in lap times almost 2 seconds slower? You are telling me with FP's 1-4 and Q 1-2 finished and done, with only the race left to run they are not running race level or full tanks?? Please, GTFO.

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povol said:

This is a perfect example of what i was talking about. You have all these Rossi boppers who can tell you what color underwear Rossi wears on different days of the week, but know next to nothing about the sport. Track temp is so vital, those of us who really follow the sport can pick winners based on it. The Yamaha favors a precise temp range to get the most out of their setup, while the Honda favors a completely different temp range to get the most out of their set up. Leave the technical aspects of GP to people who follow the sport, quck, tell me what Rossi's dogs name is.

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Povol beat me to it but YES! This 1000 times.

Paparozo, your post shows to me clearly you've never ever raced any vehicle to it's limit otherwise you'd know how vital track temperature is to tyre suppliers and teams. If it isn't why do they spend thousands on equipment to measure it? 7 degrees difference is huge.

Sure, he was on full tanks...did he do his best lap on the 2nd lap of his warmup? You tell me as you seem to be the expert.

Mr Squiggle said:

PS Wheres Talps? Slinked off into the background again.. I am sure he will pop up after DORNA/ROSSI win their next title comes Sunday week.

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Talps was here, got upset early in the Sepang thread, mentioned about better more unbiased forums and has not been back since although I suspect that he will return when the grand master wins #10.

Funny thing is, after mentioning those unbiased forums we have an influx of unbiased new members

JPSLotus said:

Incorrect.

We have a number of fairly smart people posting here.

What we don't need are the hordes of Rossi boppers coming here because no reasonable conversation can be had as we have already seen.

I like new members, I don't like stupid new members.

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Being far here JPS, some of the newer member are a tad more reasonable than the majority and can debate rather than abuse which is good as well, to those few I say welcome and enjoy as whilst there are some buttons being pushed, this is a fairer place than most

Jumkie said:

Hahaha no doubt bro. Rossi has been on a 'detractors vindication' binge. I think I'll send him flowers and a thank you card.

Yeah but your Oxford addition cut a bit deep. No worries though, as you know my skin is thick. Incidentally thanks to boppers (not to be confused with Rossi fans who are first fans of the sport--you here me Iowegian.) What you think of Papapozza 's sentiments of being treated rough around here? The world has been turned upside-down. The perversion has reached the heavens! When a Rossi fan feels he's being unjustly treated, oh lord can you image of he had been a Stoner fan?


Speaking of which, I am worried about Talpa. Go back to read his post to me. It won't be difficult to find, he LITERALLY cut and pasted it close to 10 times, where he expressed concern and suggested perhaps I stop watching (never had that one). I suspect they'll all come back after Rossi "wins" the title in Valencia.

But make no mistake, the 16 points Rossi was allowed to keep in light of his stunning act of deliberate defiance for the principles of competition, combined with the most brazen and spectacular display of incompetence and favoritism (even documented as admission in the Race Direction's report) is utterly illegitimate.

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Thing is up until Sepang I was really impressed with Rossis performance this year...to be riding like he has and competing against the new guys and leading the championship after what he has been through was admirable. I am happy to give credit where it was due.

I also thought he had turned a corner on a personal level after the events of Sepang 2013 and the Ducati experience.

Unfortunately after last race all that goodwill has evaporated and I am incensed the FIM would allow such unsporting and dangerous behaviour to go relatively unpunished.....

It wasnt that he took Marquez down at relatively slow speed - that usually results in no serious injuries in the majority of cases....but what if a following rider had rounded the corner at full speed during those shenanigans....the result could have been a similar incident to what we saw at Sepang 2 years earlier.

Rossi should know this better than anyone.

paparazzo said:

Really? Andrea agreed with VR and said he 'was playing with us'. So there may be some merit.

You know, it's funny. Everyone is so fixated on these 'comments' Rossi made. I watched the press conference. They were all asked about the race and if they watched it. VR credited MM for creating the situation. VR's words were not malicious and he was not portraying that in his body language or voice tone. From my observation, he seemed to be saying 'buddy, I know what you were trying to do, and I'm on it'. Maybe English not being his first language factored into how he may have come across. MM and JL were actually smiling and laughing mischievously. MM was actually trying to contain his laughter, and broke into laughter actually. So did the media, several time. The 4 of them did not look upset and neither did VR as he was speaking, he seemed like he was trying to make a joke of it but at the same time get his message across. He did not say it behind his back, where MM picked up a newspaper and had to read it, it was said with MM present. Maybe I'm terrible and reading people but I was surprised MM would supposedly be so angry when the 4 of them showed no signs of animosity at the press conference.

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Look, I have no axe to grind against Rossi or his fans, but I have to comment on your blatant embellishment of events. You claim to know what was in MM and JL's mind when they were laughing at the press conference and you wave your magic wand and claim they were laughing mischievously? Really?? I don't know for sure either but it sure looked to me like they were laughing because they thought he was joking, same for the press. But as VR kept talking the reaction slowly changed to incredulity (is he ....... serious??) and finally contempt (ah for ....'s sake, here we go again...). Either way, your argument is based on unsupported supposition masquerading as fact.

Clearly you are in fact completely .... at reading people, but also uninformed. The main developments in Rossi's thesis occurred after the joint press conference when MM was not present (i.e. Behind his ....... back!). Have you seen this video?

Rossi also accused him of thinking like a child and all kinds of other personal stuff. So, your assertion of "at least he didn't do it behind his back" is actually condemning the guy you are so clumsily defending, coz he ....... well did bag him behind his back. Ok?

Mate, do yourself a favour: get you facts straight and then limit your arguments to said facts, or at least qualify yourself by identifying the supposition in your arguments. In short, have some ....... discipline in your thinking. And most of all, refrain from offering opinions about stuff you know ....-all about. If you follow that advice... then, trust me, one day you will thank me for it

Cool Blue said:

Look, I have no axe to grind against Rossi or his fans, but I have to comment on your blatant embellishment of events. You claim to know what was in MM and JL's mind when they were laughing at the press conference and you wave your magic wand and claim they were laughing mischievously? Really?? I don't know for sure either but it sure looked to me like they were laughing because they thought he was joking, same for the press. But as VR kept talking the reaction slowly changed to incredulity (is he ....... serious??) and finally contempt (ah for ....'s sake, here we go again...). Either way, your argument is based on unsupported supposition masquerading as fact.

Clearly you are in fact absolute .... at reading people, but also uninformed. The main developments in Rossi's thesis occurred after the joint press conference when MM was not present (i.e. Behind his ....... back!). Have you seen [this video]( Rossi also accused him of thinking like a child and all kinds of other personal stuff. So, your assertion of "at least he didn't do it behind his back" is actually condemning the guy you are so clumsily defending, coz he ....... well did bag him behind his back.

Do yourself a favour: get you facts straight and then limit your arguments to said facts, or at least qualify yourself by identifying the supposition in your arguments. In short, have some discipline in your thinking. And most of all, refrain from offering opinions about stuff you know ....-all about. If you follow that advice, then one day you'll thank me for it

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Great Post!

It is the lack of critical thinking evident throughout the whole of society that has lead to many of the problems we currently face....

People simply arent equipped with the tools to properly disseminate information....Rossi Boppers are a perfect example of this phenomenon.

Cool Blue said:

Look, I have no axe to grind against Rossi or his fans, but I have to comment on your blatant embellishment of events. You claim to know what was in MM and JL's mind when they were laughing at the press conference and you wave your magic wand and claim they were laughing mischievously? Really?? I don't know for sure either but it sure looked to me like they were laughing because they thought he was joking, same for the press. But as VR kept talking the reaction slowly changed to incredulity (is he ....... serious??) and finally contempt (ah for ....'s sake, here we go again...). Either way, your argument is based on unsupported supposition masquerading as fact.

Clearly you are in fact absolute completely .... at reading people, but also uninformed. The main developments in Rossi's thesis occurred after the joint press conference when MM was not present (i.e. Behind his ....... back!). Have you seen [this video]( Rossi also accused him of thinking like a child and all kinds of other personal stuff. So, your assertion of "at least he didn't do it behind his back" is actually condemning the guy you are so clumsily defending, coz he ....... well did bag him behind his back.

Mate, do yourself a favour: get you facts straight and then limit your arguments to said facts, or at least qualify yourself by identifying the supposition in your arguments. In short, have some ....... discipline in your thinking. And most of all, refrain from offering opinions about stuff you know ....-all about. If you follow that advice... then, trust me, one day you will thank me for it

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A pleasure to read!

Your ability to articulate a point is word ..... Not to mention precisely accurate.

I think you should change your name to "Cool Bro".

paparazzo said:

Really...

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Papapozza, please continue to post man, I beg of you. What other opinions would you like to present? In detail please. And...is there a PO box I can send you some flowers and a thank you note. You have provided much entertainment.

Fresh rumours are Lorenzo and Ianonne will swap places! Massive fall out with VR and JL as expected!!

Mr Squiggle said:

Great Post!

It is the lack of critical thinking evident throughout the whole of society that has lead to many of the problems we currently face....

People simply arent equipped with the tools to properly disseminate information....Rossi Boppers are a perfect example of this phenomenon.

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My thought as well. Apparently disagreeing with a post and giving reasons for doing so, the whole reason forums exist as far as this old fossil had been aware previously, is disrespectful. Perhaps the conventions are different on Facebook.

michaelm said:

My thought as well. Apparently disagreeing with a post and giving reasons for doing so, the whole reason forums exist as far as this old fossil had been aware previously, is disrespectful. Perhaps the conventions are different on Facebook.

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Wouldn't know Mike....dont do facebook

The thinking some people use to arrive at a particular conclusion is baffling to say the least but much of the discourse we see here isnt driven by thinking at all....

Rather it is due to people having emotionally invested so much in their heroes success, whoever they may be, and is simply about losing face when they are seen to have "feet of clay" as Krops put it so eloquently.

Mr Squiggle said:

Wouldn't know Mike....dont do facebook

The thinking some people use to arrive at a particular conclusion is baffling to say the least but much of the discourse we see here isnt driven by thinking at all....

Rather it is due to people having emotionally invested so much in their heroes success, whoever they may be, and is simply about losing face when they are seen to have "feet of clay" as Krops put it so eloquently.

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It's not that baffling really... Belief is the death of reason.
It's so much easier to luxuriate in belief than to face the challenge of the mental discipline and constraints of reasoning.
It's a bit like mental masturbation...

Cool Blue said:

It's not that baffling really... Belief is the death of reason.
It's so much easier to luxuriate in belief than to face the challenge of the mental discipline and constraints of reasoning.
It's a bit like mental masturbation...

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Not everything is black and white though and belief or faith in a certain principle is fine UNLESS evidence contradicts said belief....

For example some disciplines within science require as much faith as any religion....The Multiverse / String Theory being a prime example.

Occams Razor is a good starting point to weed out most fallacies but belief is sometimes all we've got...it only gets dangerous when belief trumps fact.

Mr Squiggle said:

Wouldn't know Mike....dont do facebook

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Ditto. Hence "perhaps".