Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo

payne by name · Oct 29, 2015

hawkdriver said:
They should .... can him for simply not being able to beat MM. Why pay the guy top money when his best isn't good enough and he offers nothing else to the team. You can also tell the guy is a diva crybaby by the way he behaves himself, that press conference was disturbing compared to the way Pedrosa handled himself. Yamaha doesn't need the grid pariah, he needs them.
Let him go to any other team to not win while you start pushing younger talent and still retain the top draw rider for sponsorship $$$. Jlo knows this is it, MM showed him at PI what next year will look like so now he has to do anything to get this championship, including not earning it on the track. "Disqualify Rossi so I can be champion", lol, what a ....... ..... for even thinking something so ridiculous and forgetting this is a business that allows him the luxury to ride a motorcycle professionally. We are the customers jlo, and we don't want to see you win the championship like that. We also don't want to see little MM disturbing the championship, Rossi and jlo had a history and it should have been allowed to play itself out, it will now end up being the most ...... up year ever and this isn't the kind of crap people want to pay good money for.
Repsol also need to be put in their place just like the manufacturers were, know your place and stfu. The sport will live on because we want to watch it, not because you have more money than us. ....... Spaniards are some cry babies.

That we are and we'd like to see some racing please rather than tedious processional racing where everyone gets out of the way of a rider that you seem to believe can't handle himself on the track.

As a customer, I don't want to see someone prematurely ending what was some wonderful exciting entertainment because they couldn't handle the heat.

"They should .... can him for simply not being able to beat MM" - Are you referring to Lorenzo or every rider that has been unable to beat MM, which obviously includes Rossi?

"....... Spaniards are some cry babies" - This comment is priceless. Wasn't it Rossi that started all of this by crying about some conspiracy?

payne by name · Oct 29, 2015

michaelm said:
That is actually pretty much my point. Jorge's early race prowess is an advantage he has due to his particular talents, and no less legitimate than the advantage Valentino's greater talent for wet weather riding gives him imo. I can't see why anyone is obliged to let Valentino run his ideal race strategy.

Absolutely spot on with that.

#22 · Oct 29, 2015

Jumkie said:
Quoted for future reference.

That would be epic...

High Side said:
Stop acting like Rossi hit MM at 200mph down the straight causing MM to high side and get severely hurt for christ sakes. Yeah, Rossi put him off his line and caused him to crash. I agree that it was lame what he did.

Suppose I drive my car at someone, lets say for arguments sake a Police Officer. Whether it's at 5mph or 40mph it;s the same deal: It's called assault with a deadly weapon and you can get 20 years for that ..... The speed has nothing to do with it, for the intent was the same.

"An act of violence" Dude give me a ....... break! Have you looked back at how MM has taken out multiple people during his career?

Yes, and most times he has been punished. The Willairot incident for one saw him put to the back of the grid, just as Rossi has been for Valencia.

paparazzo said:
You are correct. It happened to Michael Schumacher and you were also probably dropped on your head as a baby hence your ........ posts. Since this incident has consumed your entire life at the moment and you're trying so hard to ram your opinion down everyone's throat, what do you think an appropriate punishment should be for VR? Race ban? Licence suspension? Jail time since you've called him a 'criminal'?

An observation I've made, the higher the post count the bigger the ...... It's usually pretty accurate.

What you don't understand Paparazzo, is the long term implications of this. Both Jumkie and myself and many others here race or are involved with the junior categories of racing. This behaviour sets a precedent. Kids see this .... and in the case of VR, riders getting off lightly and as a result think it's ok to do it. Then in 5 years time you get every rider doing it.

If Rossi got a black flag, or a one race ban. You can be sure as .... neither he, nor any other rider would pull that stunt again, because the penalty would be so great. It's why drug dealers get such long sentences, to try and put off other potential dealers from getting into it.

paparazzo said:
I'm engaging you for that reason.

Black flagged and a few races ban. MM crashed into him and he couldn't hold on and fell. I dunno, I thought anyone posting on a motogp forum almost 10x a day for many years straight would want to see it go down to the wire. What does a black flag/race ban achieve other than an anti climax to a great season and pissing off tens of millions of fans everywhere who want to see the title decided on the track and not by some official in a white motgp shirt. As a Canadian taxpayer, my pension is heavily invested in this show. Obviously, you prefer the title to be decided in the stewards room rather than see it go down to the wire. Besides, how else to boost your post count if VR was banned for Valencia?

You're having a go and Jumkie, when it should be Rossi you are pissed at. He conciously made a decision for which he must have known he'd get punished for. HE has robbed you of the title decider you craved, no one else.

frizzle said:
So are you saying rider safety is irrelevant because we want to see the championship go down to the wire? I guess it's no holds barred on rules now then?
He got off lightly under the circumstances. Not sure others in the field would have been granted the same consideration. I understand his frustration at MM engaging him when he wanted to set out after Lorenzo. But what he did was way out of line.

They don't care frizzle, they'd be happy for other riders to die as long as VR wins.

Jumkie said:
Let me get this straight, Lorenzo should be fired because he can't beat Marquez? Thats your first sentence right? I see you don't do math so good. Guess which of the two has more wins, and points this year? You have a 50/50 of getting it right.

"Diva crybaby by the way he behaves himself." I can tell you it was dignified by comparison to Rossi this last event, even if you want to be a 'crybaby' about it (ah the irony ) that Lorenzo rightfully called ........ on Race Direction (even if you disagree don't make you right.) Uhm...I take it you didn't see the comical epic mental breakdown Rossi just made us witness? Awkward.

So Lorenzo would not be "earning it on the track?" Thats interesting, because Rossi quite LITERALLY decided it OFF the track! I take it you don't think Rossi should have been disqualified. Of course not right? Lorenzo is so wrong on this point. What are rules for? Hey, Lorenzo, cut the chicane if Rossi gets to close, Rossi fans don't care about rules. Nor hard racing for that matter.

"Rossi and Lorenzo have a history" and it should be decided between them, right? Yeah, Rossi agrees, that's why he went around "tongue lashing " (thanks Povol) all those mean guys like Pedrosa and his buddy Iannone for....Get this, RACING him. That's just wrong, this should be decided by Lorenzo and Rossi ONLY. Every one else, get the hell out if tge way! They have "history" as you say. Oddly enough part of that history is Rossi racing him hard, Motegi 10, when VR had .... all to do with the title. Oh wait, you'd forgot about that. Well, Rossi did too, hence his amusing melt down, you know like a "diva crybaby" accusing Marquez of...get this, RACING him.

People "pay good money to watch" racing. Sounds like you and others think you pay money for Dorna to hand Rossi titles, or as you express, nobody should "disturb" the contenders, well except when Rossi did this very exact ....... thing at Motegi 10.

Hey dude, welcome back. Don't forget to put change in the parking meter, I don't want your waaambulance to get towed away.

LOVE IT!

Xplosiv27 · Oct 29, 2015

HI all, I may not have watched every motogp but I have been watching Rossis come through the ranks and I recon I lost some respect for him when he took Sete out of the race, also said he would try to make sure he never wins again.You all remember that right, maybe not it was along time ago. He did do as he said and bye bye Sete. Many years of no real challengers easy titles then along came Pedrosa, Jorge, Simoncelli and the great Stoner all threats to his title so like with Sete Rossis went about trying to destroy the career of any new challengers. We all remember he used his bike as a weapon again pushing and intimidating riders and killing one with his from wheel RIP Simoncelli. I think Rossis would have won had Stoner pedrosa Jorge not been there.
So why would think kicking a young and more talented rider off his bike would not be a problem because like every other time the governing body will make sure he gets away with it.

I am not going into who hit who as most of the repliers for Rossis have no idea about bikes and how they work but just that Rossis said I didn't do it.

Thanks For the .... Memories Rossis.

#22 · Oct 29, 2015

Xplosiv27 said:
HI all, I may not have watched every motogp but I have been watching Rossis come through the ranks and I recon I lost some respect for him when he took Sete out of the race, also said he would try to make sure he never wins again.You all remember that right, maybe not it was along time ago. He did do as he said and bye bye Sete. Many years of no real challengers easy titles then along came Pedrosa, Jorge, Simoncelli and the great Stoner all threats to his title so like with Sete Rossis went about trying to destroy the career of any new challengers. We all remember he used his bike as a weapon again pushing and intimidating riders and killing one with his from wheel RIP Simoncelli. I think Rossis would have won had Stoner pedrosa Jorge not been there.
So why would think kicking a young and more talented rider off his bike would not be a problem because like every other time the governing body will make sure he gets away with it.

Thanks For the .... Memories Rossis.

I am not a Rossi fan, but I think even the most hardened anti Rossi activist would say that is below the belt. It was pure tragic coincidence that Rossi was the one who got caught up in Simoncelli's accident, I think that comment is uncalled for.

paparazzo · Oct 29, 2015

#22 said:
What you don't understand Paparazzo, is the long term implications of this. Both Jumkie and myself and many others here race or are involved with the junior categories of racing. This behaviour sets a precedent. Kids see this .... and in the case of VR, riders getting off lightly and as a result think it's ok to do it. Then in 5 years time you get every rider doing it.

Calm down calm down, you're hysterical. You and the other guy with 20,000 posts can use all the adjectives you want, your 2000 word essays in every post and anti VR campaign isn't going to convince me of what I clearly saw. The notion that this will 'set a precedent' is preposterous. You claim to 'race' yet you would have no problem with a rider riding over the limit to induce a crash from you, because this was clearly MM was doing. Senna torpedoed out Prost @ Suzuka in 1990 at well over 250kph that he admitted was 100% deliberate and 100% justified yet I don't see today's generation of F1 drivers doing that. What precedent did that set? Oh that's right, none. If VR wanted to really punt off MM he could have just stuffed it on the inside as MM was leaning and just bump him off, kinda like MM wanted to (intentionally) do at Assen but backfired when Rossi held it together. Calling an incident that happened @ 30kph using terms like 'criminal, dangerous, assault, malicious' and all other outrageous adjectives makes both of you look less credible and biased with every post.

#22 · Oct 29, 2015

Ok here's a challenge old chap...you find a single post where I used the words "Criminal, Assault, Malicious" and get back to me.

I am perfectly calm, and not the one who joined a forum solely to protest a riders claimed innocence. And it is your OPINION that MM was trying to cause a crash, lets see you back that up with some facts

Xplosiv27 · Oct 29, 2015

#22 said:
I am not a Rossi fan, but I think even the most hardened anti Rossi activist would say that is below the belt. It was pure tragic coincidence that Rossi was the one who got caught up in Simoncelli's accident, I think that comment is uncalled for.

My point was not the death of Simoncelli but that some riders use the bike like a weapon and sometimes an accident can kill, so what if it is not an accident and someone dies.

Mick D · Oct 29, 2015

#22 said:
Suppose I drive my car at someone, lets say for arguments sake a Police Officer. Whether it's at 5mph or 40mph it;s the same deal: It's called assault with a deadly weapon and you can get 20 years for that ..... The speed has nothing to do with it, for the intent was the same.

Hmmmmm....

In NYC if you are comfortably ensconced in an SUV but you are 'scared' of the riders 'dirty tricks' around you, you are legally allowed to use your SUV as a battering ram to run over as many riders as you can until your fear abates or the riders catch you and start beating your vehicle with helmets... result - only the riders get a penalty, scared SUV pilots get a walk...

paparazzo · Oct 29, 2015

#22 said:
Ok here's a challenge old chap...you find a single post where I used the words "Criminal, Assault, Malicious" and get back to me.

I am perfectly calm, and not the one who joined a forum solely to protest a riders claimed innocence. And it is your OPINION that MM was trying to cause a crash, lets see you back that up with some facts

It was the junkie guy who used those adjectives but you also claimed it was dangerous. I joined the forum simply to add some needed balance to some of the ........ hysteria in here. It is my opinion that MM was trying to induce a crash since his race had zero meaning, it's fairly obvious to anyone watching. Had it not been for VR sitting up several times and lifting off when MM chopped across, this forum would be up in arms about how MM was out of line and was racing too hard.

Now I have a challenge for you, please explain how this will set a 'precedent' as you boldly underlined. Doohan/Criville, VR/Sete, Rainey/Scwantz, VR/Biaggi all had some pretty questionable battles. This is nothing but a low speed incident that wouldn't even be discussed had MM not dropped the bike.

#22 · Oct 29, 2015

Mick D said:
Hmmmmm....

In NYC if you are comfortably ensconced in an SUV but you are 'scared' of the riders 'dirty tricks' around you, you are legally allowed to use your SUV as a battering ram to run over as many riders as you can until your fear abates or the riders catch you and start beating your vehicle with helmets... result - only the riders get a penalty, scared SUV pilots get a walk...

I think that one splits opinion. But I was saying more if you drove a car at someone without provacation. Theres an argument in the case above for provocation/self defense. I know it won't sit well with you, but I sure as .... know if I had my wife and baby in a car and a load of bikers started trying to get in, I'd have done whatever it took to get them outta there.

paparazzo said:
It was the junkie guy who used those adjectives but you also claimed it was dangerous. I joined the forum simply to add some needed balance to some of the ........ hysteria in here. It is my opinion that MM was trying to induce a crash since his race had zero meaning, it's fairly obvious to anyone watching. Had it not been for VR sitting up several times and lifting off when MM chopped across, this forum would be up in arms about how MM was out of line and was racing too hard.

Now I have a challenge for you, please explain how this will set a 'precedent' as you boldly underlined. Doohan/Criville, VR/Sete, Rainey/Scwantz, VR/Biaggi all had some pretty questionable battles. This is nothing but a low speed incident that wouldn't even be discussed had MM not dropped the bike.

This forum is actually mostly well balanced. If you look at most of the new members since Sunday you'll find they are the ones enciting mass hysteria..for Rossi.

Ok great, thanks. I'm glad you asked:

Marc Marquez.

Marc grew up idolising Rossi, and the tactics he used on Sunday (To immediately re-pass a rider thats passed him to disrupt rhythm) was started by? You guessed it. Valentino Rossi.

Suddenly, a tactic that Rossi developed and is used to hail him as a hard racer, when used against him, is dangerous riding.

Jerez 05?

Jerez 13, SAME CORNER

2013-motogp-no-penalty-for-marquez-for-jerez-incident-video-59017_1.jpg

Spot the difference...there is none.

Rossi did it and got away with it, therefore Marquez (who idolised Rossi and aspired to be like him) decided to do the same thing knowing he would get away with it. THERE'S YOUR PRECEDENT.

And the low speed thing is ........, in any of these incidents it was possible to end up with an injury.

Stefan Bradl, Sepang 2013. Low side accident at T1 (A SLOWER CORNER than T14). A harmless low side which snapped his ankle when it got caught in the astroturf:

2013-mal-mgp-fp4-act-bradl-crash.big.jpg

#22 · Oct 29, 2015

paparazzo said:
Now I have a challenge for you, please explain how this will set a 'precedent' as you boldly underlined. Doohan/Criville, VR/Sete, Rainey/Scwantz, VR/Biaggi all had some pretty questionable battles. This is nothing but a low speed incident that wouldn't even be discussed had MM not dropped the bike.

I just realised that as I expected, you totally glossed over my request to back up your allegations with factual evidence.

Arrabbiata1 · Oct 29, 2015

Cool Blue said:
See? same words, different meaning. All you have to do is rearrange them to align with your prejudices and... happy days!

JUMDICKERY
jumˈdiːcerie(ə)l/
verb informal

speak or act in an evasive or provocative way.
"he resorted to jumdickery when journalists asked pointed questions"

propagandhi · Oct 29, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
JUMDICKERY
jumˈdiːcerie(ə)l/
verb informal

speak or act in an evasive or provocative way.
"he resorted to jumdickery when journalists asked pointed questions"

i take my earlier nomination back.
post of the year and post of the decade.

Mick D · Oct 29, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
JUMDICKERY
jumˈdiːcerie(ə)l/
verb informal

speak or act in an evasive or provocative way.
"he resorted to jumdickery when journalists asked pointed questions"

Hey, wait a minute... you and Mr. Squig need to get together on this definition...

Mr Squiggle said:
Jumdickery to be officially added to the Oxford/Websters etc dictionaries ASAP.

Jumdickery....verb

1. The ability to incite hatred in others on motorcycle racing forums

2. to cause an angry, harmful, or violent reaction or feeling due to incessant nagging of those who harbour an alternative view.

3. The ability to profer an alternate version of reality based entirely on viable conspiracy theories.

Mr Squiggle · Oct 29, 2015

Mick D said:
Hey, wait a minute... you and Mr. Squig need to get together on this definition...

Great minds think alike hey Arrab...

PS Copyright infringement notice sent via Willski mail

paparazzo · Oct 29, 2015

#22 said:
I just realised that as I expected, you totally glossed over my request to back up your allegations with factual evidence.

How about MM being fastest in the warmup. A lap just over 2'00.186, over .300 faster than Jorge and over half a second faster than VR. He did 7 laps, all except 2 are under 2'01, the single 2'02 lap was in traffic. This is a fact. Three hours later in identical track conditions his quickest lap is 2'00.818 (lap2), the rest are over a second slower and the lap he let Jorge through was 2'02. This is also a fact. Low 2 minute laps were no problem all weekend, (another fact) yet in the race he's struggling somehow to do 2'02's and he can't pull away? Yeah ok....

WVMotoGP99 · Oct 29, 2015

paparazzo said:
How about MM being fastest in the warmup. A lap just over 2'00.186, over .300 faster than Jorge and over half a second faster than VR. He did 7 laps, all except 2 are under 2'01, the single 2'02 lap was in traffic. This is a fact. Three hours later in identical track conditions his quickest lap is 2'00.818 (lap2), the rest are over a second slower and the lap he let Jorge through was 2'02. This is also a fact. Low 2 minute laps were no problem all weekend, (another fact) yet in the race he's struggling somehow to do 2'02's and he can't pull away? Yeah ok....

Yeah.. And.. .... changes over 3 hours..

Temp changes, track changes..

Did you happen to see him about crash, which let George pass him easily get a gap and let Rossi catch up??

Then times where about the same after.. Running around 2.01, with Rossi, which is a good time when fighting for position.

Truthfully, did you watch the entire race or just see bits on replay?

Gaz · Oct 29, 2015

paparazzo said:
How about MM being fastest in the warmup. A lap just over 2'00.186, over .300 faster than Jorge and over half a second faster than VR. He did 7 laps, all except 2 are under 2'01, the single 2'02 lap was in traffic. This is a fact. Three hours later in identical track conditions his quickest lap is 2'00.818 (lap2), the rest are over a second slower and the lap he let Jorge through was 2'02. This is also a fact. Low 2 minute laps were no problem all weekend, (another fact) yet in the race he's struggling somehow to do 2'02's and he can't pull away? Yeah ok....

Do me a favour.

At around 11:30am your time, please leave the comfort of the chair and open the front door. Do you have means of checking the outside ambient temperature?

Now, take a few steps outside until you come to the road. Now look right, look left then look right again (if in the US please look left/right and then left again) so that when no cars are coming you step onto the roadway.

Now, squat down, get on your knees and place your cheek onto the road surface ........ not that cheek, I meant the one on your face.

Remember that feeling

Now, stand up, go back into the house and sit in that comfy chair.

Let 3 hours pass and then repeat the step, get out of the chair, open the door, walk outside, check that ambient outside temperature again and place your cheek (I will not tell you twice ... not that one) onto the pavement.

Now, remember the feeling of 3 hours prior to now, there will be a different feeling as to the road surface, hotter or colder, the outside ambient will have changed as will wind direction or strength.

Conditions vary throughout the day and as such the impacts of those conditions vary

On a hot day, the first time the cheek might have felt ok but 3 hours later it may have burnt and so on
.

ReddiWhip · Oct 29, 2015

Jumkie said:
Anyway, I read ReddiWhip ' s take on it, and frankly he's moved me to see the point.

You're the only person I've moved all week. Oh well, if you can move just one I guess.

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