Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo

Arrabbiata1 said:

JUMDICKERY
jumˈdiːcerie(ə)l/
verb informal

speak or act in an evasive or provocative way.
"he resorted to jumdickery when journalists asked pointed questions"

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ARRABBIATION

The process of quoting someone out of context and redirecting said quote at an individual that it was not originally directed at

...I can't be arsed with the upside down letters and .... and anyway, yours is a ....... NOUN in fact not a VERB.

Just for the record and to be clear, my original comments were not directed at Jumkie.

Have a nice day.

Lorenzo should lose his ride. What he did to his team mate is unacceptable. He walks for Yamaha and took the side of Honda. In what business or sport would you not get the sack.

63Degrees said:

Lorenzo should lose his ride. What he did to his team mate is unacceptable. He walks for Yamaha and took the side of Honda. In what business or sport would you not get the sack.

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Perhaps in a sport where your team mate is the World Champion elect with a few rounds and when your team (Yamaha) are fighting for the teams title but you still go out of your way to put a few hard passes on the World Champion elect that nearly caused him to fall

Sure there were a few races left for him to make up any points, as well as your team but hey, all is good with the world

Oh, and the perpetrator was not in championship contention and was not sacked, but did leave of their own choice only to return a few years later with tail between legs

paparazzo said:

How about MM being fastest in the warmup. A lap just over 2'00.186, over .300 faster than Jorge and over half a second faster than VR. He did 7 laps, all except 2 are under 2'01, the single 2'02 lap was in traffic. This is a fact. Three hours later in identical track conditions his quickest lap is 2'00.818 (lap2), the rest are over a second slower and the lap he let Jorge through was 2'02. This is also a fact. Low 2 minute laps were no problem all weekend, (another fact) yet in the race he's struggling somehow to do 2'02's and he can't pull away? Yeah ok....

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Identical?

Warmup:
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 32º| Humidity: 55%| Ground: 40º

Race
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 35º| Humidity: 48%| Ground: 47º

In case you aren't good at maths. thats a 3ºC increase in air temperature, 7ºC increase in track temps and a 7% reduction in humidity. You also have no idea of his fuel level in the warmup and also his best lap was done with no traffic.

Also, the lap he 'let jorge through' was the lap he made 2 mistakes...running wide at T4 and T15.

Go home little boy....

63Degrees said:

Lorenzo should lose his ride. What he did to his team mate is unacceptable. He walks for Yamaha and took the side of Honda. In what business or sport would you not get the sack.

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And you can go back to Crash.net. Hell I guess at least you didn't start a new thread to say that.

#22 said:

Identical?

Warmup:
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 32º| Humidity: 55%| Ground: 40º

Race
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 35º| Humidity: 48%| Ground: 47º

In case you aren't good at maths. thats a 3ºC increase in air temperature, 7ºC increase in track temps and a 7% reduction in humidity. You also have no idea of his fuel level in the warmup and also his best lap was done with no traffic.

Also, the lap he 'let jorge through' was the lap he made 2 mistakes...running wide at T4 and T15.

Go home little boy....

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You think a 3 degree increase in air temp and a 7c increase in track temperature would result in lap times almost 2 seconds slower? You are telling me with FP's 1-4 and Q 1-2 finished and done, with only the race left to run they are not running race level or full tanks?? Please, GTFO.

#22 said:

Identical?

Warmup:
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 32º| Humidity: 55%| Ground: 40º

Race
Track Condition: Dry| Air: 35º| Humidity: 48%| Ground: 47º

In case you aren't good at maths. thats a 3ºC increase in air temperature, 7ºC increase in track temps and a 7% reduction in humidity. You also have no idea of his fuel level in the warmup and also his best lap was done with no traffic.

Also, the lap he 'let jorge through' was the lap he made 2 mistakes...running wide at T4 and T15.

Go home little boy....

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Papapizza does not understand the word "identical".

What's more obvious, he doesn't understand the principles of the sport. He thinks Marquez was a bad man for...get this, RACING Rossi with "determination", "almost contact" (AKA cleanly) and "14 passes in 2 laps" (almost of them clean) as proof Marquez was up to something evil.

Those are ACTUAL QUOTE and attempts a logical reasoning. So by his standards there lots of shenanigans by riders over the years, prominently among them would be Rossi himself!


That my friend is the perversion these people have reached.

Cool Blue said:

ARRABBIATION

The process of quoting someone out of context and redirecting said quote at an individual that it was not originally directed at

...I can't be arsed with the upside down letters and .... and anyway, yours is a ....... NOUN in fact not a VERB.

Just for the record and to be clear, my original comments were not directed at Jumkie.

Have a nice day.

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Cool!

There is one more correction if you will good sir.

Mr. Squiggle:

Mr Squiggle said:

Theres gold in them thar posts....

Jumdickery to be officially added to the Oxford/Websters etc dictionaries ASAP.

Jumdickery....verb

1. The ability to incite hatred in others on motorcycle racing forums

2. to cause an angry, harmful, or violent reaction or feeling due to incessant nagging of those who harbour an alternative view.

3. The ability to profer an alternate version of reality based entirely on viable conspiracy theories.

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This in reaction to an APOLOGY I offered Kropotkin. Jumdickery, a term i coined to use self depricating humor. Which I guess going with the theme of perversions of the sport has now reached the perceptions of honest debate where even an apology is suspected of being provocation.

'LMFAO', LMAO', & or 'LOL'.

Button please.

Jumkie said:

Papapizza does not understand the word "identical".

What's more obvious, he doesn't understand the principles of the sport. He thinks Marquez was a bad man for...get this, RACING Rossi with "determination", "almost contact" (AKA cleanly) and "14 passes in 2 laps" (almost of them clean) as proof Marquez was up to something evil.

Those are ACTUAL QUOTE and attempts a logical reasoning. So by his standards there lots of shenanigans by riders over the years, prominently among them would be Rossi himself!


That my friend is the perversion these people have reached.

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Junkie, kindly post a race where riders passed each other 14 times in 2 laps at the beginning of a race. Actually, I'll make it easier for you. Post any race where riders passed each other 14 times at any part of the race? Refresh my memory, I am getting old. If I pass in turn 9 on lap 3, why do I need to get in front again at turn 11 and then again at turn 12 or 13 if there is barely any room and needing to chop across a rivals front wheel? What is the point other than to antagonize and create the risk of a crash? Explain.

paparazzo said:

Junkie, kindly post a race where riders passed each other 14 times in 2 laps at the beginning of a race. Actually, I'll make it easier for you. Post any race where riders passed each other 14 times at any part of the race? Refresh my memory, I am getting old. If I pass in turn 9 on lap 3, why do I need to get in front again at turn 11 and then again at turn 12 or 13 if there is barely any room and needing to chop across a rivals front wheel? What is the point other than to antagonize and create the risk of a crash? Explain.

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I already answered your question in the thread you posted it. Answer : Sepang 2015.

My explination for such a " suspicious activity" is simple : Marc Marquez wanted to BEAT Valentino Rossi, real real bad. Where did such motivation come from? Because Valentino Rossi accused him of falsehoods.

The perversion you and everyone who shares this opinion is simple, you have thought wanting to BEAT Rossi as TOYING with Rossi. The difference is PIVOTAL! Marc didn't want Rossi ahead of him for not even 1 second. He wanted to BEAT him that bad. Again, with good reason, Valentino had just questioned his integrity.


BEAT HIM does not equate .... WITH HIM.

Jumkie said:

Papapizza does not understand the word "identical".

What's more obvious, he doesn't understand the principles of the sport. He thinks Marquez was a bad man for...get this, RACING Rossi with "determination", "almost contact" (AKA cleanly) and "14 passes in 2 laps" (almost of them clean) as proof Marquez was up to something evil.

Those are ACTUAL QUOTE and attempts a logical reasoning. So by his standards there lots of shenanigans by riders over the years, prominently among them would be Rossi himself!


That my friend is the perversion these people have reached.

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.... me Jumkie I am stupefied at the stupidity of these people....are we still dreaming?

Jumkie said:

I already answered your question in the thread you posted it. Answer : Sepang 2015.

My explination for such a " suspicious activity" is simple : Marc Marquez wanted to BEAT Valentino Rossi, real real bad. Where did such motivation come from? Because Valentino Rossi accused him of falsehoods.

The perversion you and everyone who shares this opinion is simple, you have thought wanting to BEAT Rossi as TOYING with Rossi. The difference is PIVOTAL! Marc didn't want Rossi ahead of him for not even 1 second. He wanted to BEAT him that bad. Again, with good reason, Valentino had just questioned his integrity.


BEAT HIM does not equate .... WITH HIM.

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Really? Andrea agreed with VR and said he 'was playing with us'. So there may be some merit.

You know, it's funny. Everyone is so fixated on these 'comments' Rossi made. I watched the press conference. They were all asked about the race and if they watched it. VR credited MM for creating the situation. VR's words were not malicious and he was not portraying that in his body language or voice tone. From my observation, he seemed to be saying 'buddy, I know what you were trying to do, and I'm on it'. Maybe English not being his first language factored into how he may have come across. MM and JL were actually smiling and laughing mischievously. MM was actually trying to contain his laughter, and broke into laughter actually. So did the media, several time. The 4 of them did not look upset and neither did VR as he was speaking, he seemed like he was trying to make a joke of it but at the same time get his message across. He did not say it behind his back, where MM picked up a newspaper and had to read it, it was said with MM present. Maybe I'm terrible and reading people but I was surprised MM would supposedly be so angry when the 4 of them showed no signs of animosity at the press conference.

But his comments to the press removed any doubt that he was joking in any way.

Jumkie said:

I already answered your question in the thread you posted it. Answer : Sepang 2015.

My explination for such a " suspicious activity" is simple : Marc Marquez wanted to BEAT Valentino Rossi, real real bad. Where did such motivation come from? Because Valentino Rossi accused him of falsehoods.

The perversion you and everyone who shares this opinion is simple, you have thought wanting to BEAT Rossi as TOYING with Rossi. The difference is PIVOTAL! Marc didn't want Rossi ahead of him for not even 1 second. He wanted to BEAT him that bad. Again, with good reason, Valentino had just questioned his integrity.


BEAT HIM does not equate .... WITH HIM.

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You're conveniently starting your argument with Rossi's accusations at PI when that really isn't the start of the tension. Marc questioned Rossi's integrity when he accused Rossi of intentionally setting him up in Argentina and again at Assen. The tension between the two grew very personal after those accusations.

It doesn't matter what you nor I believe when it comes to Marc aiming to toy with Rossi instead of beat him. It's Race Direction's opinion that matters and they said they found evidence that Marc wasn't just racing.

Mr Squiggle said:

.... me Jumkie I am stupefied at the stupidity of these people....are we still dreaming?

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Me too. There's been a lot of Jumdickery going on around here. Eh? Hahaha

Casey Stoner's retirement has become a little more clear as in it?

Good to see you back.

(Btw, your addition to the Oxford Dictionary. Are you still mad at me about something? )

paparazzo said:

Really? Andrea agreed with VR and said he 'was playing with us'. So there may be some merit.

You know, it's funny. Everyone is so fixated on these 'comments' Rossi made. I watched the press conference. They were all asked about the race and if they watched it. VR credited MM for creating the situation. VR's words were not malicious and he was not portraying that in his body language or voice tone. From my observation, he seemed to be saying 'buddy, I know what you were trying to do, and I'm on it'. Maybe English not being his first language factored into how he may have come across. MM and JL were actually smiling and laughing mischievously. MM was actually trying to contain his laughter, and broke into laughter actually. So did the media, several time. The 4 of them did not look upset and neither did VR as he was speaking, he seemed like he was trying to make a joke of it but at the same time get his message across. He did not say it behind his back, where MM picked up a newspaper and had to read it, it was said with MM present. Maybe I'm terrible and reading people but I was surprised MM would supposedly be so angry when the 4 of them showed no signs of animosity at the press conference.

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Thank you for writing this, I credit you for being the first attempt at REVISION.

Hey guys, maybe Rossi was just kidding the whole time. Crap, the rush to social media outlets, thousands of posts, petitions, and general gnashing of teeth was an overreaction.

Jumkie said:

Me too. There's been a lot of Jumdickery going on around here. Eh? Hahaha

Casey Stoner's retirement has become a little more clear as in it?

Good to see you back.

(Btw, your addition to the Oxford Dictionary. Are you still mad at me about something? )

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Yes, now we are all stupid because we don't share the same views as the little boys club (and anti VR) that is this forum. This was a glorious chance to get and keep a bunch of new posters, also a great chance to raise your post count but most won't be back as soon as the season is over. No wonder this place is absolutely dead.

Jumkie said:

Me too. There's been a lot of Jumdickery going on around here. Eh? Hahaha

Casey Stoner's retirement has become a little more clear as in it?

Good to see you back.

(Btw, your addition to the Oxford Dictionary. Are you still mad at me about something? )

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Stoner is dare I say enjoying the fruits of his retirement...well deserved too. Probably snagging a few Barra somewhere in the top end while nursing the wounds from his last foray into racing.

Nah bro not mad about anything....just pushing your buttons. I learnt from the master

Not worth getting too worked up over a few words on an internet forum is it....much better things to do with your time as you well know.

PS Wheres Talps? Slinked off into the background again.. I am sure he will pop up after DORNA/ROSSI win their next title comes Sunday week.

Yamaha dropping Jorge for Vale (or anybody of that age) is pure bullsh*t. Jorge is not the youngest in the paddock but still has some years in his, while Vale is almost leaving.
Somebody had the most stupid idea in Japan or this is pure bullsh*t from media.

moto vudu said:

You're conveniently starting your argument with Rossi's accusations at PI when that really isn't the start of the tension. Marc questioned Rossi's integrity when he accused Rossi of intentionally setting him up in Argentina and again at Assen. The tension between the two grew very personal after those accusations.

It doesn't matter what you nor I believe when it comes to Marc aiming to toy with Rossi instead of beat him. It's Race Direction's opinion that matters and they said they found evidence that Marc wasn't just racing.

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Hey let's go back further than that. Since everything is suspect. Maybe that tension started 2 years ago when Marcos dominated the MotoGP season and this angered Rossi. If you're gonna,connect dots, lets connect dots them. Maybe all those records Marquez broke angered Rossi and all that jealousy has festered in his mind and resulting in him setting out to show us he is still the boss by racing Marco with such "determination" an act of suspicion ) at Argentina and Assen. An easy case to make as Rossi was privy to Marc's rising popularity, an endless look of highlights eclipsing Rossi to the background, surely this spawned feelings of jealousy and other delusions, though real emotions! The world is filled with such examples of what can happen when the guy who thinks he was the top dog sees another take his place and the seething emotions that turn into a plan of destruction. When that happens paranoia sets in and when paranoia sets in bad things happen. I mean if we're going to cast suspicion on "determined racing" and all--where passing and overtaking maneuvers are suspicious of wrongdoing. Maybe this thing started way before this year. See how absurd your line of reasoning can get if you play it out?

Let me blow your mind further, I think it was Rossi trying to destroy Marquez championship all along!

So if you look back using the same lens and standard that is being used today to assign guilt and proof that Marquez was toying with Rossi then you must also use that same convoluted absurd perverse lens to view Rossi's overtaking maneuvers which as a fact involved hard contact inducing determined maneuvers on Marquez at Assen and Argentina both of which caused collisions. Looks like we got it all wrong. Instead of accusing Marquez of ill will towards a "championship contender" we should all be pointing at Rossi for doing the same thing. It was Rossi all along trying to dismantle and destroy Marquez's championship run!





Let me correct you on what race direction said. They did not present any "evidence" as you incorrectly state. All they did was offer a statement of faith, the same kind that is used to believe in deities. In their statement they said Marcos defended his actions, and while it was true he made "clean" passes; race direction summarily dismissed it and concluded he was lying. Based on what? Mind reading!

paparazzo said:

Yes, now we are all stupid because we don't share the same views as the little boys club (and anti VR) that is this forum. This was a glorious chance to get and keep a bunch of new posters, also a great chance to raise your post count but most won't be back as soon as the season is over. No wonder this place is absolutely dead.

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Incorrect.

We have a number of fairly smart people posting here.

What we don't need are the hordes of Rossi boppers coming here because no reasonable conversation can be had as we have already seen.

I like new members, I don't like stupid new members.