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Yamaha Rumored to Part Ways with Lorenzo

A pleasure to read!

Your ability to articulate a point is word ..... Not to mention precisely accurate.

I think you should change your name to "Cool Bro".

The secret is: try not to get pissed off my head before I start typing. :p
Which brings me to your example... to extend it a little: "Your honour, I admit I crashed my car into a shop window, but it's not my fault caused I was too ....... drunk to realise what I was doing!"
Regarding intent, the reason it's not a good idea to include it is best summed up by the adage: "Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done." Whenever there is a mob, perception is reality and the best way to deal with doubt is to limit yourself to the established facts.

But Ok, since you've given me a platform I'll use it...

In another post (wall of text) I mentioned that morality is just made-up .... that happened to work. It provided a context for civilisation to evolve by allowing people to live together in large numbers without killing each other -> civilisation
Morality is not a physical thing, it's a contract. And in this contract, perception is reality. If we live within the bounds of morality we get the protection of society. But if you have enough talent, then you might say: ".... that, I don't need protection". And so guys like VR or MM might chose to invent their own morality to get what they want. So, Ok, they lose protection; they lose support. So next time they need a break from their fellow competitors, or their fan base or sponsors... maybe they won't get it. Or maybe they will. That's political capital. That's popularity.
The difference on this occasion was that both guys were perceived to have stepped outside the social contract, but only one of them broke the rules of the tv show, so: eeehhhhh! thank you for playing, go to the back of the grid please.

Ok, so... political capital.
I'm in favour of keeping things fact-based and reasoning about what happened because it's ....... good learning, that's all. I'm not a believer from either side. But, having said that, I think it's worth mentioning the bigger picture: like it or not, the motogp tv show owes a lot to the promotional energy and genius of Valentino Rossi: the motogp brand and the personal brand and earning power of everyone in the paddock would not be what it is without the cult of personality around VR. So, those indignant, diminutive Spanish gentlemen would do well to remember that. They wouldn't have tailor-made clothes for example, they would have to suffer the indignity of shopping in the boys-wear department well into their dotage.

So here's my view... yes, it's good learning if we stick to the facts in our analysis, we will all be a bit wiser if we do. But hey, these guys are human and sometimes they get mad and .... up, and sometimes they stay mad and keep ....... up for a while. OK... fine with me. I'm not going to apply some arbitrary morality to label them, because I'm not deluded into thinking that it's a real thing. I understand it for what it is and if I'm lucky, I learn something.

Oh, and by the way, the name I use is not about me, it's my little tribute to Miles Davis :eek:
 
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Not everything is black and white though and belief or faith in a certain principle is fine UNLESS evidence contradicts said belief....

For example some disciplines within science require as much faith as any religion....The Multiverse / String Theory being a prime example.

Nope, those are not beliefs, they are the current theory.

The difference between belief and reason is that belief requires blinkered defence of a position and reason involves constantly testing and evolving a current theory.
 
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Nope, those are not beliefs, they are the current theory.

The difference between belief and reason is that belief requires blinkered defence of a position and reason involves constantly testing and evolving a current theory.

Yes but a theory that can never be proven through scientific methodology DOES require faith....even if it is the current model.
 
Yes but a theory that can never be proven through scientific methodology DOES require faith....even if it is the current model.

No it doesn't actually, it survives if it's practical: if it delivers results within acceptable statistical limits. And it's about the most likely outcome with associated risks.

There is no need for faith in scientific method dude. That squirrely guy in Nacho Libre got it wrong: if you believe in science then you are doing it wrong. :p
 
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Ok, so... political capital.
I'm in favour of keeping things fact-based and reasoning about what happened because it's ....... good learning, that's all. I'm not a believer from either side. But, having said that, I think it's worth mentioning the bigger picture: like it or not, the motogp tv show owes a lot to the promotional energy and genius of Valentino Rossi: the motogp brand and the personal brand and earning power of everyone in the paddock would not be what it is without the cult of personality around VR. So, those indignant, diminutive Spanish gentlemen would do well to remember that. They wouldn't have tailor-made clothes for example, they would have to suffer the indignity of shopping in the boys-wear department well into their dotage.

So here's my view... yes, it's good learning if we stick to the facts in our analysis, we will all be a bit wiser if we do. But hey, these guys are human and sometimes they get mad and .... up, and sometimes they stay mad and keep ....... up for a while. OK... fine with me. I'm not going to apply some arbitrary morality to label them, because I'm not deluded into thinking that it's a real thing. I understand it for what it is and if I'm lucky, I learn something.
I think Mick Doohan is fairly comfortable financially in his retirement.

The trouble for me is that if Valentino gets the 10th title by legal chicanery or even had he managed or still manages to do so by "persuading" other riders not to race him, it de-legitimises the whole sport, including all the fairly won titles which comprise his previous well deserved legacy.

As has been said even by Jumkie, if he had retired after the 7th title in 2009, very few would have questioned his Goatness, and particularly not in comparison with Agostini despite Ago's theoretically better numbers, which he seems obsessed with matching or beating. By going to Ducati in the first instance, and by choosing to race these guys at age 36, he took a risk of losing, and however admirable it may have been to take those risks I can't see that it makes him winning mandatory.
 
No it doesn't actually, it survives if it's practical: if it delivers results within acceptable statistical limits. And it's about the most likely outcome with associated risks.

There is no need for faith in scientific method dude. That squirrely guy in Nacho Libre got it wrong: if you believe in science then you are doing it wrong. :p

Of course faith isn't needed in order to apply scientific methodology to solving a problem... and that if a particular theory can not be proven via this method it doesn't necessarily mean its invalid...

But if two or more competing theories deliver similar results that satisfy said statistical requirements to support both competing ideas then what?

It then boils down to what you prefer to believe. This is common in science and was the point I was trying to make.

Anyway lets get back on topic.

Forza Vale46 forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Of course faith isn't needed in order to apply scientific methodology to solving a problem... and that if a particular theory can not be proven via this method it doesn't necessarily mean its invalid...

Correct :)

But if two or more competing theories deliver similar results that satisfy said statistical requirements to support both competing ideas then what?

It then boils down to what you prefer to believe. This is common in science and was the point I was trying to make.

Well, I've actually been in that situation and the answer is, that the theories are equivalent and you just use the one that is easier to calculate.

Anyway lets get back on topic.

Forza Vale46 forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HeHe, you're funny dude.

My position is Fortza/Vamos/whatever... motogp :D
 
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Lorenzo is ....

Marc is a ....

Stoner is a ....

This place is mostly full of a handful of .....

..... love Dicks, ..... love to get ...... by Dicks.

Now go and be good ..... and get ...... :)
 
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Lorenzo is ....

Marc is a ....

Stoner is a ....

This place is mostly full of a handful of .....

..... love Dicks, ..... love to get ...... by Dicks.

Now go and be good ..... and get ...... :)

Bit some dicks like ..... Talps , what about them ................. :p





On the serious side mate, good to see you turn up to the party.
 
Lorenzo is ....

Marc is a ....

Stoner is a ....

This place is mostly full of a handful of .....

..... love Dicks, ..... love to get ...... by Dicks.

Now go and be good ..... and get ...... :)
Hi Talps, hang in there mate. Rossi 2015 Illegitimate "champ"*

Its gonna happen. Not sure why the boppers are so upset, the "penalty " will only make Rossi's championship "win" all that more euphoric for ya'll.


This is how it plays out, Honda 1-2, Rossi cuts through the CRTs, everyone I s amazed, wow, that guy is fast. Then he clicks off most of the satellites, wow that guy us determined. "Wins" the title, that's why we worship that god, cue yellow smoke.

In effect, All Dorna did was give Rossi the ultimate way to redeem Rossi's dastardly attempted murder. That's how sports work, if you win dramatically enough, any cowardly act you've committed in the past to get you in that position to "win" is forgot and forgiven.
 
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Hi Talps, hang in there mate. Rossi 2015 Illegitimate "champ"*

Its gonna happen. Not sure why the boppers are so upset, the "penalty " will only make Rossi's championship "win" all that more euphoric for ya'll.


This is how it plays out, Honda 1-2, Rossi cuts through the CRTs, everyone I s amazed, wow, that guy is fast. Then he clicks off most of the satellites, wow that guy us determined. "Wins" the title, that's why we worship that god, cue yellow smoke.

In effect, All Dorna did was give Rossi the ultimate way to redeem Rossi's dastardly attempted murder. That's how sports work, if you win dramatically enough, any cowardly act you've committed in the past to get you in that position to "win" is forgot and forgiven.

I think it will take some sort of miracle for him to actually win. Sure, he'll cut through majority of the grid, we've seen him do that many times before, I don't think he'll be able finish high enough to win the championship...unless something crazy happens.

That being said, as much as you hate the guy, you should be praying that he wins. He'll be one step closer to retirement. I'm fairly certain that will result in majority of his fanbase falling off the face of the earth as well considering they're mainly fans of him and not fans of the sport itself.
 
I think it will take some sort of miracle for him to actually win. Sure, he'll cut through majority of the grid, we've seen him do that many times before, I don't think he'll be able finish high enough to win the championship...unless something crazy happens.

That being said, as much as you hate the guy, you should be praying that he wins. He'll be one step closer to retirement. I'm fairly certain that will result in majority of his fanbase falling off the face of the earth as well considering they're mainly fans of him and not fans of the sport itself.

I think his retirement won't enter his head one bit if he wins the title unless Yamaha want him out for Lorenzo's sake and he doesn't have a competitive ride.....! He'll be even more determined to make sure Marquez wins less and less! And most Rossi fans won't disappear I'm afraid! He's got natural successors in Ianonne and maybe Bastianini, both very likeable in my eyes. I hope Ianonne ends up on the Yamaha, he'll give Lorenzo and Marquez trouble I have no doubt!!

Oh and I can see Rossi going on til he's 40 if he's on a good bike......
 
The secret is: try not to get pissed off my head before I start typing. :p
Which brings me to your example... to extend it a little: "Your honour, I admit I crashed my car into a shop window, but it's not my fault caused I was too ....... drunk to realise what I was doing!"
Regarding intent, the reason it's not a good idea to include it is best summed up by the adage: "Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done." Whenever there is a mob, perception is reality and the best way to deal with doubt is to limit yourself to the established facts.

But Ok, since you've given me a platform I'll use it...

In another post (wall of text) I mentioned that morality is just made-up .... that happened to work. It provided a context for civilisation to evolve by allowing people to live together in large numbers without killing each other -> civilisation
Morality is not a physical thing, it's a contract. And in this contract, perception is reality. If we live within the bounds of morality we get the protection of society. But if you have enough talent, then you might say: ".... that, I don't need protection". And so guys like VR or MM might chose to invent their own morality to get what they want. So, Ok, they lose protection; they lose support. So next time they need a break from their fellow competitors, or their fan base or sponsors... maybe they won't get it. Or maybe they will. That's political capital. That's popularity.
The difference on this occasion was that both guys were perceived to have stepped outside the social contract, but only one of them broke the rules of the tv show, so: eeehhhhh! thank you for playing, go to the back of the grid please.

Ok, so... political capital.
I'm in favour of keeping things fact-based and reasoning about what happened because it's ....... good learning, that's all. I'm not a believer from either side. But, having said that, I think it's worth mentioning the bigger picture: like it or not, the motogp tv show owes a lot to the promotional energy and genius of Valentino Rossi: the motogp brand and the personal brand and earning power of everyone in the paddock would not be what it is without the cult of personality around VR. So, those indignant, diminutive Spanish gentlemen would do well to remember that. They wouldn't have tailor-made clothes for example, they would have to suffer the indignity of shopping in the boys-wear department well into their dotage.

So here's my view... yes, it's good learning if we stick to the facts in our analysis, we will all be a bit wiser if we do. But hey, these guys are human and sometimes they get mad and .... up, and sometimes they stay mad and keep ....... up for a while. OK... fine with me. I'm not going to apply some arbitrary morality to label them, because I'm not deluded into thinking that it's a real thing. I understand it for what it is and if I'm lucky, I learn something.

Oh, and by the way, the name I use is not about me, it's my little tribute to Miles Davis :eek:
So many. New faces here that I haven't had time to peruse all the new folks posting. Just want to add my voice to say that your posts here are a great addition to the forum. Really refreshing. Been whistling "Some Day My Prince Will Come" last few days. Now I know why. LOL
 
Ha! Appreciate that dude, thanks for the welcome. I was actually feeling a bit left out coz I didn't include any reference to dangular body parts or trans-species physical relations in my posts.
 
Ha! Appreciate that dude, thanks for the welcome. I was actually feeling a bit left out coz I didn't include any reference to dangular body parts or trans-species physical relations in my posts.

Any fan of both GP bike racing and Miles Davis is extremely welcome as far as I am concerned. I have "Kind of Blue" in at least 5 different formats and/or versions, and all the classic Miles Davis quintet stuff.
 
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Ha! Appreciate that dude, thanks for the welcome. I was actually feeling a bit left out coz I didn't include any reference to dangular body parts or trans-species physical relations in my posts.

Give it time....
 

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