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Cool Blue · Nov 1, 2015

michaelm said:
Any fan of both GP bike racing and Miles Davis is extremely welcome as far as I am concerned. I have "Kind of Blue" in at least 5 different formats and/or versions, and all the classic Miles Davis quintet stuff.

Rebirth of the Cool and Kind of Blue are the inflection points for mine.

Kind of Blue... unbelievable. As if Paul Chambers' powerful melodic contours and Bill Evans' haunting vamps and voicings on Miles' modal vision is not enough already; here comes John freakin Coltrane. Love it.

michaelm · Nov 1, 2015

Cool Blue said:
Rebirth of the Cool and Kind of Blue are the inflection points for mine.

Kind of Blue... unbelievable. As if Paul Chambers' powerful melodic contours and Bill Evans' haunting vamps and voicings on Miles' modal vision is not enough already; here comes John freakin Coltrane. Love it.

I actually have a rare Red Garland solo album which is utterly fantastic as well.

Cool Blue · Nov 1, 2015

michaelm said:
I actually have a rare Red Garland solo album which is utterly fantastic as well.

Wow, Ok... Nice. I think I have stumbled across that in my travels. And yes, he was around for a while, on all of the prestige (contractual obligation) albums, which I also love: Steamin', Relaxin', Workin' and Cookin'. A different, more lively rhythm section with Philly Joe Jones on drums but also my favourite: Mr PC.

I've always been more interested in the modal stuff for some reason, that's why I like Bill Evans. But McCoy Tyner is also a big favourite as well!

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 2, 2015

Cool Blue said:
Wow, Ok... Nice. I think I have stumbled across that in my travels. And yes, he was around for a while, on all of the prestige (contractual obligation) albums, which I also love: Steamin', Relaxin', Workin' and Cookin'. A different, more lively rhythm section with Philly Joe Jones on drums but also my favourite: Mr PC.

I've always been more interested in the modal stuff for some reason, that's why I like Bill Evans. But McCoy Tyner is also a big favourite as well!

And 'Mingus Ah Um'?

Cool Blue · Nov 2, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
And 'Mingus Ah Um'?

I struggled with Mingus a bit but I like pork pie hat a lot. Joanie Mitchell did a version of that; she made up some lyrics... In fact she did a whole Mingus tribute album which I didn't like at all... Mind you, her best stuff was off the scale, but not so much because of her: Jaco Pastorius was her bass player and MD for a while and they had his mate Pat Metheny on guitar. That was pure magic.
But I digress, I hit this pretty hard:

Stanley Turnentine! Sugar. Ron Carter's bass part on the title track is a masterpiece and they had this dude playing guitar who wasn't too shabby, George Benson I think his name was [emoji6]. But the horn vamps under the solo were also ....... crucial!
Stanley used to work with Jimmy Smith a bit, One session was called Prayer Meeting and that's another favourite of mine...

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 2, 2015

Cool Blue said:
I struggled with Mingus a bit but I like pork pie hat a lot. Joanie Mitchell did a version of that; she made up some lyrics... In fact she did a whole Mingus tribute album which I didn't like at all... Mind you, her best stuff was off the scale, but not so much because of her: Jaco Pastorius was her bass player and MD for a while and they had his mate Pat Metheny on guitar. That was pure magic.
But I digress, I hit this pretty hard:

Stanley Turnentine! Sugar. Ron Carter's bass part on the title track is a masterpiece and they had this dude playing guitar who wasn't too shabby, George Benson I think his name was [emoji6]. But the horn vamps under the solo were also ....... crucial!
Stanley used to work with Jimmy Smith a bit, One session was called Prayer Meeting and that's another favourite of mine...

Are you a fan of Metheny?

Cool Blue · Nov 2, 2015

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Keshav · Nov 2, 2015

michaelm said:
Any fan of both GP bike racing and Miles Davis is extremely welcome as far as I am concerned. I have "Kind of Blue" in at least 5 different formats and/or versions, and all the classic Miles Davis quintet stuff.

#22 said:
Another Miles Davis fan here

All the early stuff of course.... tho don't hear enough these days about the big band work with Gil Evans. Totally amazing. Evans was such an incredible arranger. Just before he died Miles was working on an album of covers of Jimi Hendrix tunes. Went to see Kenton with all the Mile band-mates they could stuff on a stage and highlight of the evening was the the Miles/Kenton arrangement of Smile On My Sweet Angel. Still get goosebumps just remembering that set.

Keshav · Nov 2, 2015

Arrabbiata1 said:
And 'Mingus Ah Um'?

Most def. A big Mingus fan. So much stuff to choose from. Three or four shades of blues, while late in his career, is one of those albums I can listen to any day. I'm friends with his adopted daughter Sue, who throws me and the wife tickets to see the Mingus orchestra from time to time and those guys never fail to blow the roof off.

Cool Blue · Nov 2, 2015

Keshav said:
All the early stuff of course.... tho don't hear enough these days about the big band work with Gil Evans. Totally amazing. Evans was such an incredible arranger.

Yep, Birth of the Cool. Like I mentioned, a musical inflection point.
Miles had a powerful artistic vision but technically he was no Dizzy Gillespie. And he was laid back to say the least, he was sick of tying his fingers in knots playing bebop lines and melting his brain trying to thread them through Rhythm Changes and landing on the melody like a butterfly with sore feet after 32xn bars. That's what B of C was all about and as usual, he was smart enough to find the right collaborator to mastermind the whole thing. The horn arrangements are lush.

But then he took it to the next level with Kind of Blue which was about: who needs chord changes? The "modal" thing. Inflection point number 2.

Arrabbiata1 · Nov 2, 2015

Keshav said:
Just before he died Miles was working on an album of covers of Jimi Hendrix tunes.

That very much stems from the Betty Mabry influence, also the inspiration behind ....... Brew.

Keshav · Nov 2, 2015

Cool Blue said:
Yep, Birth of the Cool. Like I mentioned, a musical inflection point.
Miles had a powerful artistic vision but technically he was no Dizzy Gillespie. And he was laid back to say the least, he was sick of tying his fingers in knots playing bebop lines and melting his brain trying to thread them through Rhythm Changes and landing on the melody like a butterfly with sore feet after 32xn bars. That's what B of C was all about and as usual, he was smart enough to find the right collaborator to mastermind the whole thing. The horn arrangements are lush.

But then he took it to the next level with Kind of Blue which was about: who needs chord changes? The "modal" thing. Inflection point number 2.

Yeah... I never think much about the technical aspect. These guys were all Gods to me. One could "worship" any one of them and be very fulfilled. Loved Dizzy, 'cause there was always an underlying sense of humor in his stuff. Mingus fed the angry dark side of me, and Miles always feeds the dark dope-fiend side of me that's happy to be alone in my room not needing anybody. All good.

Kropotkin · Nov 2, 2015

Jazz is .....

Keshav · Nov 2, 2015

Kropotkin said:
Jazz is .....

Bite me!

#22 · Nov 2, 2015

Kropotkin said:
Jazz is .....

Better than MotoGP at the moment. At least you don't see fans of certain artist who's been a complete .... sending death threats to a rival artist...

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 2, 2015

#22 said:
Better than MotoGP at the moment. At least you don't see fans of certain artist who's been a complete .... sending death threats to a rival artist...

Did you forget gangsta rap is technically a derivative of jazz.

#22 · Nov 2, 2015

Forget? I didn't even know! Well Well Well, you learn something every day.

Jumkie · Nov 2, 2015

Kropotkin said:
Jazz is .....

Krop, we can disagree about racing, politics, religion, etc., but music? Dem are fightin words.

I've taken to listening to classical. Still can't get on with Country. But the Steve Miller Ban is one of my favorites.

MdubSTYLIE · Nov 2, 2015

#22 said:
Forget? I didn't even know! Well Well Well, you learn something every day.

You need to know this .... if you're going to drive a truck and live in merica. I may have to get you a copy of the cracker bible to living in america.

Jumkie · Nov 2, 2015

#22 said:
Forget? I didn't even know! Well Well Well, you learn something every day.

Jazz led to blues (I think) blues led to R&B, R&B led to rapp.

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