Who will be the 2009 champion and runners up?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 20 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sack, I really really want to agree that the Honda is crap and it won't succeed but I don't think that is the case. At Indy the pneumatic engine was pulling away from Vale with ease.
Your on a campaign about tire conspiracy and you don't know what Nicky was using at Indy? Of course he was pulling away with softer tires than Pamela Anderson's breast implants until he turned them into slicks like a Tommy Lee rubber then he was going backwards and fast. Yeah you can say it was the engine that got him ahead but it was just poor race decision and execution. But of course he knew the race was going to be red flagged at 2/3 the distance good call
Rossi had that type of speed but he also had race management.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DirtyD86 @ Sep 21 2008, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there are too many variables in motogp to argue about .... like this.
Your right we should all just go home and play with ourselves.
Your on a campaign about tire conspiracy and you don't know what Nicky was using at Indy? Of course he was pulling away with softer tires than Pamela Anderson's breast implants until he turned them into slicks like a Tommy Lee rubber then he was going backwards and fast. Yeah you can say it was the engine that got him ahead but it was just poor race decision and execution. But of course he knew the race was going to be red flagged at 2/3 the distance good call
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DirtyD86 @ Sep 21 2008, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there are too many variables in motogp to argue about .... like this.
Your right we should all just go home and play with ourselves.
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1. Stoner – he’s having a bad year and will run second (probably) – I can only see that another year, a better wrist, a little more maturity will bring him the championship. He is still out there riding faster than everyone else, just a little more race craft to complete the package.
2. Valentino – Another year older - GOAT or not you do start slowing down eventually. I think Vale will probably have a closer championship next year because the Ducati team won’t be as slow to react to the bike not performing, as they were this year. Jeremey Burgess never does this – Ducati will never do it again.
3. Lorenzo – Irrespective of tyres he has got the pace and the balls – I ended up liking Jorge this year. Irrespective of whether I like him or not he has got the stuff (IMO) and will finish in the top three.
4. Nicki – Yep, to the disgust of SSSSShinya I think Mr consistent will return. The man is capable of a few wins and a hell of a lot of podiums and I believe Ducati will return his mojo to him, taken by Dr Evil (Puig) and minime (Pedrosa).
5. Dovi – First Repsol bike home and on Michelins if they are still in the game. Hopefully they are. I can see Dovi being the suprise package on a factory bike and getting all the way to the top. Ultimately any of the top 5 can win it
2. Valentino – Another year older - GOAT or not you do start slowing down eventually. I think Vale will probably have a closer championship next year because the Ducati team won’t be as slow to react to the bike not performing, as they were this year. Jeremey Burgess never does this – Ducati will never do it again.
3. Lorenzo – Irrespective of tyres he has got the pace and the balls – I ended up liking Jorge this year. Irrespective of whether I like him or not he has got the stuff (IMO) and will finish in the top three.
4. Nicki – Yep, to the disgust of SSSSShinya I think Mr consistent will return. The man is capable of a few wins and a hell of a lot of podiums and I believe Ducati will return his mojo to him, taken by Dr Evil (Puig) and minime (Pedrosa).
5. Dovi – First Repsol bike home and on Michelins if they are still in the game. Hopefully they are. I can see Dovi being the suprise package on a factory bike and getting all the way to the top. Ultimately any of the top 5 can win it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 22 2008, 04:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So it seems you will be the first to cast them against eachother as rivals? Great, all we need is the third rivals duo on this forum to go along with theme X vs X.
Lets not start the Stoner vs Hayden thing, shall we. But if you choose to, I'll be more than happy to debate you. Especially if your first premise is to point to Stoner's 06 year to Hayden's.
Get a grip, I don't think Stoner is that much different or better/inferior than Hayden. So please, don't go all Rossi-Fan on me trying to present Casey as some kinda god, that level of cultic craziness is all ready taken. Stoner is good, but he ROYALLY ...... UP this year in THREE consecutive races! That alone I could write a book on. I've been one of Casey defenders (and not even a fan of the lad) from people who SOUND EXACTLY like you (but happen to be fans of another guy). You wanna make me Casey's biggest detractor? Well one way to do it is to come on trying to .... on Hayden for no good reason by trying to prop up your boy Mr. "Stoner27"--or should I just start calling you PINKY PART 2?
On topic:
My prediction for 09 (Assuming Control tire...oh, assuming everybody gets the same ...., otherwise Rossi champ).
1. Hayden
2. Stoner
3. Rossi
4. Lorenzo
5. Dovi
Its a ....... prediction, don't get all sensitive people.
Jumkie ill be glad to debate you as well, no worries lets say debate this when.
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
Lets not start the Stoner vs Hayden thing, shall we. But if you choose to, I'll be more than happy to debate you. Especially if your first premise is to point to Stoner's 06 year to Hayden's.
Get a grip, I don't think Stoner is that much different or better/inferior than Hayden. So please, don't go all Rossi-Fan on me trying to present Casey as some kinda god, that level of cultic craziness is all ready taken. Stoner is good, but he ROYALLY ...... UP this year in THREE consecutive races! That alone I could write a book on. I've been one of Casey defenders (and not even a fan of the lad) from people who SOUND EXACTLY like you (but happen to be fans of another guy). You wanna make me Casey's biggest detractor? Well one way to do it is to come on trying to .... on Hayden for no good reason by trying to prop up your boy Mr. "Stoner27"--or should I just start calling you PINKY PART 2?
On topic:
My prediction for 09 (Assuming Control tire...oh, assuming everybody gets the same ...., otherwise Rossi champ).
1. Hayden
2. Stoner
3. Rossi
4. Lorenzo
5. Dovi
Its a ....... prediction, don't get all sensitive people.
Jumkie ill be glad to debate you as well, no worries lets say debate this when.
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 26 2008, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie ill be glad to debate you as well, no worries lets say debate this when.
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
I think when you read the press between these two (Stoner and Hayden) they genuinely like each other.
Both have expressed some disappointment with being in a walled garage the last season and both have similar backgrounds (and both have commented on this). Both liked previous open garages (Loris and Vale)
I for one have watched Casey since he was a squirt and have also placed Nicki in my three favourite riders and probably the coolest guy on the grid. I think the team will have a lot less competitiveness and more congeniality than the fans, although really most fans see this as a great team in the making.
They both have 1 world championship. That’s it. It isn’t worth having another Rider 1 v Rider 2 battle; the Vale v Casey battle has been fought more times than WW2 in the local RSL club.
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
I think when you read the press between these two (Stoner and Hayden) they genuinely like each other.
Both have expressed some disappointment with being in a walled garage the last season and both have similar backgrounds (and both have commented on this). Both liked previous open garages (Loris and Vale)
I for one have watched Casey since he was a squirt and have also placed Nicki in my three favourite riders and probably the coolest guy on the grid. I think the team will have a lot less competitiveness and more congeniality than the fans, although really most fans see this as a great team in the making.
They both have 1 world championship. That’s it. It isn’t worth having another Rider 1 v Rider 2 battle; the Vale v Casey battle has been fought more times than WW2 in the local RSL club.
Well here's my prediction - next year will be the last year of motoGP as we know it. The world financial crisis will melt down all markets, a world depression will follow. Like all companies, the major manufacturers will lose enormous amounts of money. Suzuki, kawasaki and ducati will all fail to finish the year due to costs.
World superbikes will become the major series in 2010.
If this scenario doesn't happen, then I think it will be -
Stoner
Rossi
Lorenzo
Hayden
Dovi
Pedrosa
It will be the most open series in the 4 stroke era and all of the above will win at least 1 race.
World superbikes will become the major series in 2010.
If this scenario doesn't happen, then I think it will be -
Stoner
Rossi
Lorenzo
Hayden
Dovi
Pedrosa
It will be the most open series in the 4 stroke era and all of the above will win at least 1 race.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 26 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie ill be glad to debate you as well, no worries lets say debate this when.
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
But in fairness whens Pedrosa or anyone (except C.Stoner at catalunya 2007) beaten rossi in a straight out fight?
1) Hayden has 14 GPs to his name.
2) When he has won 10 races in same season.
3) When he sets the record for Consecutive Poles.
4) When he beats Rossi and Pedrosa in a Straight Out Fight.
5) When he beats the record for Points Scored in the same season.
Come see me then ....... though ive got a feeling it may be a while..
But in fairness whens Pedrosa or anyone (except C.Stoner at catalunya 2007) beaten rossi in a straight out fight?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the team will have a lot less competitiveness and more congeniality than the fans, although really most fans see this as a great team in the making.
I understand what you mean but the team should and would have just as much competetivness as beating your teammate is allways pri.1. But I would expect it to be a more healthy one, the atmosphere in the garage will be more firendly and relaxed, dispite the fact that they'll do their best to beat each other on the track.
I understand what you mean but the team should and would have just as much competetivness as beating your teammate is allways pri.1. But I would expect it to be a more healthy one, the atmosphere in the garage will be more firendly and relaxed, dispite the fact that they'll do their best to beat each other on the track.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 24 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Your on a campaign about tire conspiracy and you don't know what Nicky was using at Indy? Of course he was pulling away with softer tires than Pamela Anderson's breast implants until he turned them into slicks like a Tommy Lee rubber then he was going backwards and fast. Yeah you can say it was the engine that got him ahead but it was just poor race decision and execution. But of course he knew the race was going to be red flagged at 2/3 the distance good call
Rossi had that type of speed but he also had race management.
Your right we should all just go home and play with ourselves.
I knew he was on soft tires.
I know faster corner exit speed helps you reach better top speed down the straight. Hayden did have a huge advantage in the first 25m down the home straight over Vale but it seemed like the bike was pulling hard the entire way.
His pass on Dovi shows how far the engine has come. They were both on soft tires. Hayden passed on top end power from the looks of it.
Don't forget that Hayden's tires weren't that soft. A big part of the degradation happened while Nicky was spinning the rear in the dry. Like you say, not good race management, but he was probably on the same tires as Dovi and Lorenzo. Both were unable to catch him down the straight.
Your right we should all just go home and play with ourselves.
I knew he was on soft tires.
I know faster corner exit speed helps you reach better top speed down the straight. Hayden did have a huge advantage in the first 25m down the home straight over Vale but it seemed like the bike was pulling hard the entire way.
His pass on Dovi shows how far the engine has come. They were both on soft tires. Hayden passed on top end power from the looks of it.
Don't forget that Hayden's tires weren't that soft. A big part of the degradation happened while Nicky was spinning the rear in the dry. Like you say, not good race management, but he was probably on the same tires as Dovi and Lorenzo. Both were unable to catch him down the straight.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Sep 26 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think when you read the press between these two (Stoner and Hayden) they genuinely like each other.
Both have expressed some disappointment with being in a walled garage the last season and both have similar backgrounds (and both have commented on this). Both liked previous open garages (Loris and Vale)
I for one have watched Casey since he was a squirt and have also placed Nicki in my three favourite riders and probably the coolest guy on the grid. I think the team will have a lot less competitiveness and more congeniality than the fans, although really most fans see this as a great team in the making.
They both have 1 world championship. That’s it. It isn’t worth having another Rider 1 v Rider 2 battle; the Vale v Casey battle has been fought more times than WW2 in the local RSL club.
Hi AndyRoo
I know they both like each other alot, and i think there wont be any trouble.
Like ive said i like Nicky, if you read my posts you will see that, its just a certain someone said Hayden will beat Stoner to the championship and i disagree with that view so i brought up some facts, now everyone wants to attack me for saying what i think..
I though ppl were free to say what they think here??
Both have expressed some disappointment with being in a walled garage the last season and both have similar backgrounds (and both have commented on this). Both liked previous open garages (Loris and Vale)
I for one have watched Casey since he was a squirt and have also placed Nicki in my three favourite riders and probably the coolest guy on the grid. I think the team will have a lot less competitiveness and more congeniality than the fans, although really most fans see this as a great team in the making.
They both have 1 world championship. That’s it. It isn’t worth having another Rider 1 v Rider 2 battle; the Vale v Casey battle has been fought more times than WW2 in the local RSL club.
Hi AndyRoo
I know they both like each other alot, and i think there wont be any trouble.
Like ive said i like Nicky, if you read my posts you will see that, its just a certain someone said Hayden will beat Stoner to the championship and i disagree with that view so i brought up some facts, now everyone wants to attack me for saying what i think..
I though ppl were free to say what they think here??
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Even Rossi will admit it that Hayden's past few years of struggles were because of the bike, and not Hayden.
I was watching the MTV Special they did on Nicky, and that is essentially what Vale said. It isn't Nicky, it is the Honda and was the tires.
I was watching the MTV Special they did on Nicky, and that is essentially what Vale said. It isn't Nicky, it is the Honda and was the tires.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 26 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I though ppl were free to say what they think here??
they are... and you did.
they are... and you did.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stoner27 @ Sep 27 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi AndyRoo
I know they both like each other alot, and i think there wont be any trouble.
Like ive said i like Nicky, if you read my posts you will see that, its just a certain someone said Hayden will beat Stoner to the championship and i disagree with that view so i brought up some facts, now everyone wants to attack me for saying what i think..
I though ppl were free to say what they think here??
I did you did and Frosty did as well (in a burst of dichotomous profundity)
I don't want to attack you, no way dude, I (like you) have an opinion and whilst in many ways we are of similar opinion we do differ a little bit. I can remember (for those old enduro guys) when Scott Summers was racing the GNCC (Cross Country) series in the states, he won it (the series) against guys who were faster and on better bikes but Scott was the consummate professional. I think he ended up with four or five championships.
He rode within his limits and finished every race and year after year he would win championships by coming second more than first.
I think head to head you are right about Casey but Nicki should not be discounted and what he will bring to the team is valuable, especially for Casey. I see that Casey has a lot to learn and whilst a lot of peanuts write him off for having an autopilot bike (that no one else can ride) he is basically the best after Rossi (the only guy every to have won more than 4 races in a season against Rossi ever in the top class) and he will chase Rossi down as he improves and Rossi ages. He is the fastest guy on a motorcycle most of the time but needs some seasoning (not paprika – experience)
I just offer a contrarian argument to you but agree principally with you, I just consider other factors are of more importance.
Nicki will play an enormous part in the evolution of Casey Stoner .
I know they both like each other alot, and i think there wont be any trouble.
Like ive said i like Nicky, if you read my posts you will see that, its just a certain someone said Hayden will beat Stoner to the championship and i disagree with that view so i brought up some facts, now everyone wants to attack me for saying what i think..
I though ppl were free to say what they think here??
I did you did and Frosty did as well (in a burst of dichotomous profundity)
I don't want to attack you, no way dude, I (like you) have an opinion and whilst in many ways we are of similar opinion we do differ a little bit. I can remember (for those old enduro guys) when Scott Summers was racing the GNCC (Cross Country) series in the states, he won it (the series) against guys who were faster and on better bikes but Scott was the consummate professional. I think he ended up with four or five championships.
He rode within his limits and finished every race and year after year he would win championships by coming second more than first.
I think head to head you are right about Casey but Nicki should not be discounted and what he will bring to the team is valuable, especially for Casey. I see that Casey has a lot to learn and whilst a lot of peanuts write him off for having an autopilot bike (that no one else can ride) he is basically the best after Rossi (the only guy every to have won more than 4 races in a season against Rossi ever in the top class) and he will chase Rossi down as he improves and Rossi ages. He is the fastest guy on a motorcycle most of the time but needs some seasoning (not paprika – experience)
I just offer a contrarian argument to you but agree principally with you, I just consider other factors are of more importance.
Nicki will play an enormous part in the evolution of Casey Stoner .
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Sep 22 2008, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think we need to qualify that statement with....Nicky is a demon on MICHELIN qualifiers....which are known to be better than Bridgestone Qs....so we shall see if he can keep pace in Qs next year....
My prediction;
Rossi
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Stoner
Gibernau
Toseland
CV
Elias
DeAngelis
Hayden
This is irregardless of tyre and fuel rule changes....
The winner.
And this was way back in Sept 2008.
My prediction;
Rossi
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Stoner
Gibernau
Toseland
CV
Elias
DeAngelis
Hayden
This is irregardless of tyre and fuel rule changes....
The winner.
And this was way back in Sept 2008.
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