Joined Jul 2007
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unda cheese
It's all good Johnny
If he were to come back (and I hope not - for me, once you retire you stay retired) you can bet your testicles that as soon as he speaks the voice will stay the same as will the interpretations and half the world will quickly remember the way they felt between years 2007 - 2013 (he seemed to be overlooked in 2006 and the chatter of his supposed whining remained in 2013, thus the timeframe)
Besides, without him around, what is there for you to whinge about
ps. Given my onlyu prior contributions to the thread were a comment to Bunny and a small 2 paragraph piece I should feel honoured to be acclaimed a JK ....
If he were to come back (and I hope not - for me, once you retire you stay retired) you can bet your testicles that as soon as he speaks the voice will stay the same as will the interpretations and half the world will quickly remember the way they felt between years 2007 - 2013 (he seemed to be overlooked in 2006 and the chatter of his supposed whining remained in 2013, thus the timeframe)
Besides, without him around, what is there for you to whinge about
ps. Given my onlyu prior contributions to the thread were a comment to Bunny and a small 2 paragraph piece I should feel honoured to be acclaimed a JK ....
True Jums and you will notice that I did not say 'my testicles' as being married the wife has them and hell I do not want to upset or awaken the beast within
Joined Jun 2007
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Norah Head
I can live with being 25% .... ............... just depends on which 25% because it could be embarrassing
https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/02/05/casey_stoner_s_ducati_motogp_test_your_q.html
I see a bright future here in ducati, since Gigi come in and now Stoner
I see a bright future here in ducati, since Gigi come in and now Stoner
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similar treat from ducati, but totally different performance in a race. how come?
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please, I'm not talking about Rossi now. I appreciate your effort to made him looks good, but honestly it is totally the opposite, its digusting.
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Joined Oct 2015
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Texas
Stoner had 4 years on the bike and his performance was declining by 2010. If the Ducati guru (Stoner) was struggling for wins, it wasn't likely Rossi was going to come in, start from scratch, and see good results (the bike was even worse by the time Rossi swung a leg over it).
The point is the troubles at Ducati were neither Stoner's or Rossi's fault. Gigi didn't come in and say "Everything is fine, the riders were just giving bad feedback." He noted that Ducati had major problems with how they were operating. No rider was going to fix that.
As for Rossi's failure at Ducati, at least he gave it a go. Michael Jordan switched to baseball and failed. You never know til you try something.
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Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Rossi was convinced Stoner was a slacker and the Ducati was what made him look good. He even said it in so many words. Rossi and Burgess were convinced they were going to Ducati and kick ... and take names, not start from scratch and struggle. Boy did they get an awakening.
Joined Oct 2015
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Texas
Right, they were very wrong with their assumptions. But hey, it's a learning experience.
Two problems at Ducati, firstly they changed the tyres on them because they couldn't have a non-marketable rider winning as a result of a tiny company and the previously 2nd tier tyre manufacturer coming up with a bike and tyre combination on which that rider could win a championship, then Stoner got sick in 2009 after being quite competitive on the radical 2009 bike while healthy; he proved to be so again at the end of the season when he had recovered.
The 2010 bike was not of Stoner's devisement, the Marlboro man's medical opinion (of all ironies, him being an advertising man for a company which contends cigarettes are not harmful) carried more weight than Stoner's doctors and they decided Stoner was the problem and that they should produce a bike to suit Lorenzo or Rossi whom they hoped to attract. Unfortunately it is impossible to make a carbon fibre integrated chassis L4-engined 800 Ducati into a Yamaha, but Stoner could still somehow ride that pig of a 2010 bike to victory on occasion if he didn't crash first, involving a riding technique Rossi himself said he couldn't replicate, with the difference between the two on that bike very apparent in the post-race end of season test at Valencia.
I never blamed Rossi for not being able to "fix" the Ducati, and said on this forum that I didn't think the bike was fixable in its then configuration and that if Rossi and Burgess couldn't fix it then neither could anyone else.
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Is that what happen with Nicky and Dani?
Nicky was 2 years already in ducati, and Dani was 4 years already in Honda with his full support from Honda. and on the paper [I mean, your logic] Nicky should do better than Rossi, and Dani should do better than Casey. but, they did not.
and even 1 years already in ducati, does not give more distance between Rossi and Nicky, the distance was already relatively static from 2011.
I don't see any rational excuses in 2010-2011 season for that big different results comparing 2 times world champ and 9 times world champ. its just the bike and both ride the same.
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Joined Apr 2015
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NJ
lol "gave it a go".
Yamaha had enough of his .... in 2010 and wanted him gone.
He burned the HRC bridge years before.
Ducati was the only factory team left he would go to that had in his mind a chance of delivering race victories and a title...after all Stoner won races, but was slacking off according to he and his sidekick. Giving it a go would have been going to Tech 3 or LCR or Gresini...you know, satellite teams.
But in any rate, I don't give him credit for "giving it a go". He was never going to take a satellite bike since his ego is too much and he believes he should never have to mill about on common machinery....and Suzuki wasn't competitive.
So the choice was always going to be Ducati since the only other choice would have been to retire from MotoGP.
This wasn't Michael Jordan switching to baseball as that was going to a completely different sport altogether. Not even remotely close to being an analogy.
Funny thing is in the normal course of racing, after the Ducati thing failed miserably, he would have found himself unable to get a ride on anything other than satellite bike as so many world champions found themselves in years past unless of course...they retired on top. Anyway, he was given a Dorna bailout in the summer of 2012, and the Yamaha race team basically got sandbagged by the idiots in Yamaha marketing and got stuck with him for 2013 thru present.
If he really gave Ducati a go, and was serious about it, he wouldn't have been running to get bailed out of it, in less than 2 years. That suggests a man unwilling to do the legitimate hard work needed to turn things around. People like to say or insinuate Ducati declined under Stoner, which most reasonable people know to not be true, however Ducati's increase in performance is not due to Rossi. After all he cut loose and ran when the going got tough.
His feedback may be good from a purely technical standpoint, and I don't disagree that he does give good feedback. But the flipside of that coin is that he has proven to be a cancer to both HRC and Yamaha. That's something you can't say about a number of top riders. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is the guy who wanted a wall put up between he and Lorenzo in the garage because he couldn't handle the realization he was no longer the fastest rider on the team.
Joined Oct 2008
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In Cider
Stoner, when asked if he could podium in Qatar repied with "Speaking honestly, probably not".
He also had a dig at Livio Suppo:
Casey Stoner plays down pace despite impressive test performance - MotoGP news - AUTOSPORT.com
He also had a dig at Livio Suppo:
Casey Stoner plays down pace despite impressive test performance - MotoGP news - AUTOSPORT.com
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