*SPOILERS* Jerez Race Thread

[cliche guevara]

It may be unacceptable to you. But this ruthlessness and win at all cost philosophy made a legend out of him and has caught the imagination of millions of racing fans across the globe. I guess, Rossi is a bit like Senna (for the better or worse)

yes and as much as we all love our heroes it is getting unacceptable as the the behaviour becomes insanly dangerous and results aren't achieved by talent and bravery but by stupidity and willingnes to harm others



i admire sennas talent and surely admire rossis great skill but this sort of thing where rossis being a .... has happened too many times to still have respect for him as a racer .

he seriously has to get his act together and act more clean on the track before he'll be remembered as the ruthless win at all costs multiple world champion that if the bar was raised he stooped down one step deeper to cope with it



really hope the ducati experience will sober him up a bit , i enjoyed being a fanboy of rossi of past times much much more than being pissed off at him

 

[renjith_varma]

And a better driver, an extra world title and he even managed to survive his own racing career.

It depends. If they are racing for the glory, Senna I am sure will be remembered for another 100 years. Prost - not so sure.

 

[heyhuub]

It may be unacceptable to you. But this ruthlessness and win at all cost philosophy made a legend out of him and has caught the imagination of millions of racing fans across the globe. I guess, Rossi is a bit like Senna (for the better or worse)

Funny how people bash Schumacher for that exact same reason.

 

[LittleEgg]

I am not doubting that Senna is a legend, neither am i doubting that he was a superb racing driver. But it comes at a cost, schumacher knows that better than most. Rossi is not nearly in the same league as these guys though fortunately

Well i am afraid judging by results over his career and amount of fans around the globe.....he is.



If he were to be ended in tragic circumstances next week, dont fool yourself into thinking he wouldnt be classed as some legendary mythic object....much like senna.

 

[Pigeon]

Has anyone had chance to count how many marshals helped Stoner after the crash?

10 ran to get Rossi's Autograph they forgot about stoner

 

[renjith_varma]

Funny how people bash Schumacher for that exact same reason.

I know

. I think its how you connect with their racing persona. For me, Senna's actions always were red misted and temperamental (with no regard to the outcome, as if he wanted to fight against the whole world) which I like. Schumacher - more calculative and slimy

(Think of Monaco QP where he blocked Alonso)

 

[cliche guevara]

Funny how people bash Schumacher for that exact same reason.

it's all about the double standards we all apply



if our beloved hero does something its a display of great skill and being brave





thats maybe the thing that winds me up about rossi, this great misconception of what he has often done in the past couple of years

 

[LittleEgg]

And a better driver, an extra world title and he even managed to survive his own racing career.

Prost was a crawler who got helped to the title in 89...when HE should have been penalised. The fact that after getting taken out senna then got back on track, had his front nose replaced, and faught back to take the first he needed, only for Belastre to dock points for a joke of a reason.....cutting the chicane after getting taken out.



The two other seasons senna beat him in the same car.



So in actual fact discounting the robbery of a season in 1989, prost took nothing from senna.



As for his death it had bugger all to do with the way he drove.

 

[Jumkie]

10 ran to get Rossi's Autograph they forgot about stoner

Pretty funny Pish. I forgive you for your atrocious slam on Nicky calling him a sellout. (Well I don't totally forgive you, but...)



Anyway, did you see that one marshall patting Rossi? It was funny. I think he even may have held Rossi back a bit, as Rossi looked a bit annoyed and was like, poosh poosh man.



As you can see, Stoner is trying to get the bike off of Rossi, though you can see Rossi was already on his knees. (Perhaps all that training with Uccio is paying off).

 

[LittleEgg]

It depends. If they are racing for the glory, Senna I am sure will be remembered for another 100 years. Prost - not so sure.

Prost will always be remembered as the guy who senna got the better of. Great racer, but not a legendary racer.



Tom if you like F1 especially of that era, i would seriously recommend giving this a look:



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1424432/



http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6276530/Ayrton_Senna_Beyond_The_Speed_Of_Sound_2010_RNFO_BDRip-SANTi



Sorry if the second link is not allowed please remove if so.



2-3 hour biopic that was so enlightening, best movie/docu etc i have watched in a long time.



There were things i had never seen in this film. My dad(who hated senna) loved it.



Anyway enough about senna lol, will try to get back on topic.

 

[techno]

yes and as much as we all love our heroes it is getting unacceptable as the the behaviour becomes insanly dangerous and results aren't achieved by talent and bravery but by stupidity and willingnes to harm others



i

Willingness, .... never thought it was premeditated, get him arrested for assaut, having watched it again he was past stoner there was a gap he took it unfortunatly the grip wasnt there, that move is played out many times and in most races and normally all that happens is the outside rider gets stood up a bit and they go wide and carry on, he lost the front, many other riders did the same today fortunatly they were on their own!



Am sure this wouldnt have been debated quite so much had it been 2 other riders, simoncelli pulled the same move on his own

 

[eltoro]

All I can say is Dorna must be thinking Cha-ching! You can't buy this sort of publicity.

 

[renjith_varma]

yes and as much as we all love our heroes it is getting unacceptable as the the behaviour becomes insanly dangerous and results aren't achieved by talent and bravery but by stupidity and willingnes to harm others

In a larger context, isn't bravery kind of acting illogical (stupidity??) in dangerous situations? Obviously when danger lurks around, the logical step is to act safe which is diagonally opposite to what bravery is.

 

[Jumkie]

...., how did this turn into an F1 thread? Rob must probably be involved. Dude, get back to telling us how the crash was Stoner's fault. Focus your 3 [sub]1/2[/sub] brain cells.

 

[renjith_varma]

...., how did this turn into an F1 thread? Rob must probably be involved. Dude, get back to telling us how the crash was Stoner's fault. Focus your 3 [sub]1/2[/sub] brain cells.

Still in the pub mode..

.... you Jumkie.. .... u PS... .... MotoGP..

Aahh.. now feeling well... Having a holiday on Monday is just great

 

[SuperShinya56]

...., how did this turn into an F1 thread? Rob must probably be involved. Dude, get back to telling us how the crash was Stoner's fault. Focus your 3 [sub]1/2[/sub] brain cells.

Rossi Boppers would claim that it is Stoner's fault for running into Rossi. Right Roger?

 

[Pigeon]

i love this



Rossi 'wasn't trying to pass Stoner'

By Toby Moody, Matt Beer, Michele Lostia Sunday, April 3rd 2011, 16:03 GMT



Valentino RossiValentino Rossi says he was not even trying to overtake Casey Stoner when he took the Honda rider out of second in the Spanish Grand Prix.



Rossi had made rapid progress from 11th on the grid on the wet track, but fell when challenging Stoner for second place and knocked the Honda over in the process. The former champion said he had simply outbraked himself and dodged to the inside hoping to miss Stoner.



"When I arrived behind Stoner, I didn't want to overtake him in the moment of braking, but I braked a bit too deep compared to him, and I arrived too fast and I didn't have enough room to go on the outside so I tried to go on the inside to make less problems for both of us but unfortunately I lost the front and I also took him out," said Rossi.



"It's completely my mistake and I have to say sorry to Casey. I know that he's very angry because he didn't make any mistakes. I went straight to say sorry."



When Rossi apologised to Stoner in the Honda pit afterwards, television cameras caught the Australian asking Rossi about the health of his injured shoulder and suggesting his 'ambition outweighed his talent'. Rossi laughed off his rival's comments.



"I don't know, maybe he doesn't know exactly who I am!" Rossi said to Italia1 television. "But it's okay, it's fair enough, he's angry and I would be too. I've made a mistake and for me it was important to apologise. I'm not so interested in what he says."



http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90429?utm_source=buzzyuk&utm_medium=site

 

[LittleEgg]

...., how did this turn into an F1 thread? Rob must probably be involved. Dude, get back to telling us how the crash was Stoner's fault. Focus your 3 [sub]1/2[/sub] brain cells.

It was probably your fault.........maybe you were there and rossi caught a glimpse of your manboobs.

LOL everyone agrees that it was rossi's fault, so i dont know what cuckoo land your in with that part lol.

As for F1 sorry i was pointing out the talent of the even more controverisal senna, the only talent youd recognise outside stoner/hayden is the dude who cooks you cheeseburgers at your local burger bar.

 

[renjith_varma]

"I don't know, maybe he doesn't know exactly who I am!" Rossi said to Italia1 television.

I think he was responding to the 'your ambition outweighed talent' part of stoner's retort

 

[Jumkie]

Still in the pub mode..

.... you Jumkie.. .... u PS... .... MotoGP..

Aahh.. now feeling well... Having a holiday on Monday is just great

I'm well past the pub mode buddy.



Cheers.