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what a ....... rossi is...he and stoner would have fought for the podium but no, he has to fk it up completely,after all nobody will blame or sanction him.



Lets get a bit of perspective, there are countless instances of similar accidents where no penalty was given in wet and dry races, and rightfully so. This is a racing incident. It is frustrating, it is disappointing, and its shocking to have Rossi of all people taking out the championship leader, but thats it. Ambition outweighed talent today, Rossi was just taking too many risks because he saw a golden opportunity to get amongst the top riders. Nobody has mentioned a far worse incident at the same corner in the moto2 race.



Anyway we are totally failing to talk about the most important thing today, Lorenzo's masterful ride. He never made a mistake in the trickiest of conditions, won his first ever wet race by miles and took the championship lead. His form continues to be unbelievable.
 
schumacher no ... symbol? below it it says i can't read news older than 30 days without a membership of some sort

I Should have known better, this is what was said





Rossi 'wasn't trying to pass Stoner'

By Toby Moody, Matt Beer, Michele Lostia Sunday, April 3rd 2011, 16:03 GMT



Valentino RossiValentino Rossi says he was not even trying to overtake Casey Stoner when he took the Honda rider out of second in the Spanish Grand Prix.



Rossi had made rapid progress from 11th on the grid on the wet track, but fell when challenging Stoner for second place and knocked the Honda over in the process. The former champion said he had simply outbraked himself and dodged to the inside hoping to miss Stoner.



"When I arrived behind Stoner, I didn't want to overtake him in the moment of braking, but I braked a bit too deep compared to him, and I arrived too fast and I didn't have enough room to go on the outside so I tried to go on the inside to make less problems for both of us but unfortunately I lost the front and I also took him out," said Rossi.



"It's completely my mistake and I have to say sorry to Casey. I know that he's very angry because he didn't make any mistakes. I went straight to say sorry."



When Rossi apologised to Stoner in the Honda pit afterwards, television cameras caught the Australian asking Rossi about the health of his injured shoulder and suggesting his 'ambition outweighed his talent'. Rossi laughed off his rival's comments.



"I don't know, maybe he doesn't know exactly who I am!" Rossi said to Italia1 television. "But it's okay, it's fair enough, he's angry and I would be too. I've made a mistake and for me it was important to apologise. I'm not so interested in what he says."



Although Rossi came back to fifth place after the incident, he was confident he could have won the race had he stayed upright.



"When it was wet I did the fastest lap, so I had a clear chance to win the race," Rossi admitted to reporters.



"At the end the fifth place is a positive result if it was in the dry, but in the wet we were more competitive. We were lucky today with the weather, and the weather gave us a great chance to have the first victory or the first podium with the Ducati. Unfortunately I threw away this chance with a mistake."



He was encouraged that his damaged shoulder - which is still recovering after winter surgery to fix an injury sustained in a motocross crash a year ago - was not an issue in the wet.



"In the wet I could ride at 100 per cent with my shoulder," Rossi said. "I could brake where my eyes said to brake, because the force on the shoulder in the wet is a lot less because the grip of the tyre is less. It's since the beginning of last year that I've not had this feeling. This made me optimistic."
 
Anyway we are totally failing to talk about the most important thing today, Lorenzo's masterful ride. He never made a mistake in the trickiest of conditions, won his first ever wet race by miles and took the championship lead. His form continues to be unbelievable.



That was a scary good ride from lorenzo...



Cool as a cucumber, and i didnt see so much as a jiggle from his bike even when his tyres were knackered.
 
Quote from senna:

By being a racing driver you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, competing to win. And the main motivation is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time.



This has limited value from a driver whos desperation drove him to be downright dangerous, going as far as to crash into one of his rivals on purpose in order to win the title. That is totally unacceptable in modern racing and so it should be.
 
That was a scary good ride from lorenzo...



Cool as a cucumber, and i didnt see so much as a jiggle from his bike even when his tyres were knackered.



Exactly, he seems to be riding better than he ever has done this year already. That tyre was a slick when the race was finished.
 
This has limited value from a driver whos desperation drove him to be downright dangerous, going as far as to crash into one of his rivals on purpose in order to win the title. That is totally unacceptable in modern racing and so it should be.



Yes but that was retalliation for the year before when prost cut him up, and senna got the blame. So by deducting points from senna in that race, prost automaticallly took the title even though he wronged senna.



What senna did was payback for the injustice the previous year....pure and simple, thats why they didnt do a damned thing about it.



Its funny prost shouldnt have won one title while senna was at mclaren, and only the french president can be thanked for gifting it to him despite the collision being entirely prosts fault.



So in fact in was unnaceptable then......but because of the travesty the year before, they allowed it.



F1 THEN>paint drying>F1 NOW.



Anyway sorry going off topic.
 
Yes but that was retalliation for the year before when prost cut him up, and senna got the blame. So by deducting points from senna in that race, prost automaticallly took the title even though he wronged senna.



What senna did was payback for the injustice the previous year....pure and simple, thats why they didnt do a damned thing about it.



Its funny prost shouldnt have won one title while senna was at mclaren, and only the french president can be thanked for gifting it to him despite the collision being entirely prosts fault.



So in fact in was unnaceptable then......but because of the travesty the year before, they allowed it.



F1 THEN>paint drying>F1 NOW.



Anyway sorry going off topic.



What a load of rubbish. Firstly the incident the year before is nowhere near that clear cut (i definitely do not agree with you) and secondly revenge does not in anyway justify his actions, which were fairly disgusting. F1 has come along way since then thankfully.
 
I am new here so hi everybody. Regarding the Rossi-Stoner collision i agree with those who say that it was a racing accident but at the same time these things happen a bit too often with Rossi (Gibernau Jerez, Melandri Motegi, last year he nearly took out Lorenzo in Japan etc.) Another thing that came to my mind watching the race today is some time ago Rossi said, i don't remember the exact quote but it was sth like that Stoner is a fast rider but makes the same mistakes too often. Well Rossi now crashed twice in two days both time losing the front
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wow holy .....so now its rossi tried everything he could to protect stoner`?



hm rob how about you, please come up with another quote from somebody that has/had "questionable" attitude towards racing to justify the stupidity of just blasting towards the apex on the inside of another rider for safety reasons



this should be a good one
 
What a load of rubbish. Firstly the incident the year before is nowhere near that clear cut (i definitely do not agree with you) and secondly revenge does not in anyway justify his actions, which were fairly disgusting. F1 has come along way since then thankfully.



The fact that you wrote "F1 has come a long way since then thankfullly" tells me everything, F1 these days is an utter JOKE......safer, but for pure racing, a joke.



The year previous was absolutely clear cut, and the proof is that the season after NOTHING was done.



Not to mention arial shots so clearly showed prost cutting into senna way before the normal turning point...he was done over, and (oh look french FIA president)balestre gifted the title to prost.



The year after might have been bad, but it was payback...and imo karma.
 
wow holy .....so now its rossi tried everything he could to protect stoner`?



hm rob how about you, please come up with another quote from somebody that has/had "questionable" attitude towards racing to justify the stupidity of just blasting towards the apex on the inside of another rider for safety reasons



this should be a good one



I dont have to justify anything....lol.



The quote was from the greatest single racer of all time imo.



There was an opening today, rossi went for it a little early when he should have held back a corner or two, and the rest is history.



Thats racing folks.



Well its hostory for those of us who dont cling to stoner nuts.
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. It was unacceptable whatever his pathetic reason was.

It may be unacceptable to you. But this ruthlessness and win at all cost philosophy made a legend out of him and has caught the imagination of millions of racing fans across the globe. I guess, Rossi is a bit like Senna (for the better or worse)
 
It may be unacceptable to you. But this ruthlessness and win at all cost philosophy made a legend out of him and has caught the imagination of millions of racing fans across the globe. I guess, Rossi is a bit like Senna (for the better or worse)



I am not doubting that Senna is a legend, neither am i doubting that he was a superb racing driver. But it comes at a cost, schumacher knows that better than most. Rossi is not nearly in the same league as these guys though fortunately
 
Two wrongs don't make a right. It was unacceptable whatever his pathetic reason was.



It was brilliant tbh.
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I loved that about senna....the way he dealt with the season priors injustice. It was daylight robbery, and his answer was like an massive fingers up at the bent FIA of the time.



The guy was epically hard done by the year before and what followed was so fitting.



Of course i guess we just differ vastly in our viewpoints. Prost was an utter crawler and slimey git who was up balestry's ..........senna was the unfavoured one.



In a way he did what the likes a lorenzo and stoner have both threatened, but as of yet failed to do across rossi in retaliation.
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If stoner were to take rossi out in similar fashion next race or the one after, i highly doubt youd put it down as "pathetic"
 
I am not doubting that Senna is a legend, neither am i doubting that he was a superb racing driver. But it comes at a cost, schumacher knows that better than most. Rossi is not nearly in the same league as these guys though fortunately

A bit OT. But I don't think comparing Schumi against Senna is a good idea. One is a temperamental genius who is so unpredictable and the other is a cold calculating machine. Their actions has to be judged based on their personalities I guess.
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