*SPOILERS* Jerez Race Thread

[Keshav]

I'm not sure but I don't think they can bump the Honda.

I've seen GP bikes bump started before. Can't imagine why the Honda would be any different.

Stoner said if the marshalls hadn't flaked out and walked away - but had given him a push

he could have re-entered the race and got some points.

 

[J4rn0]

Ok, that is about one of the most sensable posts by a Rossi fan. Now when r u gonna start rationalizing it? I'll give u a week. If nothing then, well i'll b a monkeys uncle.



Good post J4rno.

There is nothing to rationalize, the blunder will remain a blunder in a week or in a year time... But you certainly know Jum that I do not agree with you and others when you try to use an episode like this to demonize Rossi.. We have different views on Rossi's merits and defects, that's for sure!

 

[kieran]

It is a shame that Rossi made the mistake for he easily had the measure of the field and would have gone on to win judging by his form after the stack.....the pass was clean, he just lost the front, bad luck that's racing, a little Boneheaded yes, but he was much faster and looking to catch Simo asap.

Ah Talpa - which pass are you talking about? Was this the Clayton's pass - the pass you are having when you're not having a pass? Maybe you should go read some of the post result quotes.

ps Of course he had the measure of the field - he is Rossi after all and even when he doesn't win the Rossi cult pronounces he was a certain winner in waiting.

 

[Talpa]

This is the biggest load of sophomoric, antagonistic Bopper ........ and you guys are so unimaginative that you constantly recycle the same line of bogus crap. Tell me, or anyone here with a straight face that if you were being paid millions of dollars to win

championships, had worked your entire life since the age of 11 and sacrificed anything and everything, spent

countless hours, weeks, months, years training and training and training and suffered through multiple serious,

painful injuries and undergone numerous surgeries and committed yourself heart and soul to one purpose and

one purpose only... to win that race - that after being knocked down by an irresponsible clown - you would just

pat him on the back and say "There there old chap, think nothing of it - in fact why don't you pop by my place

later for a spot of tea?" This demonizing of Stoner for simply speaking his mind - is a totally disingenuous

straw man fantasy on your part and and you know it as well as I do.

....... Rubbish, Hypocrite, you spend most of time demonizing Rossi then come out with .... like this- irresponsible clown? I guess they all are then if thats the term we use for those trying to win motogp races .......does all his hard work give Stoner the right to endanger the other riders and himself jumping the fence to gesture as well?



However you look at it Stoners reaction was poor form and will only serve to effect him negatively



Rossi is already laughing it off. This is racing, you clowns were coming out with the same .... last year at Motegi and PI..... If Rossi had taken out Aoyama or Dovi, you would all be laughing your assess off nothing more, this is pathetic....go and watch lawn bowls

 

[rossiofsky]

Im confused. If stoner switched his own bike off and knew he would not be able to restart it track side why is he so pissed off at the marshals not helping him? do they carry the hrc equipment needed to restart the bike?

I dont know exactly what that means, but i suppose he means after it was too late. but there was another bit in that interview that i dont understand.

he said this:

"This is something that riders who are against Valentino have had to learn to deal with. It's completely unfair, but it's something that's happened to me in the past when I've crashed. I've had people pushing my bike off the track - even when it's perfect and I can still race. I've had to fight with marshals to get them to try and get me started again." (where and when?)





but my own final opinion on this is:

for a moment after the crash i wanted to turn off the tv and go out, but i,m happy i didn't. for a few laps after that crash, the race looked like a fake race to me, but later it got better.



I couldn't forgive Rossi for ruining the race that could become a classic and especially that he had a very good chance of winning it, in a few laps he came from 12th to 4th and then 3th, but he hurried up or maybe he was cought by surprise when Stoner braked, and so Rossi became almost oblige to overtake him or he misjudge something else. Anyway It was Rossi's mistake and responsibility, i felt not only bad for them for losing the chance of winning this race, but i was more mad that i like other fans was rubbed of a nice battle between Rossi, Stoner and Lorenzo.

Luckily other riders (Pedrosa, Simonch, Spies, Hayden, Edwards) and the wet track saved the day.



Surprises of the gp: difference of the performance between dry and wet Ducati.

Losers of this race: Simonch and Spies and Dovizioso, but the first two showed again that they are not very far from the front runners, they just need more experience.

 

[GeePee]

Was she blonde? never got that high!

Pretty certain she would've been fully waxed or shaved.

 

[Jumkie]

just watched the video again to see barbera's umbrella girl...she lookin' mighty fine!



still no contest with that monster tech 3 girl that jumkie posted

Dang, I'm mobile. Somebody post a pic of this piece of .... You're killing me Tek.





BTW, would now be a good time to say I told you so? I told you guys Rossi would be a contender for the podium if it rained. Who believed me? [Cue up crickets chirping] Huh huh? Wher is Pov? Chopps, was that you who said I was just "optimistic"? I told you Rossi would be fast in the rain. (Too bad he decided force Stoner to go surfing with him prematurely). BTW, now we are ......, as you will hear reports of deluge everywhere on the planet now; the Rossi faithful will be in a collective circle jerk rain dance.

 

[GeePee]

I remember someone (Jumkie?) had a pretty funny Hayden/Pedrossa t shirt.



How long before the Rossi/Stoner t shirt is out.

Maybe Crashi v Crashey

 

[techno]

Dang, I'm mobile. Somebody post a pic of this piece of .... You're killing me Tek.

Best I got is a pic on mobile off tv if anyones got owt better

 

[esco]

Dang, I'm mobile. Somebody post a pic of this piece of .... You're killing me Tek.





BTW, would now be a good time to say I told you so? I told you guys Rossi would be a contender for the podium if it rained. Who believed me? [Cue up crickets chirping] Huh huh? Wher is Pov? Chopps, was that you who said I was just "optimistic"? I told you Rossi would be fast in the rain. (Too bad he decided force Stoner to go surfing with him prematurely). BTW, now we are ......, as you will hear reports of deluge everywhere on the planet now; the Rossi faithful will be in a collective circle jerk rain dance.

She was ok. I thought nicky's umbrella girl was the best.

 

[Jumkie]

Best I got is a pic on mobile off tv if anyones got owt better

Dang, is that nipple? Iphone is grainy when I blow up pic.

 

[Jumkie]

I remember someone (Jumkie?) had a pretty funny Hayden/Pedrossa t shirt.



How long before the Rossi/Stoner t shirt is out.

Maybe Crashi v Crashey

I'll work on one. Maybe take to Silverstone! Good call dude.

 

[Keshav]

....... Rubbish, Hypocrite, you spend most of time demonizing Rossi then come out with .... like this- irresponsible clown? I guess they all are then if thats the term we use for those trying to win motogp races .......does all his hard work give Stoner the right to endanger the other riders and himself jumping the fence to gesture as well?



However you look at it Stoners reaction was poor form and will only serve to effect him negatively



Rossi is already laughing it off. This is racing, you clowns were coming out with the same .... last year at Motegi and PI..... If Rossi had taken out Aoyama or Dovi, you would all be laughing your assess off nothing more, this is pathetic....go and watch lawn bowls

No - that would be your job. Those people who have genuine respect for all riders - want to see

every other rider treated with equal regard. I don't relish the idea of seeing any rider being

being taken out of the race by an over-reaching fool - over-riding a bike on which he has no

experience in the rain - trying to win the race in the first three laps - because his ego is so

huge. For Rossi to do something so patently foolhardy one can only assume he has been

reading his own press for too long and has been drinking his own Kool-Aid.



And I'll say this. If Rossi had come to Stoner without the huge entourage and the camera crew

and no helmet on and made a genuine apology - like a mature adult -without all the ........ justifications - you can bet that Stoner would have shook his hand and gracefully accepted his apology - without the sarcasm.



Lastly - you and Nino keep hammering on this ........ about about Stoner "not being a man"

because he used sarcasm. If you follow that logic to it's conclusion then you and Nino are

even bigger ....... - because you employ sarcasm in pretty much every post you write.

 

[Tekniqs]

everyone makes mistakes in racing...it's just very unfortunate that an innocent bystander (stoner) had to suffer the consequences of a mistake made by another rider. to me, this "move" was cleaner than his pass on jlo in motegi, his pass on gibbers in 05, his corkscrew pass...he just made a mistake and took stoner out along with him. it was very similar to his pass on jlo in sepang last year (albeit dry track) into turn 9. difference is he stayed on in sepang, but fell off in jerez.

this thread subject will be repeated ad nauseum until estoril rolls around...anyone planning on taking a hiatus until race weekend?

 

[SuperShinya56]

She was ok. I thought nicky's umbrella girl was the best.

Too bad NIcky swings for the other team.

 

[michaelm]

everyone makes mistakes in racing...it's just very unfortunate that an innocent bystander (stoner) had to suffer the consequences of a mistake made by another rider. to me, this "move" was cleaner than his pass on jlo in motegi, his pass on gibbers in 05, his corkscrew pass...he just made a mistake and took stoner out along with him. it was very similar to his pass on jlo in sepang last year (albeit dry track) into turn 9. difference is he stayed on in sepang, but fell off in jerez.

this thread subject will be repeated ad nauseum until estoril rolls around...anyone planning on taking a hiatus until race weekend?

Thanks for providing the reminder, I had previously given him the benefit of the doubt for the sepang pass; that makes 3 examples of reckless riding in the last 6 races, counting the first corner at qatar 2011, whereas prior to last year it was 2 examples in 4 years, showing he is becoming desparate, and not in any good way.

 

[SoHotRightNow]

I'm a big Rossi fan, but I feel the crash was a boneheaded and irresponsible move on his part. He was clearly faster than those ahead of him and he didn't need to rush and make that move so early in the race. But I also understand that he is only human and sometimes we can get a bit excited in competition, and I think that is what happened to him. There has been a lot of pressure put on him to perform on the Ducati and this was his chance to prove it. It really was just a racing incident and I think fans of either rider should leave it at that and stop trying to demonise either of them. Casey, had every right to be mad. He was the title leader and now has it all to do again. In a very competitive championship you can't afford to throw away races like that. Given the circumstances I feel his reaction to the incident was justified. It might not have been the most PR friendly way to handle it, but it was genuine and honest. Casey is who he is and everyone can't handle a situation as charismatically as a Valentino Rossi can, we should just accept that.

 

[akeizm]

I'm a big Rossi fan, but I feel the crash was a boneheaded and irresponsible move on his part. He was clearly faster than those ahead of him and he didn't need to rush and make that move so early in the race. But I also understand that he is only human and sometimes we can get a bit excited in competition, and I think that is what happened to him. There has been a lot of pressure put on him to perform on the Ducati and this was his chance to prove it. It really was just a racing incident and I think fans of either rider should leave it at that and stop trying to demonise either of them. Casey, had every right to be mad. He was the title leader and now has it all to do again. In a very competitive championship you can't afford to throw away races like that. Given the circumstances I feel his reaction to the incident was justified. It might not have been the most PR friendly way to handle it, but it was genuine and honest. Casey is who he is and everyone can't handle a situation as charismatically as a Valentino Rossi can, we should just accept that.

+1 to this reply.

 

[Mr Squiggle]

I'm a big Rossi fan, but I feel the crash was a boneheaded and irresponsible move on his part. He was clearly faster than those ahead of him and he didn't need to rush and make that move so early in the race. But I also understand that he is only human and sometimes we can get a bit excited in competition, and I think that is what happened to him. There has been a lot of pressure put on him to perform on the Ducati and this was his chance to prove it. It really was just a racing incident and I think fans of either rider should leave it at that and stop trying to demonise either of them. Casey, had every right to be mad. He was the title leader and now has it all to do again. In a very competitive championship you can't afford to throw away races like that. Given the circumstances I feel his reaction to the incident was justified. It might not have been the most PR friendly way to handle it, but it was genuine and honest. Casey is who he is and everyone can't handle a situation as charismatically as a Valentino Rossi can, we should just accept that.

A very fair, balanced and reasonable assesment of the situation. Obviously you are a first and foremost a MGP fan but also a Rossi fan.

 

[spooky]

I'm a big Rossi fan, but I feel the crash was a boneheaded and irresponsible move on his part. He was clearly faster than those ahead of him and he didn't need to rush and make that move so early in the race. But I also understand that he is only human and sometimes we can get a bit excited in competition, and I think that is what happened to him. There has been a lot of pressure put on him to perform on the Ducati and this was his chance to prove it. It really was just a racing incident and I think fans of either rider should leave it at that and stop trying to demonise either of them. Casey, had every right to be mad. He was the title leader and now has it all to do again. In a very competitive championship you can't afford to throw away races like that. Given the circumstances I feel his reaction to the incident was justified. It might not have been the most PR friendly way to handle it, but it was genuine and honest. Casey is who he is and everyone can't handle a situation as charismatically as a Valentino Rossi can, we should just accept that.

Couldnt agree more. It's getting a tad boring reading some of these posts, everyones looking for an excuse to hate. It was a mistake, Stoner will bounce back and Rossi will learn. I do think the marshalls were ......s though...