Sachsenring race!!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If your argument is correct, then all of Rossi's wins this year are rubbish because he is clearly on the "best bike"....

Developed by himself and his team since 2004 of course… In contrast to the 2007 Ducati! Plus the Bridgestones that got the ‘One Tyre Manufacturer’ for a reason of course… I know, I know it's just up and down and up and down, etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree

What I don't understand is why he doesn't give more effort. He puts down fast laps early on in practice and qp and then goes and takes a nap. And if someone puts a better lap down he stumbles back on track and trys to put down a faster lap. I have been watching him do that for a couple years now. And on fridays and saturdays he has been fast and sc fans are talking their ..... But come sundays of late all you guys do is eat crow.
And thats the main reason I don't like that dude, because to me he seems to have poor work ethic.

Pregnancy perhaps?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 22 2009, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Developed by himself and his team since 2004 of course… In contrast to the 2007 Ducati! Plus the Bridgestones that got the 'One Tyre Manufacturer' for a reason of course… I know, I know it's just up and down and up and down, etc.


Didn't most teams have to go back to the drawing board in 2007?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 22 2009, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess what I am saying is that if you like Hayden and Stoner, and try to tear Rossi apart, please don’t just change as needed by race’s Results. We (Rossi worshipers) have enough data to back him up. Como siempre Amigos man.

Dude, you crack me up. You know, its very nice here during Christmas, you should visit.

Hermano, you can see I'm not "tearing apart" Rossi, what I have been "tearing apart" is this notion that Stoner was/is incapable of winning without some bike assist or rival misfortune. And as you can see, I've put together a pretty good argument.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Anyone check out the hyper slo-mo camera footage on motogp.com? It's a free video.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/MotoGP+...wMotion+footage

Hey jumkie how much info do you think babel can get of these cameras?

Allot my friend! Allot. Especially with those X-ray eyes. This slow mo camera work is gold. It makes it easier for him to see the internals. (Not that he couldn't before as they screamed by at 100mph+ standing 50m away). I'm just saying this slow mo is like an assist, you know, like TC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 22 2009, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pregnancy perhaps?
I have stated before that anemia & mourning sickness were signs of being preggers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Allot my friend! Allot. Especially with those X-ray eyes. This slow mo camera work is gold. It makes it easier for him to see the internals. (Not that he couldn't before as they screamed by at 100mph+ standing 50m away). I'm just saying this slow mo is like an assist, you know, like TC.
It's like tc for your eyes man.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Jul 22 2009, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't most teams have to go back to the drawing board in 2007?

Definetly, but it will never be the same to go from a Manufacturer's style of developing a bike (Honda) to another with totally different data, processes, etc. (Ducati). Bike that was developed by other riders and team data. Unlike from Yamaha to Yamaha with a change in cylinders, but same developing and manufacturing policies.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have stated before that anemia & mourning sickness were signs of being preggers.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialWhat about twins? Just a joke! Silly one by the way!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> It's like tc for your eyes man.
Check your PM.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 22 2009, 10:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Definetly, but it will never be the same to go from a Manufacturer's style of developing a bike (Honda) to another with totally different data, processes, etc. (Ducati). Bike that was developed by other riders and team data. Unlike from Yamaha to Yamaha with a change in cylinders, but same developing and manufacturing policies.

This here supports the idea that Stoner's 07 title was even more impressive. Rossi, on a bike with a continuum of development, developed by him for him (fact) vs. Stoner, a bike developed for somebody else by somebody else (fact), but still Casey kicked ... on it. That's pretty impressive, wouldn't you say?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dude, you crack me up. You know, its very nice here doing Christmas, you should visit.

Hermano, you can see I'm not "tearing apart" Rossi, what I have been "tearing apart" is this notion that Stoner was/is incapable of winning without some bike assist or rival misfortune. And as you can see, I've put together a pretty good argument.

Right, still 'I think' that Bridgestones won the 'One tyre manufacturer' deal for a reason. 2007 was all Rossi 'whining' about tyres (and Pedrosa's too), but things did change once most riders changed to Bridgestones. So Jumkie, you have great arguments, but there are a lot of factors involved.

If I get to go on Christmas again, I will surely give you a call.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If your argument is correct, then all of Rossi's wins this year are rubbish because he is clearly on the "best bike"....

4 wins in 9 races that could be considered crappy ones... If I was to choose to be the best developer of a bike and that way win over 100 races, from a great rider that cannot develop a bike with few wins (Pedrosa) it would be a tough call, I mean with so many wins the pay check would get cool. The thing is, Rossi can get great wins on skill, experience, risks when should risk, record breaking, and a lot on 'Development' too… what more can you ask for?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This here supports the idea that Stoner's 07 title was even more impressive. Rossi, on a bike with a continuum of development, developed by him for him (fact) vs. Stoner, a bike developed for somebody else by somebody else (fact), but still Casey kicked ... on it. That's pretty impressive, wouldn't you say?

Yeap, Ducati just got it right the first time around!

Backing Jumkie into a corner over Hayden's ability is seriously on the cards for the taker.

Who would dare sound like "The Hong Kong John" though?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree

What I don't understand is why he doesn't give more effort. He puts down fast laps early on in practice and qp and then goes and takes a nap. And if someone puts a better lap down he stumbles back on track and trys to put down a faster lap. I have been watching him do that for a couple years now. And on fridays and saturdays he has been fast and sc fans are talking their ..... But come sundays of late all you guys do is eat crow.
And thats the main reason I don't like that dude, because to me<u> he seems to have poor work ethic</u>.


C'mon - yer being obtuse. The guy is physically unfit. He has some form of
chronic fatigue - that much is clear. When you're battling an illness - being
able to get sufficient rest is a no-brainer. Whatever is ailing him probably won't
go away until he gets sufficient down-time. Keeping up with the race schedule
doesn't allow him enough time for him to fully recuperate. A damaged endocrine
system is not like a sprained ankle or injured shoulder that you can just shrug off
and race well regardless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jul 22 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Backing Jumkie into a corner over Hayden's ability is seriously on the cards for the taker.

Who would dare sound like "The Hong Kong John" though?
Don't you dare my friend, don't you dare.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 22 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well if it's both neither can be that bad seeing stoner is still finishing 3rd or 4th every week. He is just not far enough behind for there to be any major issues with the bike if he is as ill as there saying.


Again . . . there's the "if" he's as sick etc. There's no credible reason to doubt it.
Look at Stoner's past wins. When he won - for the most part - he would, once
at the front - pull away and not be challenged. Now he gets up front and passes
everyone - and then fades. I'm no doctor but I have had chronic fatigue issues
in the past - and I know what it's like to wake up and feel decent and then as the
day goes on energy drains and you ....... feel like you're gonna die. Stoner has
some form of this, that much is clear. Sure as .... - he ain't gonna win
the championship this year. I wish for his sake - the team would pull him out
and send him back to Oz to get well so he could be competitive in 2010. It's
....... painful to watch him struggling out there and hasn't got a chance of
better than 3rd. Kinda like a race horse that should be put out of his pain.
I don't mean to make a martyr out of him - he's getting paid well enough
and must know the risks to his health - but if he has no chance of winning
Ducati should value him and put him on the injured list.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 22 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>C'mon - yer being obtuse. The guy is physically unfit. He has some form of
chronic fatigue - that much is clear. When you're battling an illness - being
able to get sufficient rest is a no-brainer. Whatever is ailing him probably won't
go away until he gets sufficient down-time. Keeping up with the race schedule
doesn't allow him enough time for him to fully recuperate. A damaged endocrine
system is not like a sprained ankle or injured shoulder that you can just shrug off
and race well regardless.
Yeah but I think he had poor work ethic before he got "sick." Even the year he won the championship he was a slacker. The dude has the muscle tone of a 11 year old Ethiopian girl. Hit the gym once in a while for ..... sake. Maybe if he exercised once in a while he wouldn't get so much anxiety, errr sunday flu, before the races. He said as late as sunday that he still doesn't know what wrong with him. .... if you would have told me at the beginning of this season that Dani Pedrosa was tougher than Casey Stoner. I would of puked in <u>my</u> helmet. He is fast as ...., but he is with out a doubt the biggest ..... on the grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 22 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Again . . . there's the "if" he's as sick etc. There's no credible reason to doubt it.
Look at Stoner's past wins. When he won - for the most part - he would, once
at the front - pull away and not be challenged. Now he gets up front and passes
everyone - and then fades. I'm no doctor but I have had chronic fatigue issues
in the past - and I know what it's like to wake up and feel decent and then as the
day goes on energy drains and you ....... feel like you're gonna die. Stoner has
some form of this, that much is clear. Sure as .... - he ain't gonna win
the championship this year. I wish for his sake - the team would pull him out
and send him back to Oz to get well so he could be competitive in 2010. It's
....... painful to watch him struggling out there and hasn't got a chance of
better than 3rd. Kinda like a race horse that should be put out of his pain.
I don't mean to make a martyr out of him - he's getting paid well enough
and must know the risks to his health - but if he has no chance of winning
Ducati should value him and put him on the injured list.
i dont doubt he is sick, but there's plenty here stating the yam has such a big advantage over the duc that if that were the case he cant be that ill. either he is ill but the bike is good enough or the bike is off par and casey is not that ill. if it were both he would be way down the pack, surley. thats my point.

When Casey got the corner wrong and looked back, my initial thought was that he was checking to see if anyone was crawling up his backside since he dropped so much speed and needed to get back on the racing line. Upon repeated viewings, I still hold this interpretation to be the correct one.

The second look down on the front straight I interpreted to be a signal to the crew. It might be my imagination, but it seems like Stoner usually gives a head bob or some kind of signal to the crew flying down the straight. I think it's a Ducati thing because I'm sure I saw Bayliss do it a lot last year as well.

I give the kid the benefit of the doubt. It's easy to call someone out for a couple weird reactions to high pressure situations, but we're all human. I seriously would not want anyone to follow me around all day and record my little outbursts over stupid .... let alone when million dollar contracts are at stake.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Jul 22 2009, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah but I think he had poor work ethic before he got "sick." Even the year he won the championship he was a slacker. The dude has the muscle tone of a 11 year old Ethiopian girl. Hit the gym once in a while for ..... sake. Maybe if he exercised once in a while he wouldn't get so much anxiety, errr sunday flu, before the races. He said as late as sunday that he still doesn't know what wrong with him. .... if you would have told me at the beginning of this season that Dani Pedrosa was tougher than Casey Stoner. I would of puked in <u>my</u> helmet. He is fast as ...., but he is with out a doubt the biggest ..... on the grid.

L8! You have created a monster!