Sachsenring race!!!

Hello from Germany,

I was last weekend on the Sachsenring. The track is only 10Miles from my home away. I ve made some pictures which you can see in the "Galerie" of www.Virtual-Pitwalk.de.
>>Here<< is the direct Link to the Pictures.

A little Preview for you:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Matthias Siegl @ Jul 22 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hello from Germany,

I was last weekend on the Sachsenring. The track is only 10Miles from my home away. I ve made some pictures which you can see in the "Galerie" of www.Virtual-Pitwalk.de.
>>Here<< is the direct Link to the Pictures.

A little Preview for you:

Hey..great pics!

welcome to the forum mate!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Matthias Siegl @ Jul 22 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hello from Germany,

I was last weekend on the Sachsenring. The track is only 10Miles from my home away. I ve made some pictures which you can see in the "Galerie" of www.Virtual-Pitwalk.de.
>>Here<< is the direct Link to the Pictures.

A little Preview for you:

great pics, thanks for sharing

Great pic's mate! Thanks for sharing.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:Arial<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 22 2009, 03:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialWell I'm obviously biased but I think Rossi in his best shape is better than Stoner in his best shape. In '07 though Stoner was the best rider on the best bike. It was frustrating for Rossi to use all his talent that year to pass stoner in the turns and then get easily passed on the straight... that said Stoner was great to stay with Rossi in the most difficult track parts, he deserved that championship.

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:Arial<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialOK, Inam, I'll make you a deal. If Stoner wins the next race, I'll spend all my time supporting the Rossi Faithful and rebutting Stoner fans claims that its Rossi's bike doing all the work. DEAL? Oh, and if Hayden wins, I'll just explode!

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialNo brother, take sides or sit out, because in this case anyone can also become the ‘devil’s advocate’ mate, for example:

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:Arial...In the Championship Standings Capirossi, De Puniet, Dovizioso, and Pedrosa are higher than Hayden, Toseland was higher one race before. In Sachsenring De Puniet and Dovizioso did not classify (8th perhaps +2 could have been 10th). In Laguna Seca Capirossi, Dovizioso and Toseland did not classify (5th perhaps +3 could have been 8th). In Assen Dovizioso and Pedrosa did not classify (8th perhaps +2 could have been 10th). Also in Laguna Seca Hayden has won twice and in Assen once. I am being ultra pessimistic but still in 13th in the Championship...

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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%<span style="font-family:ArialI guess what I am saying is that if you like Hayden and Stoner, and try to tear Rossi apart, please don’t just change as needed by race’s Results. We (Rossi worshipers) have enough data to back him up. Como siempre Amigos man.

Anyone check out the hyper slo-mo camera footage on motogp.com? It's a free video.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2009/MotoGP+...wMotion+footage

Hey jumkie how much info do you think babel can get of these cameras?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 22 2009, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, please tell me if I did the right or wrong thing here as a means of pre-empting any real argument.
Brilliant Garry! BRILLIANT! Now that's what I'm talking about! Hahaha, love it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brilliant Garry! BRILLIANT! Now that's what I'm talking about! Hahaha, love it.
poor old guinters, he has had a fair few bangs on the head in his day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 08:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>!OK, Inam, I'll make you a deal. If Stoner wins the next race, I'll spend all my time supporting the Rossi Faithful and rebutting Stoner fans claims that its Rossi's bike doing all the work. DEAL? Oh, and if Hayden wins, I'll just explode!
Jumkie i don't think so stoner's fan from sookland really need your services, i am sure they will just do fine even without you as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inam @ Jul 22 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie i don't think so stoner's fan from sookland really need your services, i am sure they will just do fine even without you as well.
yeah jumkie, as you said the rossi faithful are eating the stoner Apologists alive just like the farmboy fanboys were eaten alive by the mindless cheerleaders back in 06

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 22 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> yeah jumkie, as you said the rossi faithful are eating the stoner Apologists alive just like the farmboy fanboys were eaten alive by the mindless cheerleaders back in 06
nahhhh... the farmboy fans kicked your ...'s...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 22 2009, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nahhhh... the farmboy fans kicked your ...'s...
Not how i remember it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 22 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not how i remember it
memory is a funny thing ain't it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 21 2009, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So which is it ?? , stoner under par or the yam is the best bike ??

I say it's both. The Ducati has the power - but the handling is clearly
only useful to Stoner - thus far.

That's Stoner himself is not firing on all four cylinders - is clear.

The Yamaha - in pretty much everybody's opinion - has the best
combination of power and handling in 2009.

Even the Stoner haters would have to be churlish to refute the fact
- that when the red-headed kid is in good health he has the capacity to
beat Rossi and Lorenzo despite the bizarre handling qualities of the Ducati.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 22 2009, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>poor old guinters, he has had a fair few bangs on the head in his day.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 03:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great quote, Guintoli is right.

Guintoli? Guintoli? Guintoli who? Kind of rings a bell… Are you basing your data on a rider that had an average points per race of 3.16, and an average position of 13th in 37 races total, and had a 16th place in 2007, and a 13th place in 2008? Really?

Although on Guintoli’s defense, in 2007 Nakano and Tamada ended lower. In 2008 also De Angelis, De Puniet, Hopkins, Melandri and West ended lower too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 22 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I say it's both. The Ducati has the power - but the handling is clearly
only useful to Stoner - thus far.

That's Stoner himself is not firing on all four cylinders - is clear.

The Yamaha - in pretty much everybody's opinion - has the best
combination of power and handling in 2009.

Even the Stoner haters would have to be churlish to refute the fact
- that when the red-headed kid is in good health he has the capacity to
beat Rossi and Lorenzo despite the bizarre handling qualities of the Ducati.
well if it's both neither can be that bad seeing stoner is still finishing 3rd or 4th every week. He is just not far enough behind for there to be any major issues with the bike if he is as ill as there saying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Jul 22 2009, 01:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well I'm obviously biased but I think Rossi in his best shape is better than Stoner in his best shape. In '07 though Stoner was the best rider on the best bike. It was frustrating for Rossi to use all his talent that year to pass stoner in the turns and then get easily passed on the straight... that said Stoner was great to stay with Rossi in the most difficult track parts, he deserved that championship.

Tell me what parts of my argument do not make sense (point by point). If you do that, then I'll agree with you. But it seems you have just read my points and decided the laws of physics do not apply to Rossi. Did you read the parts that compromises must be made? Why do you insist that is was so easy for Stoner to negotiate the turns (all the visual evidence points to the opposite)? Why do you insist that it took extra effort for Rossi to negotiate the turns. I content that the turns were easier for Rossi, and the evidence supports this. Why? Because he did catch up on the turns, hence the bike handled better. Are you going to say he caught up because he was running on the edge? Ok, so how does this not apply to this year in regard to Stoner? (see below). You want to know another reason why the evidence supports what I’m saying? Because Rossi, in 07 won the second race of the season. (Did you miss when I said this?) That is right, at the peak of the what you’re fixated on—the straight-line speed, Rossi managed to win at Jerez (race 2 of the season). Amazing isn’t it? That kinda blows your entire idea that straight-line speed is an unfair advantage.

I contend Rossi won at Jerez because his bike handled better, we can say his bike had an “unfair advantage” in the turns (which is 90% of all tracks). So Ducati, knowing they couldn’t compete with Rossi on the turns (because his bike was so much better in handling) decided to compromise handling and increase straight-line speed. ITS AMAZING THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER STONER BLASTING PAST BUT DO NOT REMEMBER HIS BIKE PROTESTING, BUCKING, CONVULSING AT EVERY TURN! Answer this, why would the bike have to behave like this??? Why? Answer: Because it did NOT handle as good as the Yamaha! But all you can remember is the image of the straight? Why can’t you also remember the images on the turns? Tell me how this does NOT make sense? Tell me how everything in the evidence record does NOT point to this contention that I am explaining to you? You will not be able to do it.

If your argument is correct, then all of Rossi's wins this year are rubbish because he is clearly on the "best bike". As you say, why should Stoner risk riding on the edge only for Ross's Yamaha to out perform Casey's efforts? So this title is a farce. That is using your LOGIC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 22 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I say it's both. The Ducati has the power - but the handling is clearly
only useful to Stoner - thus far.

That's Stoner himself is not firing on all four cylinders - is clear.

The Yamaha - in pretty much everybody's opinion - has the best
combination of power and handling in 2009.

Even the Stoner haters would have to be churlish to refute the fact
- that when the red-headed kid is in good health he has the capacity to
beat Rossi and Lorenzo despite the bizarre handling qualities of the Ducati.
I agree

What I don't understand is why he doesn't give more effort. He puts down fast laps early on in practice and qp and then goes and takes a nap. And if someone puts a better lap down he stumbles back on track and trys to put down a faster lap. I have been watching him do that for a couple years now. And on fridays and saturdays he has been fast and sc fans are talking their ..... But come sundays of late all you guys do is eat crow.
And thats the main reason I don't like that dude, because to me he seems to have poor work ethic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 22 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ITS AMAZING THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER STONER BLASTING PAST BUT DO NOT REMEMBER HIS BIKE PROTESTING, BUCKING, CONVULSING AT EVERY TURN!
You throw this in as just a matter of fact. If we dare debate this we end up going way way off topic and get accused of being fanboys

An annoying little tactic