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Nicky Hayden ....... rules hell yea....go Hayden!
22 kicks kart ... and SS56 isn't up to the challenge....nuff said.....go Hayden!
Sachsenring MotoGP Race (Spoilers)
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Nicky Hayden ....... rules hell yea....go Hayden!
22 kicks kart ... and SS56 isn't up to the challenge....nuff said.....go Hayden!
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Then this guy must be a physiologic mess. He is the same height as Spies, yet weighs 15 pounds less. With all of that going against him, he has somehow shown to have the most physical and mental stamina of any man on the planet the last 2 years. HMM12340:Contador.jpg]
There is nothing wrong with Spies, he has plenty of stamina, and his nuerons are firing fine, he is just not as fast as Lorenzo, Pedro , Stoner, and probably Rossi.
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Spot on Pov hope you don't mind I added in your post in bold.......
Spare me Spies isn't fit - heck he's been at it long enough don't you think, there's no doubting he's on a good bike, the opposition to date is faster !
I hope he gets up there for the more the merrier fighting for podiums makes it great for all.
Time will tell soon enough but let me put this up to you - Lolli arrives to motogp into VR's Yama team - benefits from a good sorted bike and his absolute no doubt great skill finish's 4th 08, 2nd 09 Champ 10.
Now Pieman has the same bike finish's 6th last year great stuff Rookie of the Year, gets his 1st win this season but look at Lolli in his 2nd year in the team finished 2nd, be interesting where the Pieman finish's, its not fitness imo but the competition is fierce and his bike set up is crictical, depending no injuries for the top riders till season end he'll be fighting for 5th - 6th or 7th in the standings......
Joined Feb 2007
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I dont mind at all, its the truth. Im a Spies fan, i just dont beleive that if he ate a couple of juicy steaks a week it would boost him to a title
I dont mind at all, its the truth. Im a Spies fan, i just dont beleive that if he ate a couple of juicy steaks a week it would boost him to a title
Put some clenbuterol in the steaks, though, and he'd be flying from lights off.
Seriously, Spies' "issue" is trusting the tires early:
Now you're just complaining about the laws of physics. This is a sport that rewards low body weight, and until there's a very high combined rider/bike weight limit, it's simply reality that GP riders will be scrawny. All of them.
The RC51 was built to slap Ducati in the face, Honda basically said we can build a twin and have a 250cc advantage just like you and we're gonna do it better than you. This is how the bike came about and Colin won the 2000 WSBK championship with it. Colin was also credited with developing the bike.
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I still don't get what everyone else was doing when Nicky fluked the title, was there not other riders that year, if Nicky sucked so bad why didn't someone else win it?
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Just tell me already. I'm not getting it.
No I don't think Dani and Jorge are better than Stoner based solely on the Sachsenring result. I do think they are all pretty close, however. Just like I think Nicky and Dovi are pretty close ability-wise.
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Just tell me already. I'm not getting it.
No I don't think Dani and Jorge are better than Stoner based solely on the Sachsenring result. I do think they are all pretty close, however. Just like I think Nicky and Dovi are pretty close ability-wise.
The year that you cite comparing Dovi and Hayden, is a year that the bike was decidedly Pedro's. The satellite bike was being conformed to Dovi, for him. Much like the factory Ducati is Rossi's for Nicky to ride, while Karel's is conforming to him, for him. That's probably why we see Karel doing pretty good in relation to Rossi (not the same Duc).
You site that one year and particularly a couple of races, just like now, where Pedro & Lorenzo beat Stoner. You had said in an earlier post you couldn't make the leap, but you are making one. Anyway, that's what I think as far as comparisons go. I don't think Dovi would keep up with Niky on the Duc, and I'm sure Nicky would keep up with Dovi on the HRC (only because of the paradigm shift, its no long a Pedro show, where as Ducati is a Rossi show. That's the story of Nicky's life under Rossi/Pedro/Rossi.
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All I have to go by is results. I'm not in the team. I'm not privy to what Honda did and didn't do for Nicky. But as a viewer I have seen Dovizioso out-do Nicky as a rookie on a private bike and, as a Repsol rider, hang with the "aliens" at times. I don't think there is a big gap between the two, but I wouldn't say with certainty Nicky would beat Dovizioso if he were given a factory Honda again.
As much as I like him, I'm not convinced he had the potential to win 10+ GPs if only the team were a little different. Honda bothered to hire him and never gave him the tools to succeed at any point from '03-'08? Really? (although I have to admit, the mid-season clutch issues in 2006 were mind-boggling)
The first race I've watched all the way through this season and wow, what a race, some very good battles going on for first, and then second and also for 7th.
It really was an exciting race to watch and I am glad that Pedrosa managed to come through and take the win, it's brilliant. Shame he's too far behind though. The one thing that I do love about the sport is no crappy team decision come into play, for example if this was F1, the team would have been over the radio to tell Pedrosa that he had some kind of problem or that Stoner was faster and made sure he let Stoner through for the win, but it's great that doesn't happen and once Peds got into the lead their was only going to be one winner.
Once Peds did get into the lead though it was a exciting battle to watch between Stoner and Lorenzo and it was a great overtake on the last lap especially when moment earlier it looked like he had maybe messed his chances up with a slight mistake but thought back well.
Finally the battle for 7th went all the way to the final corner and what a final lap and corner by Bautista to snatch 7th position.
All in all a great race and one that has certainly got me back into it and can't wait for Round 10 already.
It really was an exciting race to watch and I am glad that Pedrosa managed to come through and take the win, it's brilliant. Shame he's too far behind though. The one thing that I do love about the sport is no crappy team decision come into play, for example if this was F1, the team would have been over the radio to tell Pedrosa that he had some kind of problem or that Stoner was faster and made sure he let Stoner through for the win, but it's great that doesn't happen and once Peds got into the lead their was only going to be one winner.
Once Peds did get into the lead though it was a exciting battle to watch between Stoner and Lorenzo and it was a great overtake on the last lap especially when moment earlier it looked like he had maybe messed his chances up with a slight mistake but thought back well.
Finally the battle for 7th went all the way to the final corner and what a final lap and corner by Bautista to snatch 7th position.
All in all a great race and one that has certainly got me back into it and can't wait for Round 10 already.
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Then we disagree my good friend.
You don't need to be on the team, lets not go there. Like peeps saying if they were not a fly on the wall any comments are untenable, etc. The bike being designed for Pedro is not really debatable dude. When Nicky had the bike not for Rossi and not yet for Pedro, he was "keeping up with the 'aliens' (this was the case only ONE year in Nicky's career). Again, I already explained why Dovi was able to do what he did on a 'satellite' without the decided shadow of Pedro.
Who said wining 10+ GPs? Dovi has got one, in the rain. As far as Honda bothering to hire, are you aware of #2 riders? You think Ducati bothered to 'keep' Nicky to win while signing Rossi? Its the same .... with Pedro. The answer is, NO. They're full press with HRC was Pedro, period. He never got the job done, so enter 2011, Stoner.
Think he meant Pedrosa, and I'd agree between the two it's no contest. Before the reflexive "who has more championships" retort is made, I'll say Hayden's was absolutely deserved, but Honda could hardly base future seasons on the assumption everything would fall into place the way it did for Hayden in '06.
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I haven't really kept up with this debate, so consider this comment just on your post. A couple of thoughts. First of all, Spies is fit for his line of work, no question. But there is something to say for health. I doubt Spies (and Hayden) are at their optimal body health parameters. That they are fit despite having to diet like crazy is another thing entirely. I'm sure you understand this (maybe you don’t). These guys come dangerously close to being emaciated. I'll even contend that's what lead to Stoner's illness. They can't just lose weight under their normal body parameters and think their health is not effect. You put a picture of this rider, what is your point? Do you realize that his shape, which allows him to compete at the moment, if sustained, would probably lead to very serious health consequences? Its NOT NORMAL.
Joined Feb 2007
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Neither is being 5'7" and weighing 185
Ben Spies is 5'10" and is listed as weighing 159 pounds. If you look at ideal weights for men, he is right there in the middle of the high and the low. He said after his first season that weight was not as big a deal as he thought it would be on the GP bikes. He said he might lose 5-6 pounds for this year, mainly for his cycling.
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Neither is being 5'7" and weighing 185
Point taken you .....
Point taken you .....In my defense, I'm dieting. A steady diet of Mex food, beer, and tequila, and this week Woods rum.
Still haven't taken those bronzed glasses off then?
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