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It was the nature of the little toe poke that made me laugh. Like someone nudging a piece of roadkill to see if it's still alive [emoji1]
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It was the nature of the little toe poke that made me laugh. Like someone nudging a piece of roadkill to see if it's still alive [emoji1]
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As a fellow Aussie I really like Jack, and his Assen win is my favourite MotoGP race that i've watched several times. However seeing the push left a kind of sour taste in my mouth - I get it's in the heat of the moment but I just thought it was a really crappy thing to do. Don't get me wrong I'm still a fan, but he needs to calm the f* down
While I would have preferred Rossi to win (i can dream) it was nice to see Pedrosa come away with a win
While I would have preferred Rossi to win (i can dream) it was nice to see Pedrosa come away with a win
Vinaeles has confirmed that If a rider comes out and says something against the tyres they get an email. He says he can't tell the truth about what happened. He seems to insinuate he may have gotten a dud tyre to the Spanish press.
Quote from Dovi
"With Michelin still, it's not so easy to manage every weekend. The situation is never stable, so you have to be smart to manage the situation. Every weekend is different, and something different happened this weekend to the last weekend," Dovizioso said. "Every weekend, you have to adapt and understand exactly what's going on. It's not so easy, but it's the same for everybody. This is the championship."
"With Michelin still, it's not so easy to manage every weekend. The situation is never stable, so you have to be smart to manage the situation. Every weekend is different, and something different happened this weekend to the last weekend," Dovizioso said. "Every weekend, you have to adapt and understand exactly what's going on. It's not so easy, but it's the same for everybody. This is the championship."
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It sounded like he was also insinuating that his issues this weekend were in retaliation for what he said after COTA. Hey Michelin, .... you and your gag order, we dont need riders telling us your tire is very very inconsistent, we see them tossing those multi million dollar bikes down the road then throwing up their arms like WTF just happened
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While I fully believe Vinales with regards to the front tire not feeling the same as this has been going on since Michelin has returned last season. I question his claim that the tire inconsistency being retaliation for his complaints about COTA's front tire.
There's different ways of looking at the situation in my opinion, and no I don't buy into Vudu's claim this is the Spanish mafia at work. Jerez has been a near 50/50 proposition of whether the factory Honda or factory Yamaha would win at the circuit over the last number of years.
One way of looking at it is simply that Michelin's quality control is ..... I believe this partially because any manufacturer that knowingly manufactures a mismatched tire profile on the front and rear can't be trusted to provide a quality racing tire according to the needs of the riders.
But where it becomes a less certain prospect is that Ezpeleta did at least desire having the sort of tire degradation F1 had during the period of 2011 thru 2016. We've discussed on here about Phillip Island 2013 being a sort of possible trial run for a high degradation tire that was soundly rejected by all. Rather than have a high degradation tire, the next best way of achieving unpredictability would be to engage in a planned inconsistent manufacture of tires. This would be the easiest way to create unpredictability from race weekend to race weekend. Last season's multiple race winners situation will not be seen again any time soon as the teams with the most money to spend will come to grips with tire changes far quicker than any satellite team will. I think this is partially why Honda decided to supply "factory" bikes to their satellite teams. They frankly need the data --understandable given the nature of the 2015 and 2016 seasons with regards to the RC213V's issues-- and the more data they generate across the HRC riders, the greater the chance of coming to grips (no pun intended) with the tire characteristics as it relates to the RC213V. Yamaha only has their factory machines and Tech 3, whereas Honda has 3 satellite bikes, possibly a 4th if LCR decides to field a second rider or not in the near future. This is also why I'm not particularly bullish on KTM's prospects in GP. They can say whatever they'd like, but the reality is Honda and Yamaha have had a stranglehold on the sport for the last 35 seasons and breaking that is not going to be done in 2 or 3 years if it can be done at all. But they do have a commitment to trying to do this, hence why I won't write them off completely.
Like I said, I don't doubt what Vinales has said with regards to the feel of his tires. It may not really be aimed at him for retribution/retaliation for complaining, but to just try and spice up the racing as much as can be done now that order has been once again established in year 2 of the spec ECU.
Another way of looking at is also that Yamaha managed to .... up their chassis for the first time in quite a number of years which is unusual given they don't engage in radical/extreme changes with their chassis. Something we don't know is how good is Vinales at giving proper feedback and who is really giving the most feedback internally - Rossi or Vinales? Yamaha chased down...not exactly a dead end, but an alley that doesn't appear to be the right way. Why they did is really the pertinent question that has yet to be answered. I'm not going to say that Yamaha is infallible as teams large and small do get things wrong all the time, but it's just uncharacteristic of Yamaha in the modern era. The chassis situation could also be further exacerbated by the tire situation...and my feeling is it's not really down to one thing over the other, but several factors that when combined cause problems.
There's different ways of looking at the situation in my opinion, and no I don't buy into Vudu's claim this is the Spanish mafia at work. Jerez has been a near 50/50 proposition of whether the factory Honda or factory Yamaha would win at the circuit over the last number of years.
One way of looking at it is simply that Michelin's quality control is ..... I believe this partially because any manufacturer that knowingly manufactures a mismatched tire profile on the front and rear can't be trusted to provide a quality racing tire according to the needs of the riders.
But where it becomes a less certain prospect is that Ezpeleta did at least desire having the sort of tire degradation F1 had during the period of 2011 thru 2016. We've discussed on here about Phillip Island 2013 being a sort of possible trial run for a high degradation tire that was soundly rejected by all. Rather than have a high degradation tire, the next best way of achieving unpredictability would be to engage in a planned inconsistent manufacture of tires. This would be the easiest way to create unpredictability from race weekend to race weekend. Last season's multiple race winners situation will not be seen again any time soon as the teams with the most money to spend will come to grips with tire changes far quicker than any satellite team will. I think this is partially why Honda decided to supply "factory" bikes to their satellite teams. They frankly need the data --understandable given the nature of the 2015 and 2016 seasons with regards to the RC213V's issues-- and the more data they generate across the HRC riders, the greater the chance of coming to grips (no pun intended) with the tire characteristics as it relates to the RC213V. Yamaha only has their factory machines and Tech 3, whereas Honda has 3 satellite bikes, possibly a 4th if LCR decides to field a second rider or not in the near future. This is also why I'm not particularly bullish on KTM's prospects in GP. They can say whatever they'd like, but the reality is Honda and Yamaha have had a stranglehold on the sport for the last 35 seasons and breaking that is not going to be done in 2 or 3 years if it can be done at all. But they do have a commitment to trying to do this, hence why I won't write them off completely.
Like I said, I don't doubt what Vinales has said with regards to the feel of his tires. It may not really be aimed at him for retribution/retaliation for complaining, but to just try and spice up the racing as much as can be done now that order has been once again established in year 2 of the spec ECU.
Another way of looking at is also that Yamaha managed to .... up their chassis for the first time in quite a number of years which is unusual given they don't engage in radical/extreme changes with their chassis. Something we don't know is how good is Vinales at giving proper feedback and who is really giving the most feedback internally - Rossi or Vinales? Yamaha chased down...not exactly a dead end, but an alley that doesn't appear to be the right way. Why they did is really the pertinent question that has yet to be answered. I'm not going to say that Yamaha is infallible as teams large and small do get things wrong all the time, but it's just uncharacteristic of Yamaha in the modern era. The chassis situation could also be further exacerbated by the tire situation...and my feeling is it's not really down to one thing over the other, but several factors that when combined cause problems.
Like I said before let's wait until lemans to decide if Yamaha actually has a problem. Last year Rossi uncharacteristically ran away with a victory because of the conditions at Jerez. Strange things happening at one track may not mean anything.
I don't think Michelin would punish him with a bad tyre, and doubt he would claim this. He could be speaking out instead of Rossi after the previous controversy to help procure Yamaha a stiffer tyre, and as always I have no problem with Yamaha getting a tyre which better suits them, as long as others are afforded the same consideration, and in particular no tyre is taken away which suits other riders or bikes.
Interesting that Vinales appears to be joining the ridiculous conspiracy theory raised by you and me among others that Michelin have a quality control problem and batch variation.
I have long held independently of you a theory that Ezy actually wanted a tyre that wore out a la recent F1, like you because I remember him saying he was of the view this would improve the racing. I think PI 2013 was more a trial of an F1 style pit-stop in which Ezy had also expressed interest, and obviously a horribly failed trial at that. Bridgestone must bear considerable responsibility for the tyre debacle at that race, since they made no attempt to see whether their current tyre would stand up to an abrasive newly laid surface at a track hard on tyres anyway, but Ezy and/or Capirossi arranged the demise of the old Bridgestone hard carcass tyre which would quite likely have stood up to conditions at PI 2013, and it was also the new Bridgestone front rather than the old tyre Stoner and HRC wanted kept in the allocation in 2012 which delaminated for Rossi and others later that year.
As I believe I posted recently, I have a theory Bridgestone got out of MotoGP because they disliked being blamed for tyre failures while producing tyres to Dorna's instructions.
Interesting that Vinales appears to be joining the ridiculous conspiracy theory raised by you and me among others that Michelin have a quality control problem and batch variation.
I have long held independently of you a theory that Ezy actually wanted a tyre that wore out a la recent F1, like you because I remember him saying he was of the view this would improve the racing. I think PI 2013 was more a trial of an F1 style pit-stop in which Ezy had also expressed interest, and obviously a horribly failed trial at that. Bridgestone must bear considerable responsibility for the tyre debacle at that race, since they made no attempt to see whether their current tyre would stand up to an abrasive newly laid surface at a track hard on tyres anyway, but Ezy and/or Capirossi arranged the demise of the old Bridgestone hard carcass tyre which would quite likely have stood up to conditions at PI 2013, and it was also the new Bridgestone front rather than the old tyre Stoner and HRC wanted kept in the allocation in 2012 which delaminated for Rossi and others later that year.
As I believe I posted recently, I have a theory Bridgestone got out of MotoGP because they disliked being blamed for tyre failures while producing tyres to Dorna's instructions.
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Yep, have seen that reported a few places now.
Said that Yamaha had asked for the tyres to check wear between the Factory and Tech3 teams (IMO, shows the benefits of having the setup that Yamaha do .......... more power to them for being able to do the check and may add credence/support to any feedback or criticism they offer)
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Was the tyre problem something that predominately affected the factory Yamaha's or where Tech3 and other teams struggling. I know Pedrosa was having issues managing the front wear and most likely Marc who said he had a big moment.
The Factory Yamaha's both seemed to be really struggling to be on pace this weekend compared to previous rounds.
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No wonder why Duc never responds. He's running the forum and Michelin
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Great to watch this and hear only the engine and not commentators; a much truer representation of a racing experience. The rider is surrounded by tens of thousands of screaming fans and the other riders, yet he's really really in his own head, totally focused on the asphalt and the bike, barely paying attention to anything other than the rider in front or behind him. It's a very solitary feeling.
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