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Motogp: 2016 Round 3 Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas

moto vudu said:
Well, he wouldn't be on the same bike Rossi couldn't ride so that's not a good comparison. Rossi would probably have some success on the current Duc as well.
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It's a prototype Ducati isn't it?,the bike that Rossi and Burgess were going to fix in less than 2 minutes,they bent over backwards to change things for him and he still couldn't win on it,i doubt if he would now either that's why he crawled back to Yamaha with his tail between his legs.
 
pyeman said:
It's a prototype Ducati isn't it?,the bike that Rossi and Burgess were going to fix in less than 2 minutes,they bent over backwards to change things for him and he still couldn't win on it,i doubt if he would now either that's why he crawled back to Yamaha with his tail between his legs.
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Perhaps Ducati's failure with Rossi & Burgess really opened their eyes that they needed to correct the bike and the way they operated as a team. Ducati may have thought (as with Rossi and Burgess) that their lack of wins were Stoner's fault and not the bike. When Rossi couldn't get good results on the bike & left, they had no choice to to address the real issues and fix the bike (Stoner had told them all along the bike was ....). They've done that and now should be capable of winning with a top rider.
 
moto vudu said:
You've never seen me write anything to diminish Stoner's talent or accomplishments.
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Never said you did.

The carbon fiber chassis needs to be mentioned because of you saying he was struggling for wins...that he remains the only rider to ever win on a carbon fiber chassis GP machine is a stunning achievement given how little feel it provided.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Let me ask you all this, what is worse not liking your teammate and being treated poorly or never fight for a title again? Because thats the risk he is taking.
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Dubs, whilst what you are saying is true, the machinations at play are interesting.

How much is Yamaha involved here is a question?

I mean, were I Yamaha, the fact that they placed contracts to VR and JL at the same time showed me that they would have been just as happy to keep VR as JL, but will take both if it happens.

IMO only, but Yamaha showed that VR is equally important to them (any myriad of reasons of course) and maybe moreso than the guy that just won them a world championship

Afterall, Yamaha did not come out and condemn VR for his attacks on Lorenzo's championship which shows where the true power in that team lay

A ballsy organisation would have publically admonished VR for what he said and what he continues to insinuate

If/when JL moves, I agree that it may not be the best move to make but the impressions do seem to point (to me anyway) that whilst the rhetoric says that Yamaha want JL, some actions may not full bear it out
 
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moto vudu said:
Nobody has since Casey, but Ducati hasn't had a good bike until now. Lorenzo > Iannone & Dovi. I guess I'm alone in thinking this, but I think Lorenzo is going to kick some ... on the Duc.
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Not alone but will say, a lot depends on whether DORNA keep out of the decisions
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Lets clarify this for Canadas biggest Rossi fan.
Michelin would collect fridays practice data from Rossi. They would take this data and make special tires for him to race with on Sunday thus giving a massive advantage. In 2006 Tony Elias somehow got one on Sunday and won the race on a satellite. This was the last time a non factory bike has won a race.
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There was also Thursday data collected for some years JK as the racing started with practice on Thursdays
 
Tha Ambassador said:
I highly doubt that I'm Canada's biggest Rossi fan but I appreciate being elevated to that highly exalted status! Thanks for providing some relevant info on the SNS tires, I didn't realize that it's been that long since a non factory bike has won.
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Dont worry. I'll be sure to remind everyone on this years anniversary
 
Rossi wasn't the only rider to recieve SNS tires. Tony Elias was given PEDROSA's SNS tires to use in the race he won. Just to make things more clear
 
Gaz said:
Dubs, whilst what you are saying is true, the machinations at play are interesting.

How much is Yamaha involved here is a question?

I mean, were I Yamaha, the fact that they placed contracts to VR and JL at the same time showed me that they would have been just as happy to keep VR as JL, but will take both if it happens.

IMO only, but Yamaha showed that VR is equally important to them (any myriad of reasons of course) and maybe moreso than the guy that just won them a world championship

Afterall, Yamaha did not come out and condemn VR for his attacks on Lorenzo's championship which shows where the true power in that team lay

A ballsy organisation would have publically admonished VR for what he said and what he continues to insinuate

If/when JL moves, I agree that it may not be the best move to make but the impressions do seem to point (to me anyway) that whilst the rhetoric says that Yamaha want JL, some actions may not full bear it out
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Completely agree gaz, its doesn't make the move less foolish though. I'd have to think he could go anywhere he wants. Zuki isn't much worse, I feel he could find a way to get a factory honda. But Ducati and Jorge? That seems to me like oil and water. I am fine with being wrong for his sake I hope I am. But the best way to beat Rossi is to stay. That bike suits him better than any. Zuk being second.
 
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MdubSTYLIE said:
Completely agree gaz, its doesn't make the move less foolish though. I'd have to think he could go anywhere he wants. Zuki isn't much worse, I feel he could find a way to get a factory honda. But Ducati and Jorge? That seems to me like oil and water. I am fine with being wrong for his sake I hope I am. But the best way to beat Rossi is to stay. That bike suits him better than any. Zuk being second.
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"Help me Marc Marquez. You're my only hope."
 
TheJuice46 said:
Rossi wasn't the only rider to recieve SNS tires. Tony Elias was given PEDROSA's SNS tires to use in the race he won. Just to make things more clear
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This is correct. Randy Mamola said in his Alpinestars blog it was generally believed that Michelin provided others with Rossi’s SNS. Perhaps why Pedrosa discarded them as useless to him for that race.

Btw just curious, did you know this or did you go look it up recently? I'm wondering how you knew about this particular incident involving SNS (Saturday Night Specials) and your buddy Da Embassador didn't know what SNS were, given you two aspire to do a youtube discussion video of MotoGP. Which I encourage both of you to continue.
 
Marc Marquez admits he was pleasantly surprised to discover Michelin's new rear compound tyre had more grip than he had expected as he powered to a 0.706s advantage over the MotoGP field in free practice in Austin.

The four-time world champion was in typically stunning form around the Circuit of the Americas, shrugging of a fall at the final corner in FP2 to lower his fastest time by a further half second and take a commanding advantage into Saturday.

On Friday evening, Marquez explained how Michelin's new softer rear offered more grip but tyre life was still 'critical', something he must work on before qualifying.

“With this stronger construction I expected the grip to be less but it was more. Maybe because they adjusted it with the pressure, but the grip is quite good. Now we must understand the life of the tyre because this morning it was a problem.

“This afternoon was better but it is still critical. We will see tomorrow also because we will have the hard option. We will try it but it's not a problem for me to create these slides.

On acceleration, an area over which Marquez expressed concerns before the event, he stated that although he was a full 1.1 seconds faster than the next best Honda, he revealed that he is still losing out to Pedrosa on the exit of slow turns and in stopping speed.

“In acceleration when I compare data with Dani his is better. His stopping speed also. In the end you must gain in the corners when you lose in the acceleration. this circuit for example in the first gear corners, I try to brake, go wide and come back with speed.

“But to do these lines you must have a lot of confidence with the front because you must brake and go wide. When you go wide the track is dirty and you don't know. I'm going always more wide but it's related to the set-up also.

On lap times being considerably slower than 2015, he added, “The problem is that this year we cannot compare the lap times. We change the tyres. We have some strong points with Michelins and some weak points. Maybe one of the weak points is the front tyre.

“Here have many hard-braking points. Bridgestone we were braking very deep. In this one if you try to brake more deep you saw on the last corner. You must manage well. I think the lap record we will not arrive to it but, close.”

While not announced in an official capacity, it is widely recognised that all five 2016 Hondas are using a counter rotating crankshaft. Marquez acknowledged as much and mentioned some details of using this year's motor compared to the 2015 version.

“It looks like there is less stopping in the first gear corners. You must use more a Yamaha style, you go more wide in the corners, going more wide and prepare well the exit. In these tight corners I was able to turn quicker but now I need to go wide and come back so I change a little but the riding style but still it is good at this circuit.

“The speed is more related to the exit of the corner. We are struggling but in the first gear corners, using this line and coming more back, we are losing less. This is one thing. Then in the change of directions the bike looks slightly better. Last year was maybe faster changing direction. This year is slower but you can more keep the speed. It's strange. It's the character of the bike.”
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MotoGP News - MotoGP Americas: Marquez talks grip, acceleration, counter-rotating engine
 

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