Motogp: 2016 Round 3 Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas

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Jumkie said:
This is correct. Randy Mamola said in his Alpinestars blog it was generally believed that Michelin provided others with Rossi’s SNS. Perhaps why Pedrosa discarded them as useless to him for that race.

Btw just curious, did you know this or did you go look it up recently? I'm wondering how you knew about this particular incident involving SNS (Saturday Night Specials) and your buddy Da Embassador didn't know what SNS were, given you two aspire to do a youtube discussion video of MotoGP. Which I encourage both of you to continue.
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We don't discuss everything we've read on this forum and/or information that we've read in general. But I had seen people using SNS on the other thread and searched for what it stood for. But I just couldn't believe that only 1 rider would be given a special tire, so I dug through some more old articles and threads and learnt more about the tires and shared my new found information. From what I read I couldn't tell if Michelin was using data from a few riders for rider specific customization or just data from Rossi. But it sounds like your saying it was mainly or all based off Rossi's data so that would still give him the most advantage, even if other riders could still use those tires.
 
TheJuice46 said:
We don't discuss everything we've read on this forum and/or information that we've read in general. But I had seen people using SNS on the other thread and searched for what it stood for. But I just couldn't believe that only 1 rider would be given a special tire, so I dug through some more old articles and threads and learnt more about the tires and shared my new found information. From what I read I couldn't tell if Michelin was using data from a few riders for rider specific customization or just data from Rossi. But it sounds like your saying it was mainly or all based off Rossi's data so that would still give him the most advantage, even if other riders could still use those tires.
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I'm glad this forum has provided you with information and education. It's a great place. Maybe someday you and tha embeassdor can meet up with the gang. Like the group in Austin, which I'm jealous of at the moment. Did you two make an Argentina & Austin prediction video?

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My concern with the Ducati is that it's had several years of running the spec ecu and already the Honda and Yamaha are equal or better than it. By next season they will possibly eclipse the Ducati with their army of boffins and the Ducati may even stagnate.
If Rossi succeeds in his latest ploy to derail the Ducati efforts like the engine overcoming tyres and the aerodynamic strakes, the bike could even go backwards in development.
Lorenzo would be safer staying on the Yamaha because Rossi will not allow it to be messed with. Lorenzo has shown that barring strange weather, he is the fastest of the two and more likely to be the one to take the title if Marquez doesn't get it first [emoji1]
 
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Jumkie said:
I'm glad this forum has provided you with information and education. It's a great place. Maybe someday you and tha embeassdor can meet up with the gang. Like the group in Austin, which I'm jealous of at the moment. Did you two make an Argentina & Austin prediction video?

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Haha I feel like my eyes have been opened to a whole world since I've been here. Ya that'd be great, last year we were out in California and went to check out Laguna Seca (we missed WSBK by a week unfortunately) and that was an awesome experience. COTA is right up on our list, so maybe next year we'll head out there.

We didn't get around to making an Argentina video, between studying for finals and Easter gatherings we just didn't have the time. Maybe we'll be able to get a rough Austin prediction/preview video up before the race.
 
I'm planning the Austin trip for next year. ....... excited already. As long as the move to Jamaica works out which it should ill be there for sure.
 
Jumkie said:
I'm glad this forum has provided you with information and education. It's a great place. Maybe someday you and tha embeassdor can meet up with the gang. Like the group in Austin, which I'm jealous of at the moment. Did you two make an Argentina & Austin prediction video?

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As far as the SNS topic, I knew that tires were being overnighted and specifically designed for certain riders/tracks I just didn't know they were referred to as SNS. I didn't and still don't know very much about the specifics of that topic, just the generalities of it.

So far I've learned to look past the extreme opinions (for and against Rossi being the strongest opinions) to read the awesome wealth of knowledge this forum collectively has. I really want to learn all I can about this sport, past and present, so I can understand it better going forward.

I would kill to be at COTA right now considering it's one of the cooler tracks on the schedule and is (relatively) close to where I live. Hopefully in the near future I as well as TheJuice will have the chance to meet up with you guys and really shoot the .... in person!

Keep the great debates coming!
 
TheJuice46 said:
Rossi wasn't the only rider to recieve SNS tires. Tony Elias was given PEDROSA's SNS tires to use in the race he won. Just to make things more clear
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Factory riders got sns's ,BUT, they were made to Rossi specs from info collected by Burgess. They were better than the leftovers that everyone else got from the back of the truck, BUT , they were not made to each individual preference except for you know who. Pedrosa gave that set to Elias because he couldn't ride them and the rest is history.
 
Ironically, Rossi's personalized tires that fell into Elias's lap, ended up costing him the championship . Elias beat Rossi that day by.002 of a second taking 5 points from him.at the next and final race of the season, Rossi crashed, remounted to finish race but ended up 5 points behind Hayden for the title. That 5 points he lost the race before would have won him the title. Karma is a ......
 
yamfan said:
My concern with the Ducati is that it's had several years of running the spec ecu and already the Honda and Yamaha are equal or better than it. By next season they will possibly eclipse the Ducati with their army of boffins and the Ducati may even stagnate.
If Rossi succeeds in his latest ploy to derail the Ducati efforts like the engine overcoming tyres and the aerodynamic strakes, the bike could even go backwards in development.
Lorenzo would be safer staying on the Yamaha because Rossi will not allow it to be messed with. Lorenzo has shown that barring strange weather, he is the fastest of the two and more likely to be the one to take the title if Marquez doesn't get it first [emoji1]
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Lorenzo has had to take everything, and I mean everything into consideration before making a decision.This is not a knee jerk reaction. If he goes to Ducati, he is either knows the bike is good enough to win, or he has figured out life is to short to be miserable and don't give a ...., kind of like his buddy Stoner who walked away at his zenith instead of playing Rossi and Dorna's game
 
One thing that has always struck me about the whole tyre debate was that the effects of a bespoke Rossi SNS would often become evident on Sunday morning warm up, hence giving rise to the enduring observation which became so throw away on here; 'JBs pulled another rabbit out of his arse'. The previous day, business end of qualifying however, everyone flung in a set of qualifiers and set up for one hot lap...and for ten minutes or so, without such pronounced inequities, you had a much more even playing field...a field which for many years Rossi ended up deeply mired within in grid position.

I realise that Vale favours the old qualifying format, but this is particularly since it favoured race simulation, allowed you to concentrate purely on set up and gather more data throughout the weekend which for many years, could then be fed back to Michelin in order - where possible -to personalise the race tyre. In 2001 in particular, Rossi's qualifying was less than stellar...but imagine knowing that your bike is capable of running one grade softer compound on a signature tyre with your name written on it. Watch those races again and it becomes so evident. Max, who invariably used to qualify on the front row, would often be routinely and systematically hunted down, stalked, toyed with and discarded with unfeasible ease. Then watch again the races at those circuits that tended to be levellers, where it was harder to exploit comparative advantage, such as PI.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
One thing that has always struck me about the whole tyre debate was that the effects of a bespoke Rossi SNS would often become evident on Sunday morning warm up, hence giving rise to the enduring observation which became so throw away on here; 'JBs pulled another rabbit out of his arse'. The previous day, business end of qualifying however, everyone flung in a set of qualifiers and set up for one hot lap...and for ten minutes or so, without such pronounced inequities, you had a much more even playing field...a field which for many years Rossi ended up deeply mired within in grid position.

I realise that Vale favours the old qualifying format, but this is particularly since it favoured race simulation, allowed you to concentrate purely on set up and gather more data throughout the weekend which for many years, could then be fed back to Michelin in order - where possible -to personalise the race tyre. In 2001 in particular, Rossi's qualifying was less than stellar...but imagine knowing that your bike is capable of running one grade softer compound on a signature tyre with your name written on it. Watch those races again and it becomes so evident. Max, who invariably used to qualify on the front row, would often be routinely and systematically hunted down, stalked, toyed with and discarded with unfeasible ease. Then watch again the races at those circuits that tended to be levellers, where it was harder to exploit comparative advantage, such as PI.
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This. Particularly the bIt concerning race set up time.
 
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MotoGP faces fresh rear tyre problems in Austin

MotoGP could be heading for another tyre crisis in Austin, after riders reported massive right-side wear issues with rear tyres following free practice one on Friday.

As our exclusive photos of Jorge Lorenzo’s rear tyre at the end of the 45 minutes of running clearly show, the right-hand edge of the asymmetric cover was badly worn.

This problem was reported up and down the pitlane, with Honda’s Marc Marquez speaking out on the subject.

“The main primary [problem] was the rear tyre, on the right side [it] was completely destroyed,” he said. “Sometimes in FP1 this can happen, because the track is dirty.

“I think already Michelin is starting to think how it can manage this problem, if they need to increase the pressure or something like this. We will see for FP2.”
Only soft rear tyre available on Friday

Tyre supplier Michelin’s main problem is that it only has the soft rear tyre available today, as its hard compound only arrives at the Circuit of the Americas on Saturday.

When asked if he thinks that will solve the problems, Marquez replied: “We will see, we will see.

“At the moment the thing is with this [soft] rear tyre they lowered the pressure so we gain more grip, the immediately reaction is the life of the tyre is much less.

“They must think about this, increase again the rear tyre pressure it will be enough, or maybe when the track has more rubber it will be fine.

“At the the moment it’s something that everybody is waiting for.”

Additional reporting by Oriol Puigdemont
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Gaz said:
Dubs, whilst what you are saying is true, the machinations at play are interesting.

How much is Yamaha involved here is a question?

I mean, were I Yamaha, the fact that they placed contracts to VR and JL at the same time showed me that they would have been just as happy to keep VR as JL, but will take both if it happens.

IMO only, but Yamaha showed that VR is equally important to them (any myriad of reasons of course) and maybe moreso than the guy that just won them a world championship

Afterall, Yamaha did not come out and condemn VR for his attacks on Lorenzo's championship which shows where the true power in that team lay

A ballsy organisation would have publically admonished VR for what he said and what he continues to insinuate

If/when JL moves, I agree that it may not be the best move to make but the impressions do seem to point (to me anyway) that whilst the rhetoric says that Yamaha want JL, some actions may not full bear it out
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This.
 
JohnnyKnockdown said:
Jesus
Michelin has gone from SAturday night specials to last Saturdays leftovers
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Well according to some here, there's nothing to worry about with the Michelin tire construction.

Only at the third race weekend and their tire can't even last the equivalent of a full race distance in FP sessions. Oh wait, no that's not right, their tire can't even last something like half of a full race distance.

Guess everyone will be praying for the hard tires to have longevity.

Not even sure how they came into this so unprepared.
 
This is not a problem only with Michelin. Bridgestone had issues at certain tracks as well, with races shortened for exactly the same reason. Philip Island I believe was particularly bad at one point. I am interested to see how they handle this situation, and the difference in performance at the Euro tracks.
 
Just heard a spatter of rain on the window, so light drizzle here in Austin. Anybody closer to the track?
 

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