Motogp: 2016 Round 3 Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas

Jumkie · Apr 9, 2016

Tha Ambassador said:
I'm playing it safe and predicting Marquez will win, with Lorenzo in 2nd if he doesn't jump the start. Rossi found a bunch of speed so that'll be nice to see him mixing it up at the front. Iannone could do well if he doesn't crash.

It'll take one heck of a mistake to make Marquez lose this race. He looks otherworldly on this track.

It will all depend on the tires. (It always does).

I think we may see a repeat of Argentina 2015 tire situation. In the sense that those who cruise around and conserve tires will finish strong and may sneak on a higher position than they would otherwise.

JPSLotus · Apr 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
It will all depend on the tires. (It always does).

I think we may see a repeat of Argentina 2015 tire situation. In the sense that those who cruise around and conserve tires will finish strong and may sneak on a higher position than they would otherwise.

Not so sure about this as there was far less crashing this week overall. Argentina had a ton of crashes which wiped out a decent chunk of the field quickly. Looks like everyone will be going with the medium rear. Safe bet is probably to go either medium or hard on the front. I'm thinking Rossi goes Hard-Medium for the race.

Jumkie · Apr 9, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Not so sure about this as there was far less crashing this week overall. Argentina had a ton of crashes which wiped out a decent chunk of the field quickly. Looks like everyone will be going with the medium rear. Safe bet is probably to go either medium or hard on the front. I'm thinking Rossi goes Hard-Medium for the race.

Bro, i said Argentina 2015, not 16. I was basing my prediction on the link you posted. Tire ware may be critical. I could see a scenario where Marquez looks comfortable in the lead then is caught in the latter stages.

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/motogp-faces-fresh-rear-tyre-problems-in-austin-685674/

JPSLotus · Apr 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
Bro, i said Argentina 2015, not 16. I was basing my prediction on the link you posted. Tire ware may be critical. I could see a scenario where Marquez looks comfortable in the lead then is caught in the latter stages.

MotoGP faces fresh rear tyre problems in Austin

I can't read.

Jumkie · Apr 9, 2016

Efron Vazquez down hard in Moto2. Red flag.

Edit: was knocked out, has regained consciousness.

Keshav · Apr 9, 2016

Saw somewhere that lap times in Q2 were about a second slower than last year. Any of you statisticians confirm this?

Tha Ambassador · Apr 9, 2016

Keshav said:
Saw somewhere that lap times in Q2 were about a second slower than last year. Any of you statisticians confirm this?

That's what I heard Nick Harris say at the end of the session. Marquez looked fast today but nowhere near as fast as last years sensational lap.

Tha Ambassador · Apr 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
It will all depend on the tires. (It always does).

I think we may see a repeat of Argentina 2015 tire situation. In the sense that those who cruise around and conserve tires will finish strong and may sneak on a higher position than they would otherwise.

I could see that happening. It looks like Marquez has to rely on his insane riding style to get those lap times out of the Honda which is not easy on the tires. COTA is known to eat tires so couple that with Marquez's riding style and he might suffer in the latter laps.

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 9, 2016

Jumkie said:
Efron Vazquez down hard in Moto2. Red flag.

Edit: was knocked out, has regained consciousness.

Motokitty down hard in Motel 6. Do not disturb sign

Edit: was knocked out fm Jager. Might regain consciousness

Jumkie · Apr 9, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Motokitty down hard in Motel 6. Do not disturb sign

Edit: was knocked out fm Jager. Might regain consciousness

Super8 bro. Come on.

Gaz · Apr 9, 2016

budoist said:
This is not a problem only with Michelin. Bridgestone had issues at certain tracks as well, with races shortened for exactly the same reason. Philip Island I believe was particularly bad at one point. I am interested to see how they handle this situation, and the difference in performance at the Euro tracks.

The island was bad for one year only and was due to MotoGP not testing on a new surface that had been laid

Gaz · Apr 9, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
exactly what I said

Maybe true Dubs, but when Kitty talks sprinkling it conjures up a different image

Gaz · Apr 9, 2016

povol said:
A lot of false legends were born to the SNS. It was like clockwork, like you said, when everyone were on equal terms in qualifying, Rossi was not a God at all, you might even say average. Ahh but Burgess would work his magic overnight. How many times did we hear the ........ that they found something overnight. For those that were paying attention, knew what was at work and it wasnt Burgess's magic.

Not disagreeing Pov, but one wearing yellow sunglasses, yellow undies, Blue #46 jackets and people with the #46 tattooed near their masturbation reasons will still point out that this occurred once or twice in the single supplier years - Laguna as an example

I do think that JB was a genius and often went against VR and we saw some improvements in times, but then he outgrew his usefullness, became a little more vocal and he was dumped - and still VR awaits that title

Gaz · Apr 9, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
And the field will sleep a little easier tonight.

Iannonne is still there ............ hope remains

povol · Apr 9, 2016

Tha Ambassador said:
I could see that happening. It looks like Marquez has to rely on his insane riding style to get those lap times out of the Honda which is not easy on the tires. COTA is known to eat tires so couple that with Marquez's riding style and he might suffer in the latter laps.

The sliding and spinning is not that hard on tires.The combo of Yamaha's excellent grip and this track surface is what works against them here. That heats the core a lot more than sliding.When Marquez has tires issues its when he gambles and makes the wrong choice. If they are all on medium tomorrow, which is the word, he will run away with it in the last half

basspete · Apr 9, 2016

G Day, call that a knife, your ambition outweighed your talent, tie me kangaroo down sport. Imagine if Casey was racing, it would be.......

povol · Apr 9, 2016

Gaz said:
Not disagreeing Pov, but one wearing yellow sunglasses, yellow undies, Blue #46 jackets and people with the #46 tattooed near their masturbation reasons will still point out that this occurred once or twice in the single supplier years - Laguna as an example

Yea, a blind hog will find an acorn ever once in a while, lol. Burgess proved himself before Rossi so i will give him a pass. FYI, the Laguna you speak of was before control tire, but both were on Stones. Not sure they found something overnight except a strategy where at all cost they had to keep Stoner behind them on a certain part of the track or he was gone. That to me was probably Rossi's best ride ever, even though it did include some sketchy maneuvers.

Gaz · Apr 9, 2016

povol said:
Yea, a blind hog will find an acorn ever once in a while, lol. Burgess proved himself before Rossi so i will give him a pass. FYI, the Laguna you speak of was before control tire, but both were on Stones. Not sure they found something overnight except a strategy where at all cost they had to keep Stoner behind them on a certain part of the track or he was gone. That to me was probably Rossi's best ride ever, even though it did include some sketchy maneuvers.

Totally agree.

IMO only but of all the rides I have seen that was his best and I have stated that many times as proof that you do not need the fastest bike to win races, but you need race craft and single minded determination.

Yes, some of the his moves (not the Corkscrew) were hard, maybe even harsh as claimed by Stoner but it was a lesson being given in what it takes to win and what he would do to challenge at a time when he should have struggles.

As for the tyres, I remembered that both were on Stones but (from memory) Stones were not doing the SNS so it was close to a head to head given that each was on tyres developed for their bike (in VR's case, he being the only runner on Yamaha possible helped a more suitable tyre but Ducati had years start)

paparazzo · Apr 9, 2016

Tha Ambassador said:
I highly doubt that I'm Canada's biggest Rossi fan but I appreciate being elevated to that highly exalted status! Thanks for providing some relevant info on the SNS tires, I didn't realize that it's been that long since a non factory bike has won.

Not to take away anything from Tony Elias but to add some much needed context, he out-dragged VR out of the last corner and both came across the line together side by side in a photo finish in I think 5/1000's of a second maybe even less than that and KR was 3rd by 1/10th. To add more contexts, this was also the race that both Repsol Honda's collided and ended in the gravel removing 2 contendors. Yes Elias did win the race but it's certainly not like he bolted on SNS's capable of and won by 25 seconds as this forum would lead you to believe.

JPSLotus · Apr 9, 2016

paparazzo said:
Not to take away anything from Tony Elias but to add some much needed context, he out-dragged VR out of the last corner and both came across the line together side by side in a photo finish in I think 5/1000's of a second maybe even less than that and KR was 3rd by 1/10th. To add more contexts, this was also the race that both Repsol Honda's collided and ended in the gravel removing 2 contendors. Yes Elias did win the race but it's certainly not like he bolted on SNS's capable of and won by 25 seconds as this forum would lead you to believe.

No one said he won by 25 seconds or ever implied such a thing.

His win was made possible by Pedrosa's discarded Satuday Night Specials. Yes the Hondas crashed out, but Elias' pace to work up to the front was only made possible by having the right tires for one day in his life.

Toni Elias is a hero since that win denied Rossi crucial points Talpa.

Kenny Jr also should have won that race and probably would have if he didn't miscount the laps.

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