Motogp: 2016 Round 3 Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

yamfan said:
It takes balls is a lame attempt at goading Lorenzo into moving. As I said Rossi is showing what a coward he is by causing a bad atmosphere to oust Lorenzo from Yamaha. If Rossi had balls he'd shut up and race instead.
The one rider to return to form after riding the Ducati was gifted a factory Yamaha that Dorna brokered for him and economic reasons, not his results.
Rossi has won nothing since 2009 and will do anything to tip the balance to his favour in his quest for his 10th title.

I am aware of all that. Why would Rossi shut up if it has the possibility of making his competitor less competitive. If Jorge really leaves because of Rossi's statement than he is a fool. He is not handling this situation like a champion at all.

Jumkie · Apr 8, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Are you ranking those two riders as equals Slippin' Jummy?

Which two rider? For the record, I have never rated Rossi the top rider in terms of talent any year I've been watching, not one. And if things were equal, I don't believe anybody else would either.

Go back just one GP ago. In your mind's eye put Rossi on Michelin's "safety" tire. Everybody else on their choice of the standard tire. Does Rossi win? No. He didn't even win on the same tires as Marquez. Well this was the reality during the SNS era. All of Rossi's rivals were on Michelin's version of "safety" tires.

In 2008 the tires changed so much Stoner request to compete on the 07 version. Request: denied. So we can say 2008 was a Bridgestone version of SNS.

In 2009 the Bridgestone had a year's worth of development toward Rossi. At that point Stoner was all but eliminated from contention, but not because he wasn't more talented than Rossi, but rather because Rossi was firmly on the Bstone version of SNS. Which prompted Ducati to request an exclusive relationship with Michelin. Request: denied.

Of the three riders relevant in my post, there is no question:

Stoner>Lorenzo<Rossi.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

Jumkie said:
Which two rider? For the record, I have never rated Rossi the top rider in terms of talent any year I've been watching, not one. And if things were equal, I don't believe anybody else would either.

Go back just one GP ago. In your mind's eye put Rossi on Michelin's "safety" tire. Everybody else on their choice of the standard tire. Does Rossi win? No. He didn't even win on the same tires as Marquez. Well this was the reality during the SNS era. All of Rossi's rivals were on Michelin's version of "safety" tires.

In 2008 the tires changed so much Stoner request to compete on the 07 version. Request: denied. So we can say 2008 was a Bridgestone version of SNS.

In 2009 the Bridgestone had a year's worth of development toward Rossi. At that point Stoner was all but eliminated from contention, but not because he wasn't more talented than Rossi, but rather because Rossi was firmly on the Bstone version of SNS. Which prompted Ducati to request an exclusive relationship with Michelin. Request: denied.

Of the three riders relevant in my post, there is no question:

Stoner>Lorenzo<Rossi.

Different time different situation. During that time we had a tire war and if I remember correctly the tires didn't have to be the same. And I know he wasn't the only rider to receive sns tires. Although I am sure he received them more often. Sns tires are a myth. They are just a different tire than the three offered up. And back then you had three options instead of two none of which were the safety option.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

Let me ask you all this, what is worse not liking your teammate and being treated poorly or never fight for a title again? Because thats the risk he is taking.

moto vudu · Apr 8, 2016

Why would Lorenzo not be able to fight for a title at Ducati?

Tha Ambassador · Apr 8, 2016

At the risk of sounding like an ....., what are SNS tires?

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
Why would Lorenzo not be able to fight for a title at Ducati?

The potential is there for him not too. Who since Casey has? So even if he thinks he might be able to win on that bike, why risk it when you are currently not only fighting for championships but winning them?

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

Tha Ambassador said:
At the risk of sounding like an ....., what are SNS tires?

Saturday night specials. Tires brewed up by warlocks the night before the race and then sent to any circuit in the world.

moto vudu · Apr 8, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
The potential is there for him not too. Who since Casey has? So even if he thinks he might be able to win on that bike, why risk it when you are currently not only fighting for championships but winning them?

Nobody has since Casey, but Ducati hasn't had a good bike until now. Lorenzo > Iannone & Dovi. I guess I'm alone in thinking this, but I think Lorenzo is going to kick some ... on the Duc.

Tha Ambassador · Apr 8, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Saturday night specials. Tires brewed up by warlocks the night before the race and then sent to any circuit in the world.

Ah I get it now. I know about those tires I just had never heard them referred to that way. Thanks!

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
Nobody has since Casey, but Ducati hasn't had a good bike until now. Lorenzo > Iannone & Dovi. I guess I'm alone in thinking this, but I think Lorenzo is going to kick some ... on the Duc.

Good but not honda yamaha good. Honda might be debatable if not for Marc. Dovi has had a lot of seat time to get used to that bike. Jorge most likely a better rider than AI does not like when the bike moves around. Have you seen something I haven't about the Ducati? Because it still looks like its having a seizure around the track.

Tha Ambassador · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
Nobody has since Casey, but Ducati hasn't had a good bike until now. Lorenzo > Iannone & Dovi. I guess I'm alone in thinking this, but I think Lorenzo is going to kick some ... on the Duc.

I agree that their bike is better now than it was when Stoner was riding and I agree that Lorenzo has more outright pace than either of the Ducati boys. However, the speed Lorenzo has is only possible within a very specific set of parameters; namely Lorenzo being absolutely on point, having the right personnel on his team, track being dry, and having not a single glitch to throw off his concentration. When he's on, nobody can touch him but that's also assuming that his bike is set up perfectly. I wonder if the Ducati camp can pull this off, having a strong engine doesn't guarantee wins.

So yes I agree that if everything goes right for Lorenzo (unlikely) he will dominate on the Ducati. I just think that's a very big if, considering Ducati's recent history.

pyeman · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
Nobody has since Casey, but Ducati hasn't had a good bike until now. Lorenzo > Iannone & Dovi. I guess I'm alone in thinking this, but I think Lorenzo is going to kick some ... on the Duc.

I think nothing would give him more pleasure than kicking the Italian .........s arse on a bike Rossi himself couldn't ride, i hope he goes and stuffs it up him so regularly that Rossi doesn't see out the second year of his contact cos he's so demoralised,or am i just having a wet dream?.

JohnnyKnockdown · Apr 8, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Saturday night specials. Tires brewed up by warlocks the night before the race and then sent to any circuit in the world.

Lets clarify this for Canadas biggest Rossi fan.
Michelin would collect fridays practice data from Rossi. They would take this data and make special tires for him to race with on Sunday thus giving a massive advantage. In 2006 Tony Elias somehow got one on Sunday and won the race on a satellite. This was the last time a non factory bike has won a race.

moto vudu · Apr 8, 2016

MdubSTYLIE said:
Good but not honda yamaha good. Honda might be debatable if not for Marc. Dovi has had a lot of seat time to get used to that bike. Jorge most likely a better rider than AI does not like when the bike moves around. Have you seen something I haven't about the Ducati? Because it still looks like its having a seizure around the track.

I don't think we can say the current Duc isn't Honda or Yamaha good because Ducati currently doesn't have riders the same caliber as Honda & Yamaha. When Stoner hopped on the bike, didn't he go faster than Dovi and Iannone?

I understand he's taking a risk, but Lorenzo's smooth style allows for high corner speeds. Combine Lorenzo's style with the Duc's insane acceleration and that could be a recipe for at least one title.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Lets clarify this for Canadas biggest Rossi fan.
Michelin would collect fridays practice data from Rossi. They would take this data and make special tires for him to race with on Sunday thus giving a massive advantage. In 2006 Tony Elias somehow got one on Sunday and won the race on a satellite. This was the last time a non factory bike has won a race.

Did you know that the Sns warlock dates the tooth fairy?

On a more serious note, it looks like you may want to prepare for a crashy lorenzo game next year instead of buttflow.

Tha Ambassador · Apr 8, 2016

JohnnyKnockdown said:
Lets clarify this for Canadas biggest Rossi fan.
Michelin would collect fridays practice data from Rossi. They would take this data and make special tires for him to race with on Sunday thus giving a massive advantage. In 2006 Tony Elias somehow got one on Sunday and won the race on a satellite. This was the last time a non factory bike has won a race.

I highly doubt that I'm Canada's biggest Rossi fan but I appreciate being elevated to that highly exalted status! Thanks for providing some relevant info on the SNS tires, I didn't realize that it's been that long since a non factory bike has won.

MdubSTYLIE · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
I don't think we can say the current Duc isn't Honda or Yamaha good because Ducati currently doesn't have rider's the same caliber as Honda & Yamaha. When Stoner hopped on the bike, didn't he go faster than Dovi and Iannone?

I understand he's taking a risk, but Lorenzo's smooth style allows for high corner speeds. Combine Lorenzo's style with the Duc's insane acceleration and that could be a recipe for at least one title.

Lorenzo is not stoner. He doesn't ride like dovi or AI either. He needs a rail. Those higher corner speeds are because the yamaha is stable at higher corner speeds. He will not find that on the duc.

moto vudu · Apr 8, 2016

pyeman said:
I think nothing would give him more pleasure than kicking the Italian .........s arse on a bike Rossi himself couldn't ride, i hope he goes and stuffs it up him so regularly that Rossi doesn't see out the second year of his contact cos he's so demoralised,or am i just having a wet dream?.

Well, he wouldn't be on the same bike Rossi couldn't ride so that's not a good comparison. Rossi would probably have some success on the current Duc as well.

povol · Apr 8, 2016

moto vudu said:
Ducati / Stoner managed to win just 3 races in 2010.

Just 3 races?, you do realize that is one less win than Rossi had last year when he came within 6 points of winning a title

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