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unda cheese
Lorenzo feels like he's being flogged by Yamaha. If he thinks that doesnt happen at Ducati, he should talk to Redding
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Uk
So if he leaves, he's a drama queen.
If he stays, he's a coward who's scared of a challenge.
It's this kind of crap and drivel that pours from the boppers...
Just saying [emoji1]
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Shovel's Club
Who says he's a coward for not excepting the challenge? This isn't the backyard. This is top level racing, and in top level racing you don't except challenges. You make smart decisions and chose the bike that gives you the best chances to win. I say he's a coward for leaving because of Rossi. If he's excepting the challenge as you say, it sounds to me like he trying to compete with Rossi and do something 46 wasn't able to do. But its way more likely he just loves money more than winning.
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Tennessee
So did Rossi leave Yamaha because he loves money more than winning.
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Texas
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Good point however Rossi wasn't coming of a championship season and seem to need a change. Rossi and Burgess as foolish at that may look now thought they could make the bike better. I don't get the same circumstance for Jorge what so ever.
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Uk
Rossi does matey, it takes balls according to him anyway [emoji1]
I reckon Rossi is the coward due to his behaviour imo
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Uk
Why hasn't Rossi gone then if it so easy and he's so ballsy.
Oh wait, they don't want him [emoji1]
Besides Rossi didn't make the switch through bravery, he did it in arrogance thinking if Stoner did it, he'd find it easy. Also he did it because Yamaha wouldn't give him his own way and get rid of Lorenzo. He spat his dummy...
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Texas
Rossi made the switch at the wrong time, he's not going back. I don't care what his reasons were for going to Ducati. At the time Rossi switch, nobody would've been successful at Ducati. Lorenzo is in a much better position to make the switch and be successful. Ducati is far better team now and Lorenzo will get a huge payday and still be in the fight for the championship.
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Mongolia
I thought Rossi left Yamaha because they refused to make him numero uno over Jorge(either him or me demand), so he left Yamaha out of spite, not because Rossi wanted more money or he has balls. Remember how Rossi and Burgess started to shoot off their mouths that the Ducati was not competitive because Stoner was not working hard enough and how they would make Ducati competitive in no time?
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It takes balls is a nicer way of saying thats dumb as ..... Rossis decision was Rossis decision. I'm not sure why that has anything to do with Jorge make a similar decision years later. Does it take balls to leave a bike you can win on for a roll of the dice? Yes. But its also stupid and has the possibility to ruin him. Only one ride has been able to come back to form after riding that bike. So the risk is so much bigger than the reward. The reward is doing what he does now but for more money. That is ....... dumb.
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Your Mom's House
You're wrong, Ducati had just won races the year prior to Rossi's switch. In fact the Ducati handed to Rossi had just been in parc ferme the day before. Ducati have NOT won a race since, and now Lorenzo is poised to switch. As far as pay, Ducati paid Rossi a truck load of money.
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Texas
Ducati / Stoner managed to win just 3 races in 2010. Sure, Ducati hasn't won a race since, but it's easy to see Ducati has a much better bike and are functioning better as a team. Adding a rider of Lorenzo's caliber to the line up will be enough to get them back on top of the podium.
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Are you ranking those two riders as equals Slippin' Jummy?
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NJ
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NJ
MM was on a flyer, on pace to break into the 2:03's when the front end washed out going into the final turn. He was absolutely on the limit, but he was off the brake when the front washed.
Looks almost as if there is a drop too much load on them when leaned, they give zero warning and give out...sad Michelin thinks this is acceptable.
Looks almost as if there is a drop too much load on them when leaned, they give zero warning and give out...sad Michelin thinks this is acceptable.
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Your Mom's House
You're wrong, it is not easy to see Ducati is a much better bike. In fact the opposite is true, we are seeing a mirage, and worse we don't exactly know how much of it is a mirage. You need to analyze the situation a bit more profoundly Moto Vuvu. You need to factor in this current bike (GP16) is the beneficiary of two years worth of concessions that allowed them to develop at a greater rate that their rivals due to their "Open Class" designation hidden as a "factory". Do you know why the concessions were made? Do you remember a MotoGP category that existed for about a days called 'FACTORY 2'?
What you are perceiving is a mirage, you nor Ducati, nor anyone know if the GP16, and worse, Lorenzo's GP17 is a contender! Don't be fooled by the fact Stoner said it is a contender in his hands against the current iterations of the Honda and Yamaha. Well no ...., Stoner could likewise win on the RCV & M1 too.
Ducati added a rider of Rossi's caliber to a bike which had "just" won 3 races. And at the time Ducati were willing and did move heaven and earth to accommodate Rossi. In an environment that if any rules needed to be adjusted, they would, and in a way they were (see the sudden weight changes). As was the expectation from everyone involved in the sport. Yet even that wasn’t enough, Ducati became another villain in a long illustrious list of fall guys and evils to be hated and labeled betrayers of Rossi's rightful titles. 'Rossi didn't because ....... evil Ducati didn't listen to him.'
And I'll add, Ducati have consistently mishandled their leverage in GP. This is another example, instead of going after Lorenzo (ill suited on the face of it) they should have gone after Marquez (which they might after 2-4 years of Lorenzo. Ducati have made one blunder after another since 2007. Ducati knew when Bridgestone were provided to Rossi (who threatened to QUIT) that it would effect their machine, it's why they requested (and denied) an exclusive relationship with Michelin after the Bridgestone was developed away from Ducati and toward Rossi. Ducati should have done the same, and threatened to withdraw from the sport. At the time Dorna were desperate to fill the grid, and the loss of Ducati combined with the loss of Kawasaki, and later Suzuki would have meant GP would have lost FIM status. That's why they came up with the ........ CRT, to artificially give you a sense this was still a championship. Ducati didn't use their leverage. Quite the opposite, they stood idly by as their tire relationship they had worked so hard with was summarily dismantle by one influential rider (VR), then Ducati were subjected to a series of detrimental rulebook changes that helped the Japanese factory platforms (twins par chassis), with engine limits, fuel limits, and engine development freeze.
Lets recap:
Again, your assertion above is absolutely wrong. Ducati may seem good to you now but that's because for two years the "open class" designation allowed them to skirt the restrictions of the engine freeze (Honda rules). We are supposed to be impressed that the Ducati developed an engine over two years better than the Honda and Yamaha wilst the Japanese were restricted? Well no ..... Now Ducati will have to compete within the same rules that Honda have written for the sport. Ducati essentially got out of that restriction by a political leverage when they announced they'd enter as 'Open Class'. It prompted Dorna to create a Factory 2 category! Yes that happened. Then Dorna said (11th hour), we will just call Ducati a "factory" class on paper, but in practice you'll be an "open class". Lesson: Dorna change rules at will. God knows what the rolling rulebook has in store for next year. You already saw Dorna make changes in weeks time over the Rossi-debacle. I have no confidence that Ducati will be in a position to contend within the political environment that is Rossi-centric, decidedly because of those executives writing the rules. I have no confidence that Lorenzo will succeed in winning a title against superior Yamahas and Ducatis. But more to your point, the Ducati Rossi chose was a race winner. Fact. The Ducati still may win a race this year but it's precisely because they were not subject to the same restrictions the last two years.
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Uk
It takes balls is a lame attempt at goading Lorenzo into moving. As I said Rossi is showing what a coward he is by causing a bad atmosphere to oust Lorenzo from Yamaha. If Rossi had balls he'd shut up and race instead.
The one rider to return to form after riding the Ducati was gifted a factory Yamaha that Dorna brokered for him and economic reasons, not his results.
Rossi has won nothing since 2009 and will do anything to tip the balance to his favour in his quest for his 10th title.
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NJ
MM is 7 tenths clear of P2 after FP2.
He had he pace to get closer to 8 or 9 tenths clear.
The final corner seems to be a bit tricky for the Honda to get out of cleanly, so he's still leaving time on the table there.
His race to lose this weekend.
Redding looked good, Iannone looks like he is out to prove something which may not be a good thing, and Lorenzo right now looks a little bit better than Argentina, but I expect his season to become more difficult once the Ducati announcement happens.
He had he pace to get closer to 8 or 9 tenths clear.
The final corner seems to be a bit tricky for the Honda to get out of cleanly, so he's still leaving time on the table there.
His race to lose this weekend.
Redding looked good, Iannone looks like he is out to prove something which may not be a good thing, and Lorenzo right now looks a little bit better than Argentina, but I expect his season to become more difficult once the Ducati announcement happens.
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