MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

Frack said:

Well, it is Honda,they are gadget wizards, which makes it entirely plausible that they would attach a tractor beam to their bikes

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Jumkie said:

What's preventing him from coming back? YOU, ....... .....

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He's like the Valentino Rossi of powerslider. He throws jabs, cuts us off, knocks us down, and then says what? You guys did it. You were being rough. Only difference is he has no fans or money or friends he's not a legend. So he's like Rossi if Rossi had sucked.

moto vudu said:

Marc was able to win at PI because Lorenzo wasn't very strong. While Marc was toying with Rossi, he could see that Lorenzo was still within reach so he achieved his goal of preventing Rossi from catching Lorenzo AND he was able to win the race. MM's last lap at PI is damning proof that he was toying with Rossi and was capable pulling away whenever he chose to.

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Whereas Rossi hanging back early in races or being slower earlier and coming on strong at the end of races as has been his habit most of his career and certainly not atypical this season, is a sign of his tactical genius and general godhood? The reason MM is out of contention for the championship is that earlier in the season he did try to pull away when he chose which was then early in races, and crashed out of several of them.

His tactics were successful in winning the race. End of story

Both you and Valentino might want this championship to be his desperately, but this idea that no-one should contest a championship contender is a new one for me in any form of motorsport. Why have practice and qualifying late season if it is everyone's obligation to get straight out of the way if a contender starts from down the grid?

That said, I have not seen much in the way of statements from MM, but pretty much anything which might be said by him or his fans is also rank hypocrisy, given that MM won his first championship by the margin he gained by forcing Jorge wide in the last corner at Jerez, which would have resulted in Jorge going down if he had not gone off track, as with Sete Gibernau in the similar incident in 2005.

p4p1 said:

Penalised Marquez for what exactly?

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For racing Rossi like...well Rossi. Its a crime.

There's no overtaking passes in either the two last races that were penalty worthy for Marquez. In fact, his overtaking sequences have been one of the best I've seen, clean, brave, precise, (keep in mind he isn't known for that). His only crime is as follows : 1. he tangled with a contender, apparently that's not acceptable (despite Rossi doing it, and for the same reasons VR fans are upset no less, a question of PRIDE and petulance). 2. The BELIEF (yes a matter of FAITH ONLY) that Marquez toyed with Rossi.

SlartyBartFast said:

When is a penalty not really a penalty?
When you are riding a factory Yamaha and made to start at the back of the grid when in reality only racing three other bikes. Rossi can finish fourth easily and claim his Eighth title unless Lorenzo can beat one of the Hondas. If Lorenzo finishes second and Rossi fourth they will be equal on points.

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Which is a championship win for Lorenzo.

Keshav said:

Ich been ein chrome dinette!

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Dafuqs a chrome dinette^^

RCV600RR said:

I would distinguish the two cases for one simple reason:

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So you "distinguish" the two races NOT by what transpired on the track, that is, ZERO to do with the racing portion of these two races; but rather the FAITH you have placed on the rider's intentions.

Again, nothing to do with the actual sequence of overtaking, but your FAITH as to why these passes happened.

Breathtaking.

Jumkie said:

What's preventing him from coming back? YOU, ....... .....

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Awww.... Gosh darnit, now you've gone and hurt my little feelings.

But seriously, why? What's he afraid of? He didn't fold up and die when I posted on SS. He's a big boy. It wouldn't be, as they say, his first rodeo. I'd welcome his presence here. At least he has a real knowledge and passion for racing and actually talks about it, unlike

The Twins.

propagandhi said:

Dafuqs a chrome dinette^^

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Frank Zappa lyric.

RCV600RR said:

That's not really an argument. The question is whether the excuse is valid. You asked me if Rossi ever raced anyone hard. I responded that I can't think of an exception in the last three laps of any race. I mean, I think if you're going to make the claim that Rossi rode hard to deny Lorenzo at Motegi, you'd need to show that that sort of riding is atypical of Rossi (which you could not, with over 20 years of riding history to draw upon).

If you can't, it may be worth revising your opinion. We must always revise our opinions based on the evidence.


That actually supports my point, I think. Marquez didn't race Rossi hard at the end of the race, but at the start of the race. Additionally, Marquez didn't race Lorenzo hard when he passed him.

For the reasons I've outlined in my other posts with JPS etc., I think it was clear that Rossi poked the bear on Thursday and Marquez wanted to teach him a lesson.

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So one murder is alright, since it is not habitual, and the murderer has had opportunities to murder every day (not equating the incident to attempted murder at all btw, that is hyperbolic as you say).

And provocation is a defense for one but not the other?

Hi guys, I have been following you for a while. Great discussions!

Just wanted to drop here a cute pic from Montmelò 2008.

Jumkie said:

What's preventing him from coming back? YOU, ....... .....

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Tell him to reach into his pockets. No ,not to find balls. To take out a phone, send kesh some pics of his exploits and all'll be fine. Worked for jk and me.
Now quit ....... about and be bikers

Keshav said:

Awww.... now you've gone and hurt my little feelings.

But seriously, why? What's he afraid of? He didn't fold up and die when I posted on SS. He's a big boy. It wouldn't be, as they say, his first rodeo. I'd welcome his presence here. At least he has a real knowledge and passion for racing and actually talks about it, unlike

The Twins.

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Hey its that picture of casey stoners ancestors again.

You know your face does look a lot like this.

WVMotoGP99 said:

LOL.. Great photo..

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#22 said:

Don't bother Jum, none of them bar RCV600RR have answered my Motegi question. To them it's one rule for Rossi.

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I am waiting for a retraction of everything that was said about Stoner after Jerez 2011.

FYI guys, new topic regarding VR and Valencia you need to check out.

#22 said:

Me too, but yes that's the issue. Some feel MM deliberately slowed up, some don't...only he will know for sure. The same as some feel VR kicked him, some don't.

As an aside, I've just noticed that there is a trend going on twitter under #allowedtopassvalentino.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/allowedtopassValentino?src=hash

So the people who whine saying Lorenzo is being given the championship now want Rossi to be let through to give it to him? As Jums says, utter insanity.

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HOLY ....!

Jumkie said:

HOLY ....!

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Not sure the riders are buying in yet....

propagandhi said:

Tell him to reach into his pockets. No ,not to find balls. To take out a phone, send kesh some pics of his exploits and all'll be fine. Worked for jk and me.
Now quit ....... about and be bikers

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.... it.... tell him I'll buy him a bottle of his favorite rum as a peace offering. Anything to get Jum to stop cryin' in his cerveza over his lost love.

Gaz said:

Jums, firstly and with no offence intended, I have my eyes, my mind to make up my decision and have done so quite clearly.

Evidence does indeed suggest that MM may well have been trying to 'play' with Rossi as that same evidence would seem to indicate that MM may well have been very capable of maintaining a faster race pace but for reasons known to himself, was unable to do so.

Now as I do not tell you what to do I would appreciate a likewise courtesy as I am happy to accept that you have your view and I mine, just as I accept your view you choose or seemingly choose to tell me I am wrong. I will not extend the same level of discourtesy to you by saying you are wrong.

Further you seem to have decided that I advocate a rider pulling over and allowing another past but may I suggest or ask that you re-read ALL of my posts in this thread and you will not see that anywhere.

You have your view, I have mind and we are both entitled to it and so that is how it shall be.

No, were I a pervert it is up to the women as to whether I should be around for what you may call a pervert, those self same women may not.

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No offense taken, though based on 90% of your post you were offended by the challenge to your premise WHICH you did NOT defend, but ONLY defended your right to have an opinion...like say my opinion.

Allow me to remind you of your premise:

"I wonder what Honda/HRC think of Marquez not concentrating solely on his race and therefore possibly not producing the best result for Honda/HRC." Gaz



So let's try this again, please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, detail the EVIDENCE that is fact, NOT FAITH, HUNCHES, OR SUGGESTIONS, that Marquez perpetrated thwarting of Rossi and by extension cheated his employer HRC.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Hey its that picture of casey stoners ancestors again.

You know your face does look a lot like this.

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Learn to read. Your names are quite nicely embroidered on your shirts. Look again. Me... I'm the happy guy.
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee134/Keshavdas/....%20Dub_zpsgqtqjv1s.jpg