MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)
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Ok, now looking at it from the helo angle I can see that Rossi definitely blocked Marc from turning in.
and also everyone can see him kick at the right handle grip.
ROSSIS "my foot slipped"
the dumb ..... will believe me they are my fans
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Yep the blame games started - its all JLos and Marquez fault.....
“I think the penalty is too heavy. One point in Misano because I did a mistake on Jorge's qualifying lap when he already had pole position – and I've never taken a point before because normally I am very fair on the track. I did a mistake and for me that was quite heavy already.
Before had come the astonishing statement: “For this, I'm very disappointed for the three points. He [Marquez] won. He decided the championship and he made me lose the championship. I think that he will be very happy.”
When pushed further on his title chances: “I don't know if I've lost the championship, but it will be very difficult now. These three points give me a big problem for Valencia, because if I am to start from last it is quite impossible. I don't want to make Marquez crash and that makes it heavily.”
The stem of the drama which has become the talking point of the season was Rossi's comments on Thursday evening, when he slammed Marquez for, in his eyes, helping Lorenzo in the Australian Grand Prix.
Asked whether he felt it was mistake to provoke Marquez in such a way, Rossi said, “Since Thursday I do not regret, but for sure the reality is that I made Marquez become more nervous and more angry; I made him react in a worse way. But what can you do? If I had said nothing, I think he would have more or less done the same thing.
“I thought that if you say the truth, it would make him think a little bit more – but his reaction was the opposite.” He then added another ...: “Maybe he prefers Jorge. But in the future now I will avoid him.”
Rossi went on to explain why he thought Marquez was so aggressive in the race. “I don't expect anything, but I think he is very angry from Argentina, because he thinks I did it on purpose.
“And of course he is very angry for Assen as well. But Marquez is the only rider who tries impossible braking, to put you out of the track – then he gets angry.”
Asked whether he had lost respect for Marquez, just after Lorenzo and Marquez had said they lost respect for the Italian, Rossi coyly replied, “What do you think?”
“The reaction of Jorge in this story I don't understand very well.”
“I think the penalty is too heavy. One point in Misano because I did a mistake on Jorge's qualifying lap when he already had pole position – and I've never taken a point before because normally I am very fair on the track. I did a mistake and for me that was quite heavy already.
Before had come the astonishing statement: “For this, I'm very disappointed for the three points. He [Marquez] won. He decided the championship and he made me lose the championship. I think that he will be very happy.”
When pushed further on his title chances: “I don't know if I've lost the championship, but it will be very difficult now. These three points give me a big problem for Valencia, because if I am to start from last it is quite impossible. I don't want to make Marquez crash and that makes it heavily.”
The stem of the drama which has become the talking point of the season was Rossi's comments on Thursday evening, when he slammed Marquez for, in his eyes, helping Lorenzo in the Australian Grand Prix.
Asked whether he felt it was mistake to provoke Marquez in such a way, Rossi said, “Since Thursday I do not regret, but for sure the reality is that I made Marquez become more nervous and more angry; I made him react in a worse way. But what can you do? If I had said nothing, I think he would have more or less done the same thing.
“I thought that if you say the truth, it would make him think a little bit more – but his reaction was the opposite.” He then added another ...: “Maybe he prefers Jorge. But in the future now I will avoid him.”
Rossi went on to explain why he thought Marquez was so aggressive in the race. “I don't expect anything, but I think he is very angry from Argentina, because he thinks I did it on purpose.
“And of course he is very angry for Assen as well. But Marquez is the only rider who tries impossible braking, to put you out of the track – then he gets angry.”
Asked whether he had lost respect for Marquez, just after Lorenzo and Marquez had said they lost respect for the Italian, Rossi coyly replied, “What do you think?”
“The reaction of Jorge in this story I don't understand very well.”
yes, marquez went wide and lorenzo could pass, but after this marquez never gave the impression he is even trying to catch up again. sure, no one knows all the "what if...", but, if he would have tried to "win", under different circumstances (earlier in the championship, or maybe just fighting some1 else), i think he would have kept up the fight for some turns and, no matter if in front or behind rossi, tried to close the gap to lorenzo, and than attack again and try to beat both of them, because they both had the speed to do so. and just for the sake off the arguement that marquez overtook rossi,too...yes, but only with very hard and risky maneuvers, completely uncalled for this early in a race with many laps to go.
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It sucks that Iannone's bike .... the bed. Would of loved to see where he would have came into play this race.
I love the quality of your vids, slow motion if only you sent this to the race director rossis still would have got away with a slap on the hand MOTOGP big joke
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Ok, now looking at it from the helo angle I can see that Rossi definitely blocked Marc from turning in.
This is all you need to see.
So you'll agree that Rossi's behaviour in Laguna Seca 2008 was completely uncalled for too? Oh wait, because Rossi was dishing it out, it was called "Hard Racing"....
This is all you need to see.
So you'll agree that Rossi's behaviour in Laguna Seca 2008 was completely uncalled for too? Oh wait, because Rossi was dishing it out, it was called "Hard Racing"....
i think it was called hard racing because both were directly fighting against each other for the championship, and not som1 that plays no role in said fight (at least this year), blocking and overtaking with borderline manauvers one of the two guys that have a shot at it...as i said, just looking at this single incident, yes, rossi should have been diqualified, and it would have have been his fault for letting himself get pushed to do such a stupid thing, and yes, it´s completely his name and that he is "mr. motogp" it didn´t happen, but...his reaction to marquez "behaviuor" is understandable.
This is all you need to see.
So you'll agree that Rossi's behaviour in Laguna Seca 2008 was completely uncalled for too? Oh wait, because Rossi was dishing it out, it was called "Hard Racing"....
Ok I believe what you are going for is that I am an Aussie and that means you bring up old race incident is going to get a great response of anger sorry bud the only thing I saw there was two riders battling hard for the win when 1 cut the corner to and gained an advantage (braking the rule). The race director dealt with it.
My problem is when Simoncelli raced in a manner that was dangerous to other riders they really gave it to him. Just keep it consistent. NOONE IS ABOVE THE RULES.
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Well said!
What MM did for the last two races were dirty as ..... Who the heck he thinks he is to decide the championship for Moto GP fans.
I like what Rossi did since he may be taken out by MM a few corners later anyway given his kamikaze mode. If someone provokes me like what MM did, I would punch him in the face as well
Well said!
What MM did for the last two races were dirty as ..... Who the heck he thinks he is to decide the championship for Moto GP fans.
I like what Rossi did since he may be taken out by MM a few corners later anyway given his kamikaze mode. If someone provokes me like what MM did, I would punch him in the face as well
I think your missing the point I said NOONE IS ABOVE THE RULES rossis broke the rule, you cannot take out a fellow race because he is racing you to hard. Also correct me if I am wrong but if you are racing for the championship only the people who have a chance to win it can race all others must give way
.THATS RIGHT NOSorry answering your question how is he deciding the championship for Moto GP not sure rossis lost points and will start at the rear of grid which will make it very hard to win because he broke the rules of racing. that bit it is rossis fault. MM winning the Aussie motogp so JL could not get max points is helping Rossis. not sure if he is.
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“No Marquez knows that is not true, because it is very clear from the image, especially from the helicopter that I don’t want to make him crash. I just want to make him lose time and go out of the line and slow down because also this time, a lot worse than in Australia, he make his dirty game no? When I go wide, wide, wide, I slow down, we almost stop and I look at him to say, “F**K, what the f**k are you doing?”
After we touch and he touched with his handlebar on the right on my leg, and I lose the foot from the foot peg, but if you look at the image from the helicopter it is clear that when I lose the foot from the footrest Marquez had already crashed. So I don’t want to kick him. Also if you give a kick to a MotoGP™ bike, it don’t crash. It is not that you kick the bike; it is very heavy, like this, and he crash. But unfortunately we touched; he wanted to turn because I go very wide and I fell his handlebar on my leg her, on my thigh and I lose the leg on the foot peg. It is like this.”
After we touch and he touched with his handlebar on the right on my leg, and I lose the foot from the foot peg, but if you look at the image from the helicopter it is clear that when I lose the foot from the footrest Marquez had already crashed. So I don’t want to kick him. Also if you give a kick to a MotoGP™ bike, it don’t crash. It is not that you kick the bike; it is very heavy, like this, and he crash. But unfortunately we touched; he wanted to turn because I go very wide and I fell his handlebar on my leg her, on my thigh and I lose the leg on the foot peg. It is like this.”
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Ok I believe what you are going for is that I am an Aussie and that means you bring up old race incident is going to get a great response of anger sorry bud the only thing I saw there was two riders battling hard for the win when 1 cut the corner to and gained an advantage (braking the rule). The race director dealt with it.
My problem is when Simoncelli raced in a manner that was dangerous to other riders they really gave it to him. Just keep it consistent. NOONE IS ABOVE THE RULES.
No, you believe wrong. I was simply pointing out that rules change to suit rossi. Rossi got no penalty at Laguna so I don't know what you mean when you say race direction dealt with it.
I think your missing the point I said NOONE IS ABOVE THE RULES rossis broke the rule, you cannot take out a fellow race because he is racing you to hard. Also correct me if I am wrong but if you are racing for the championship only the people who have a chance to win it can race all others must give way
I think you are missing the point as well.
I did NOT say Rossi is right, I only said I like what he did and I would do exactly the same as well. Besides, MM initiated the contact with his helmet.
Also, I didn't say others must give way, I only said MM was dirty as ....
Rossi and Iannone simply had pace to beat JL without MM's protection in AUS and the same thing happened today. I bet a lot of people would rather watch Rossi vs JL duel to decide the championship instead of race-fixing by MM.
Ok, now looking at it from the helo angle I can see that Rossi definitely blocked Marc from turning in.
WTF? You cut it off before the alleged kick. Why?
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That's ....... grotesque.
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Hello, all.
I don't have the time or patience to sift through 65 pages of this, so allow me a quick post. My apologies if this is an echo of earlier comments.
To begin, there's no chance Marc Marquez was riding his own race. He let Lorenzo through with relative ease (I was looking for him to wave the 99 by, it was so deliberate) and then ran another corner or two well wide to drag Valentino into the scrap.
Marquez knew what he was doing, in my opinion. Seeing as Marquez had nothing on track to fight for that was worth much of anything, perhaps Valentino should've thought better about picking a fight before the weekend began. There were only two outcomes to this offensive: One, Marquez frets public perception of standing in Rossi's way of another historic world championship and cowers, stepping aside. Or two, Rossi antagonizes Marquez.
Getting into the incident itself, I'm not sure how anyone can make a case against Marquez. Sure, he spent the entirety of his race attempting to thwart Rossi, but he did so within the letter of the law. Valentino ran Marquez wide and shut it off, and between the pair of long glances in Marquez's direction, his M1 being off throttle when a typical line would suggest he return to the gas and his leg extending into Marquez's bike suggests to me this was intentional.
For that, I don't understand how there is no further sanction for the race results themselves. As has been brought up many times before, if Simoncelli was given a ride-through in 2011 for causing Pedrosa crash (while genuinely attempting an overtake), then I don't see how Rossi can receive no in-race sanctions for causing Marquez to crash (while deliberately running him wide). Starting from the back at Valencia makes things very difficult in terms of the championship, but not as difficult as had he been handed a ride-through or a DQ, which would've been warranted. Rossi got lucky, but that's been a staple of his treatment from the series for years now.
I find this fascinating, to be honest. While I have the utmost respect for Rossi's talents and achievements, I've long felt that this sort of behavior lurked behind the scenes. I think we were witness to such petulance in Qatar 2004, Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2011, off the top of my head, but this has a different feel to it. Sete Gibernau was nowhere near Rossi's equal, Casey Stoner lacked the machinery for most of his career or the longevity to truly demonstrate himself to be on Rossi's level. What I find so unique about today's display is that Marquez toyed about with Valentino like the Italian used to do so frequently with his adversaries early in the four-stroke era, and Rossi didn't seem to much care for it.
Bum wrap for Marquez, but I almost feel as though he's brought it on himself. Doesn't excuse Valentino, who I feel got off light, as he often does, but there will be hell to pay in Valencia with three speedy Spaniards who will fight to keep the Italian off the podium in front of a Spanish-heavy crowd of 100,000.
I don't have the time or patience to sift through 65 pages of this, so allow me a quick post. My apologies if this is an echo of earlier comments.
To begin, there's no chance Marc Marquez was riding his own race. He let Lorenzo through with relative ease (I was looking for him to wave the 99 by, it was so deliberate) and then ran another corner or two well wide to drag Valentino into the scrap.
Marquez knew what he was doing, in my opinion. Seeing as Marquez had nothing on track to fight for that was worth much of anything, perhaps Valentino should've thought better about picking a fight before the weekend began. There were only two outcomes to this offensive: One, Marquez frets public perception of standing in Rossi's way of another historic world championship and cowers, stepping aside. Or two, Rossi antagonizes Marquez.
Getting into the incident itself, I'm not sure how anyone can make a case against Marquez. Sure, he spent the entirety of his race attempting to thwart Rossi, but he did so within the letter of the law. Valentino ran Marquez wide and shut it off, and between the pair of long glances in Marquez's direction, his M1 being off throttle when a typical line would suggest he return to the gas and his leg extending into Marquez's bike suggests to me this was intentional.
For that, I don't understand how there is no further sanction for the race results themselves. As has been brought up many times before, if Simoncelli was given a ride-through in 2011 for causing Pedrosa crash (while genuinely attempting an overtake), then I don't see how Rossi can receive no in-race sanctions for causing Marquez to crash (while deliberately running him wide). Starting from the back at Valencia makes things very difficult in terms of the championship, but not as difficult as had he been handed a ride-through or a DQ, which would've been warranted. Rossi got lucky, but that's been a staple of his treatment from the series for years now.
I find this fascinating, to be honest. While I have the utmost respect for Rossi's talents and achievements, I've long felt that this sort of behavior lurked behind the scenes. I think we were witness to such petulance in Qatar 2004, Jerez 2005 and Jerez 2011, off the top of my head, but this has a different feel to it. Sete Gibernau was nowhere near Rossi's equal, Casey Stoner lacked the machinery for most of his career or the longevity to truly demonstrate himself to be on Rossi's level. What I find so unique about today's display is that Marquez toyed about with Valentino like the Italian used to do so frequently with his adversaries early in the four-stroke era, and Rossi didn't seem to much care for it.
Bum wrap for Marquez, but I almost feel as though he's brought it on himself. Doesn't excuse Valentino, who I feel got off light, as he often does, but there will be hell to pay in Valencia with three speedy Spaniards who will fight to keep the Italian off the podium in front of a Spanish-heavy crowd of 100,000.
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