MotoGP: 2015 Round 17 - Shell Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (SPOILERS)

JPSLotus · Oct 25, 2015

Gaz said:
Not pissing here but in some forums you aren't far wrong.

In one that is generally 50/50, the real colours have been displayed and that colour is YELLOW

A number of posters are (kid you not) calling for life time bans for Marquez for race fixing, whilst others are calling for lengthy suspension for MM with more wishing that he never shows his face again 'or else'

And as said, I kid not.

I haven't looked on Facebook since the penalty came out, but right after the incident, I posted 2 screen caps some pages back now. Some people were calling for a ban, many more were blaming MM for the entire thing because they bought completely into Rossi's ........ Thursday as did most of the media who then sold it further to the fans.

This is going to get nastier...only thing that would help is if Rossi retires since it would take all of his idiot ....... fans with him.

But, I have a feeling while if he won the title, he might have opted for retirement, he won't now because he is going to talk about how he got screwed by MM...unless of course, he appeals and gets the points cut down so he isn't at the back of the grid.

MigsAngel · Oct 25, 2015

JPSLotus said:
Rossi can appeal the penalty.

My guess is that he does within the next few days and he will get it reduced so avoids being sent to the back of the grid.

I think you are right....but it wont be until next weekend before any 'new' decision is made....just enough time for everyone to calm down, and forget a little...

basspete · Oct 25, 2015

p4p1 said:
Where was Marquez riding like a dick? Because he didn't concede to Rossi straight away?

Try watching the race, they were both riding like dicks.

propagandhi · Oct 25, 2015

..... here we go again

Gaz · Oct 25, 2015

Jumkie said:
This can never be deemed a racing incident, this was an absolute deliberate and malicious intentional crashing out of Marc Marquez. In all the time ive watched including historical footage of this sport, this was by far the most blatantly intentional and egregious act of violence.

The sheer fact that VR used the media as he has earlier in the week is a pre-emptive action to alert the media firstly to the alleged behaviours of Marquez but by doing so in the manner he did (fair game here, he brilliantly stage managed the lap times etc) he ensured additional scrutiny on Marquez for this race and invested in obtaining some sympathy should things go pear shaped.

JPSLotus · Oct 25, 2015

propagandhi said:
first ........ to make this into another stoner vs rossi thread gets hits nuts punched by my little cousin

Casey Stoner ‏@Official_CS27 2h2 hours ago

This is where the the FIM need to make the correct decision...

Mr. Shupe · Oct 25, 2015

So is the 3 point penalty gone? Crash.net tweeted the three point penalty and the grid penalty, but in their race report they only mention the grid penalty. Anyone know more?

Okay I see the 3 point penalty mentioned in a BBC article. Why I'm asking questions while on the internet is beyond me.

Gaz · Oct 25, 2015

To late JPS, Stoner was mentioned a few pages back :lol:

Gaz · Oct 25, 2015

Mr. Shupe said:
So is the 3 point penalty gone? Crash.net tweeted the three point penalty and the grid penalty, but in their race report they only mention the grid penalty. Anyone know more?

He has now earned 4 penalty points on his licence (dawdling on the race line and today), thus the penalty is once you exceed 3 you must start from the back of the grid next race

basspete · Oct 25, 2015

Gaz said:
Stoner punched a rider and got a $5000 fine for his trouble (got off to lightly as I said at the time) but he did not kick a rider. He may have 'kicked out' but he did not contact a rider with the kick so nothing happened.

Either way, Stoner did not seemingly use his bike as a battering ram and nor did he pre-empt it by using the media throughout the week to seemingly build a case for the action.

As for the penalty, I am seriously stumped but as someone who suggested that CS get a far greater penalty for the RdP incident, I likewise feel that VR needs to be treated extremely harshly in penalty terms (this was NOT a racing incident and as such, need to be adjudged appropriately)

But defintely agree ............. welcome back Pete

You're right Gaz, he kicked out at someone's front wheel, but didn't make contact.

Good to get some chat with you and Levi too.

xx CURVE xx · Oct 25, 2015

How about just a pinch more drama to this party..

Pic surfacing of Jlo passed on a yellow flag lol

Check out @CormacGP's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CormacGP/status/658209502383071232

JPSLotus · Oct 25, 2015

MigsAngel said:
I think you are right....but it wont be until next weekend before any 'new' decision is made....just enough time for everyone to calm down, and forget a little...

More than likely this is what happens.

It's about letting the initial outcry die down.

Then Dorna will step in and reduce it since let's be honest, what is more interesting from a purely entertainment perspective, Rossi starting at the back thus giving Lorenzo the title, or having Rossi starting near the front which adds to the theatrics and drama?

More money to be made with option 2.

They are in the entertainment business after all...and I cannot see this penalty holding up.

MigsAngel · Oct 25, 2015

basspete said:
Try watching the race, they were both riding like dicks.

oh definitely....and that may be why Rossi didnt get DQ'd...though rossi kicked out with his knee MM could have back off just before that instead of trying to ram rossi out the way...
if both riders had been less hot headed and rossi had kicked out then yes a DQ would have been the right call...

Funny how so many on here have been calling MM Murder Marc for a very long time....and when it comes down to a fight with Rossi they call Marc's riding as hard not dangerous as those same people have said many many times.....I guess it just a matter of how MM is trying to murder...

propagandhi · Oct 25, 2015

its not about mentioning stoner. it's about proving being incapable of viewing incidents in both, isolation and the grander scheme of things.

just a wee bit stupid , me reckon

levigarrett · Oct 25, 2015

Gaz said:
Stoner punched a rider and got a $5000 fine for his trouble (got off to lightly as I said at the time) but he did not kick a rider. He may have 'kicked out' but he did not contact a rider with the kick so nothing happened.

Either way, Stoner did not seemingly use his bike as a battering ram and nor did he pre-empt it by using the media throughout the week to seemingly build a case for the action.

As for the penalty, I am seriously stumped but as someone who suggested that CS get a far greater penalty for the RdP incident, I likewise feel that VR needs to be treated extremely harshly in penalty terms (this was NOT a racing incident and as such, need to be adjudged appropriately)

But defintely agree ............. welcome back Pete

I am/was an absolute Stoner fan. But when he did that I was ashamed for him. His penalty was definitely lighter than it should have been. On Sunday, I don't remember Stoner being involved in many questionable incidents where his riding was subject to inquisition. Rossi cannot say that.

This press event makes clear that the consensus among the press and the two other podium finishers is that Rossi behaved poorly before, during and after the race. How he handles this going forward will speak to his legacy. Not for the faithful of course, but for those who look objectively at the sport and his career.

Rossi has the option now to lose this championship with grace and style, stand upon his record and be proud or he can show up in Valencia with the same victim mentality that led to his outburst on Thursday and Sunday.

What will we see in Valencia?

evo9 · Oct 25, 2015

Jumkie said:
This can never be deemed a racing incident, this was an absolute deliberate and malicious intentional crashing out of Marc Marquez. In all the time ive watched including historical footage of this sport, this was by far the most blatantly intentional and egregious act of violence.

Same here. The pesa turd literally stopped his bike to give two long stare then deliver a KICK! Only the yellow mustard clown nut clinging sheep's would see otherwise.

michaelm · Oct 25, 2015

basspete said:
Well, well, that was a lively one. Rossi stirred the .... pot, and Marquez took the bait. Poor show by both riders, Marquez practically stopped to let Jorge pass, then he and Rossi goaded each other like a pair of kids. Rossi crossed the line with the knee, no argument there, but, Marquez looked capable of ....... off and playing with the grown UPS, rather than get tangled up with Rossi, who couldn't.

It was a shifty and childish act by someone who should know better, and like most, I've lost respect for Rossi here, he's been looking a .... since Thursday, not a good look.

Lets not paint Marquez as the innocent victim here entirely, he was riding like an arse too today, and he's hardly averse to using his bike as a battering ram is he? Don't suppose this is the right time to bring up Stoners incidents of punching and kicking riders in qualifying is it?

Today Rossi was a Dick, Marquez was a Dick too for getting involved. As Hodgson said, Pedrosa and Lorenzo should keep a dignified quiet. They did the right thing and let the riding talk for them.

Yes, that petulant little ....... Stoner took Vale out at Jerez 2011, and nearly took him out at the corkscrew at Laguna Seca 2008.

JPSLotus · Oct 25, 2015

xx CURVE xx said:
How about just a pinch more drama to this party..

Pic surfacing of Jlo passed on a yellow flag lol

Check out @CormacGP's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CormacGP/status/658209502383071232

Crash.net MotoGP ‏@crash_motogp 12m12 minutes ago

Lorenzo: If another rider did that same move he would be punished minimum ride through, black flag. I'm very disappointed.

I'm of the belief, that Lorenzo, being the upstanding guy he is, with his endless concern about proper procedure, and following of the rules should get hit with a time penalty for that pass.

I don't disagree with what J-Lo is saying, but he's got a lot of reasons to really be coming down against Rossi, all of which are self-serving. Dani hasn't even been going on like this.

p4p1 · Oct 25, 2015

basspete said:
Try watching the race, they were both riding like dicks.

They were both racing hard but fair until Rossi decided that it was Marquezs fault that Lornezo got away from him.

Mr. Shupe · Oct 25, 2015

Gaz said:
He has now earned 4 penalty points on his licence (dawdling on the race line and today), thus the penalty is once you exceed 3 you must start from the back of the grid next race

Oh so it's disciplinary points. Not actual championship points. Boo. ....... boo.

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