MotoGP: 2015 Round 14 - Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon (SPOILERS)

Whats the status of Pedrosa and HRC for 2016. Im really puzzled by his willingness to scrap after so many years of complacency. He looked like a man riding for a contract.

Radha said:

Whats the status of Pedrosa and HRC for 2016. Im really puzzled by his willingness to scrap after so many years of complacency. He looked like a man riding for a contract.

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Tony Elias Syndrome.

To be fair tho... This is the first time he's gone this long a stretch without being hobbled by injury or recuperation from injury.

Dani Pedrosa rode like a legend today , was feckin epic racing, but more delighted the boy won well done Jorge *bigsmile

littlesparrows said:

He's a fantastic rider. Dude has a passion for the sport. I mean ...., I bitch about little .... & not wanting to do it. Homeboy just goes out every Sunday & kills it.

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Impressed...in this one race? Yeah, sure, but he seems to do better right after an injury than when he's healthy. I love the kid and root for him, but he needs to hit that next level. Hopefully he gets fully fit and will take the championship to Yamaha and Honda next year.

shovelhead said:

Not sure if I should wear my Lorenzo or Pedrosa shirt today

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Ha. I'm wearing a new, out of the plastic, Biaggi #3 RSV4 t-shirt.
What a successful line of clothing that was....

HEISMAN said:

Impressed...in this one race? Yeah, sure, but he seems to do better right after an injury than when he's healthy. I love the kid and root for him, but he needs to hit that next level. Hopefully he gets fully fit and will take the championship to Yamaha and Honda next year.

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Well I've been impressed with quite a few of his races this year. This was just another one to add to the list.

Keshav said:

Who's gonna argue against that? He's kinda been the unspoken heir for many to the Simoncelli fan club around here. Some of his battles in the otherwise often boring Moto 2 races were really epic. He's not as flamboyant in interviews and definitely not as over the edge as Simoncelli - but there's a certain something that always reminds me of him. Tho - he's already a much more mature racer than old Sic. I wasn't a big fan of Super Sic - but I still wonder from time to time how he'd be faring if he were still around. A guy that big would IMHO not have been able to continue to be competitive in a world of midgets and anorexics.

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I think Iannone is better than Simo ever was. I know that may be heresy to some but I'll stand by it.

Pedrosa has beaten Rossi in a direct fight. It is the first time in 9 years, I think. Rossi was as surprised as everybody else... Pedro too it seemed. I have to say that Rossi didn't look for any excuses. On Italian TV he said he was feeling fine on the bike and tried everything he could, but there was no way Pedro could be beaten today. Kudos to both of them! That surely was entertaining.

Lorenzo sounded so relieved in the interviews, that he didn't have to fight Marquez. Suppo said they were sure to win because they had calculated that the Honda would arrive at the end with better tires than the Yamaha. But Marc was too impatient, and this current Honda is a tricky horse when pushed too hard on the front.

J4rn0 said:

Pedrosa has beaten Rossi in a direct fight. It is the first time in 9 years, I think. Rossi was as surprised as everybody else... Pedro too it seemed. I have to say that Rossi didn't look for any excuses. On Italian TV he said he was feeling fine on the bike and tried everything he could, but there was no way Pedro could be beaten today. Kudos to both of them! That surely was entertaining.

Lorenzo sounded so relieved in the interviews, that he didn't have to fight Marquez. Suppo said they were sure to win because they had calculated that the Honda would arrive at the end with better tires than the Yamaha. But Marc was too impatient, and this current Honda is a tricky horse when pushed too hard on the front.

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Agreed on all points. You could see Dani fight the front and the rear at different times. The Honda looks very unstable under heavy braking. It's got great point and shoot performance but lacks mid corner speed and braking stability. Honda has some work to do while Yamaha has quietly gone about improving their package.

Jum will say I have this all wrong but Dani mentioned all of this in the post race presser and there's no reason to doubt him on this.

levigarrett said:

I think Iannone is better than Simo ever was. I know that may be heresy to some but I'll stand by it.

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I disagree. I feel we were only touching the surface as to how good Super Sic was. Some of his moves through his career were crazy but almost all of them were unique. He learned from every error and was becoming better every time he took a lap. Iannone is really good and has been throughout his career as well, but Simo was something special.

levigarrett said:

Agreed on all points. You could see Dani fight the front and the rear at different times. The Honda looks very unstable under heavy braking. It's got great point and shoot performance but lacks mid corner speed and braking stability. Honda has some work to do while Yamaha has quietly gone about improving their package.

Jum will say I have this all wrong but Dani mentioned all of this in the post race presser and there's no reason to doubt him on this.

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Watch the new documentary he talks about his breaking issues because of his size. That movie was by far better than the others.

levigarrett said:

Agreed on all points. You could see Dani fight the front and the rear at different times. The Honda looks very unstable under heavy braking. It's got great point and shoot performance but lacks mid corner speed and braking stability. Honda has some work to do while Yamaha has quietly gone about improving their package.

Jum will say I have this all wrong but Dani mentioned all of this in the post race presser and there's no reason to doubt him on this.

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To paraphrase the The Soup Nazi: "No tin foil hat for you!"

MdubSTYLIE said:

I disagree. I feel we were only touching the surface as to how good Super Sic was. Some of his moves through his career were crazy but almost all of them were unique. He learned from every error and was becoming better every time he took a lap. Iannone is really good and has been throughout his career as well, but Simo was something special.

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I just don't see it. Simo comported himself with the Rossi cult of personality and benefited from it. He was being groomed to be the "young Rossi" and that improved his standing in my opinion. I don't think he lived up to the hype. It's opinion which like taste, cannot be accounted for. In the end, we'll really never know.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Watch the new documentary he talks about his breaking issues because of his size. That movie was by far better than the others.

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What movie? I must have missed that. Thanks.

levigarrett said:

What movie? I must have missed that. Thanks.

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Hitting the apex. Its the follow up to faster & fastest. Its easy to find online. Its got it all. Rossi to ducati. Stoners retirement. The season of the clavicle.

littlesparrows said:

Well I've been impressed with quite a few of his races this year. This was just another one to add to the list.

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He's doing better than the rest, no doubt, but if he's going to enter the pantheon of champions he still needs to improve. He's doing better than Dovi which I insinuated he would before the season started. It's his third year in MotoGP so hopefully he hasn't reached the zenith of his talent (I don't think he has).

Only up to page 10 so here goes.

MdubSTYLIE said:

And now hes just dust in the wind while the rest of his era is still going strong.

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Nope.

This is a new era, his was the 800cc era where he was (to be fair) quite dominant/remarkable.

Whilst he competed on both the 990cc (2006) and 1000cc (2012) bikes, his real era and that which I believe he will be most remembered for was the 800cc era.

JPSLotus said:

Meh, funny thing is, if he wild carded at Philip Island for Honda, he'd win that race in spite of not racing in 3 years. His talent is all still there.

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No he wouldn't.

Rossi or Marquez will win PI this year (I suspect Rossi for as I have said elsewhere, only Stoner is his equal or better on that track)

Dr No said:

So irrelevant that you cannot help to ....... bring him up all the ....... time?
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Irrelevant would seem to be more along the Criville and KRjr WCs....seemingly forgotten men. Sadly.

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Sadly very true, particularly for KRjr

Keshav said:

I liked in the conference how Dani was talking about how much he valued his last few laps with Vale. He said that Vale was the master of changing braking points at will and how his confidences was supreme; and he said so humbly how lacking he was in that department. Very difficult to say that to cameras broadcasting that to the world.

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Interesting comment with regards to changing of braking points as for a following rider that would be extremely difficult to strategise against without overcommitting.

A good insight

MdubSTYLIE said:

I did not bring him up Micheal did. Stoner and this conversation are irrelevant but if you choose to reply so will I. Feel free to take this conversation to any other thread you sooks want to bring it up in.

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Nobody is sooking Dubs, go have some candy, a tug, put on your onesie and have a good lie down under your #46 doona (is it cold enough for a doona yet)


Seriously though, the sheer fact that CS still elicits such responses is an indication of his legacy so he is far from forgotten by many no matter how wishful the remaining people want him gone.

Ok, all caught up

Keshav said:

Yeah - kinda like all those other quitters like Kenny Roberts, Eddie Lawson and Schwantz. Those guys were also such losers 'cause they didn't have enough ambition. Nobody will remember them either.

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You missed Spencer (the first time).

Personally, I correlate CS far more with Spencer than I do any other rider of the last 35 or so years. Precocious talent and speed intermixed with a complex personality.

Keshav said:

Agree. There is that kind of Narcissistic Personality Disorder that seems to be particularly rampant in American with the Trumps, Kochs and Adelson's and their ilk to keep on piling up more than they need - and none of them EVER seem like genuinely happy. Whereas Stoner is that rare breed that seems to be at peace with himself and happy to .... off and do what he wants without worrying what anyone else thinks. He's got the beautiful wife, the kid, the house and the toys and very little need to blog or Twitter or any of the social media stuff to bring attention to himself. Clearly this angers those who have nothing and never will some for whom enough is never enough.

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Now who is channelling Barry

shovelhead said:

Not sure if I should wear my Lorenzo or Pedrosa shirt today

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Times like these you need the rider branded underwear

levigarrett said:

I think Iannone is better than Simo ever was. I know that may be heresy to some but I'll stand by it.

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Not heresy ............. fully agree here but will temper that by saying that we also never experienced a mature Simoncelli

MdubSTYLIE said:

I disagree. I feel we were only touching the surface as to how good Super Sic was. Some of his moves through his career were crazy but almost all of them were unique. He learned from every error and was becoming better every time he took a lap. Iannone is really good and has been throughout his career as well, but Simo was something special.

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Agree as well.

To me, Simoncelli only ever had one race in MGP that really captured me and made me genuinely believe that he both belonged and would have a long career (very sadly taken from us).

To me, his race at PI where he finished second to 'he who shall not be named' was he first time I ever saw Simoncelli ride smartly and maturely in MGP. I said at the time that the race may well have been the maturing that he needed but sadly, it would prove to be his last race.

Unlike you however Dubs, I do not think that Simoncelli was something special in racing terms but he was certainly a personality to capture some fans (personally not me as mentioned elsewhere I do not get encaptured by showmanship).

Truth is, we shall never know and nor should we really compare one to the other as it is unfair to each.

All I'll say is what a race!! I dunno who got into Pedders leathers today but whoever it was I was glad and was cheering him on like hell!

I think Keshav said something about Rossi being beating in a fight for the first time and I have to say, during the race I thought Rossi would get Pedrosa, not being able to recall a time when there was a late race battle and Rossi had been beaten (Welkom 04, Jerez 05, Laguna 08, Barcelona 09, Motegi 10, Argentina 15 etc etc) so it was awesome to see someone finally take a fight to him and win. Both riders were spectacular but Pedrosa was rider of the day for me.

Jorge checked out, and I was glad to see him back to form. I was actually doing maths in my head during the race and it was probably better for him that MM DID crash. Because it was likely he'd have beaten him which would have cost him 5 points, but then Rossi dropping from 3rd to 4th would have only cost him 3 points.

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I think Keshav said something about Rossi being beating in a fight for the first time and I have to say, during the race I thought Rossi would get Pedrosa, not being able to recall a time when there was a late race battle and Rossi had been beaten (Welkom 04, Jerez 05, Laguna 08, Barcelona 09, Motegi 10, Argentina 15 etc etc) so it was awesome to see someone finally take a fight to him and win. Both riders were spectacular but Pedrosa was rider of the day for me.

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May be wrong and happily corrected but I think the comments referred to Pedrosa beating Rossi in a head to head in MGP rather than Rossi in general being beaten head to head by any rider