MotoGP: 2015 Round 14 - Gran Premio Movistar de Aragon (SPOILERS)

Dr No · Sep 28, 2015

It seems far from what his personality would suggest, but races like that make me wonder how much the red mist plays in Dani's racecraft. He really wanted that 2nd.

Plus: has anyone seen any commentary from DP as to how the added weight of the bikes affect him. When they did that 4kg? change the comments were all from or about CS, if I recall

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

Gaz said:
May be wrong and happily corrected but I think the comments referred to Pedrosa beating Rossi in a head to head in MGP rather than Rossi in general being beaten head to head by any rider

Oh yes I know Gaz, I was more just thinking out loud

Kropotkin · Sep 28, 2015

levigarrett said:
I just don't see it. Simo comported himself with the Rossi cult of personality and benefited from it. He was being groomed to be the "young Rossi" and that improved his standing in my opinion. I don't think he lived up to the hype. It's opinion which like taste, cannot be accounted for. In the end, we'll really never know.

This. Simoncelli was marginally better than Stefan Bradl. Andrea Iannone is not far off Marc Marquez in terms of talent. There is no comparison between the two, Simoncelli would not have seen which way Iannone went, he would have struggled to be in that satellite battle.

As for Iannone, I wrote him off in the past. I always thought he lacked the smarts to make it all the way, but I have been impressed by him this season. Totally outriding Dovizioso, who I think is a very good rider, and an exceptional development rider.

Dani Pedrosa is the most underrated rider on the MotoGP grid.

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

Some riders just need that impetus Krops don't they? I think Iannone has had a fresh start this year with a new bike in the works team (I know he got a factory spec bike last year though under Pramac colours), a crew he works well with and is gaining confidence and importantly, maturity.

Gaz · Sep 28, 2015

#22 said:
Some riders just need that impetus Krops don't they? I think Iannone has had a fresh start this year with a new bike in the works team (I know he got a factory spec bike last year though under Pramac colours), a crew he works well with and is gaining confidence and importantly, maturity.

As the saying goes, 'sometimes a change is as good as a holiday'.

Have to be fair as I have not watched much of the racing this year but Ianonne impressed me last year so good to see him getting kudos.

Lets hope that he is one of many in and around that age bracket who can produce, keep producing, learn and produce some more for years to come

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

Gaz said:
Only up to page 10 so here goes.

Nope.

This is a new era, his was the 800cc era where he was (to be fair) quite dominant/remarkable.

Whilst he competed on both the 990cc (2006) and 1000cc (2012) bikes, his real era and that which I believe he will be most remembered for was the 800cc era.

No he wouldn't.

Rossi or Marquez will win PI this year (I suspect Rossi for as I have said elsewhere, only Stoner is his equal or better on that track)

Sadly very true, particularly for KRjr

Interesting comment with regards to changing of braking points as for a following rider that would be extremely difficult to strategise against without overcommitting.

A good insight

Nobody is sooking Dubs, go have some candy, a tug, put on your onesie and have a good lie down under your #46 doona (is it cold enough for a doona yet)

Seriously though, the sheer fact that CS still elicits such responses is an indication of his legacy so he is far from forgotten by many no matter how wishful the remaining people want him gone.

Gazzy boy we laid this argument to bed. But I do have one question for you. There is a tin foil hat theory going around that Dani's surgery was not arm pump surgery but rather he stole one of Stoners balls out of Adriana's purse and had it attached where is raisin used to be. What do you think fact or fiction? I think its a little silly personally.

J4rn0 · Sep 28, 2015

You look at Dovi, and can see he's not having much fun or excitemente riding his bike. He surely suffers because the GP15 is still unstable under the brakes and so he cannot fully exploit his strongest point. But one can't help thinking that Iannone is indirectly responsible for his current depression.

littlesparrows · Sep 28, 2015

J4rn0 said:
You look at Dovi, and can see he's not having much fun or excitemente riding his bike. He surely suffers because the GP15 is still unstable under the brakes and so he cannot fully exploit his strongest point. But one can't help thinking that Iannone is indirectly responsible for his current depression.

No matter what Dovi is still really good. For ..... sake he rode his way up from 13th yesterday. Which is far more better than starting higher on the grid & dropping back like P.Asparagus who went from 4th to 9th.

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

Yeah but Sparows he isn't 'Charismatic' which seems to be more important to a lot of people.

Asparagus has fancy colour numbers on his bike and qualifies higher so that makes him a better rider

MdubSTYLIE · Sep 28, 2015

#22 said:
Yeah but Sparows he isn't 'Charismatic' which seems to be more important to a lot of people.

Asparagus has fancy colour numbers on his bike and qualifies higher so that makes him a better rider

I rarely hear anyone say a bad thing about Dovi. He's a all round good guy and solid rider. The Asparagus bros on the other hand look like the result of a crayon factory explosion.

littlesparrows · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
I rarely hear anyone say a bad thing about Dovi. He's a all round good guy and solid rider. The Asparagus bros on the other hand look like the result of a crayon factory explosion.

I would love to have a beer with Dovi. I think he would be fun.

Keshav · Sep 28, 2015

#22 said:
All I'll say is what a race!! I dunno who got into Pedders leathers today but whoever it was I was glad and was cheering him on like hell!

I think Keshav said something about Rossi being beating in a fight for the first time and I have to say, during the race I thought Rossi would get Pedrosa, not being able to recall a time when there was a late race battle and Rossi had been beaten (Welkom 04, Jerez 05, Laguna 08, Barcelona 09, Motegi 10, Argentina 15 etc etc) so it was awesome to see someone finally take a fight to him and win. Both riders were spectacular but Pedrosa was rider of the day for me.

Jorge checked out, and I was glad to see him back to form. I was actually doing maths in my head during the race and it was probably better for him that MM DID crash. Because it was likely he'd have beaten him which would have cost him 5 points, but then Rossi dropping from 3rd to 4th would have only cost him 3 points.

Actually the quote you're thinking of was from a post by Mr J4rno.

"Pedrosa has beaten Rossi in a direct fight. It is the first time in 9 years, I think. Rossi was as surprised as everybody else... Pedro too it seemed. I have to say that Rossi didn't look for any excuses."

#22 · Sep 28, 2015

That was it, thanks for the correction. That'll teach me to be lazy with quoting..

Arrabbiata1 · Sep 28, 2015

That race was a perfect graphic illustration of the differing characteristics of the M1 and the RCV. Owing to Yamaha's choice of Aragon as a test venue, the two machines were practically inseparable maximising their respective strengths in the different sectors of this wonderful circuit.

I really thought Pedrosa was done following that block pass by Vale. Arm pump aside, it seems the testicle transplant operation was also a resounding success.

Someone mentioned this was more like the Pedrosa of old from his 125 and 250 days. Although I remember some titanic and ferocious battles with the likes of Perugini and Lorenzo, actually Dani more often than not, tended to sit back and pull the pin checking out in the final third of the race and reminds me of the finesse and guile that has characterised Kent's riding in this year's Moto 3 championship. For those that have either forgotten, choose not to remember or weren't watching, watch Brno 2012 when he beat Jorge, chiefly by reducing his TC mid race which was sapping power and like yesterday, slid the RCV like the King.

Pleased to see that Marquez blamed nothing other than his own error for the crash...particularly in terms of the direction readability and health of this race thread.

Lorenzo? - the biblical weather conditions turned out to be a God-send indeed..had it not have rained at Silverstone and Misano, the championship would have been pretty much done. Now, this could very well go down to the wire...and it's been a very long time since we've been blessed with that.

AntG · Sep 28, 2015

I thought 2013 went down to wire didn't it?

Arrabbiata1 · Sep 28, 2015

AntG said:
I thought 2013 went down to wire didn't it?

Yeah, I stand corrected. Lorenzo won at Motegi and P.I while HRC ...... up the spilt race at the latter when Marquez failed to pit on lap ten.

Valencia that year saw the uber aggressive ride from Jorge that Mdub was recollecting.

I'm still thinking 2006.

AntG · Sep 28, 2015

Does anyone know how many championships have gone down to the wire? Off the top of my head I can only think of 2013, 2006 and 1992.

Gaz · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Gazzy boy we laid this argument to bed. But I do have one question for you. There is a tin foil hat theory going around that Dani's surgery was not arm pump surgery but rather he stole one of Stoners balls out of Adriana's purse and had it attached where is raisin used to be. What do you think fact or fiction? I think its a little silly personally.

Fiction.

I say that as firstly it is common knowledge from the fans of your ilk (sorry mate, everybody and his dog have been using that word lately so just wanted to jump on board) that Stoner did not like to battle 'mano el mano' and so his testicle would have been useless for Pedrosa

My personal opinion is he needed to Pee and the sooner he finished the better but in the event of an 'accident' the yellow stream would be less obvious on Rossi's bike than flailing along behind the Honda.

MdubSTYLIE said:
I rarely hear anyone say a bad thing about Dovi. He's a all round good guy and solid rider. The Asparagus bros on the other hand look like the result of a crayon factory explosion.

Why did I first read that as 'explosion at the clown factory'?

But with Dovi, he has had doubters in this very forum but I cannot recall any criticism levelled at him personality wise other than the doubters wondering about the drive of the guy. My take, at least he and the full team including Ianonne has gotten the Ducati working in a way that is making it a near-competitive machine (unfortunately, near enough is stuill not good enough)

Keshav · Sep 28, 2015

Gaz said:
Fiction.

I say that as firstly it is common knowledge from the fans of your ilk (sorry mate, everybody and his dog have been using that word lately so just wanted to jump on board) that Stoner did not like to battle 'mano el mano' and so his testicle would have been useless for Pedrosa but by having Rossi behind him, any yellow stream

My personal opinion is he needed to Pee and the sooner he finished the better but in the event of an 'accident' the yellow stream woudl be less obvious on Rossi's bike than flailing along behind the Honda.

Why did I first read that as 'explosion at the clown factory'?

But with Dovi, he has had doubters in this very forum but I cannot recall any criticism levelled at him personality wise other than the doubters wondering about the drive of the guy. My take, at least he and the full team including Ianonne has gotten the Ducati working in a way that is making it a near-competitive machine (unfortunately, near enough is stuill not good enough)

There were a faction here who sincerely believed that Honda was giving all the best kit to Pedrosa and in general holding back Dovi. Some went so far as to speculate that Honda was dialing up the power on Dovi's bike when Pedro was out sick just to keep up the points for the sake of the manufacturers championship. While I don't generally hold to all the conspiracy nonsense - circumstantial evidence (and gut feel) really did seem to point in that direction. I really feel if Repsol weren't so hell bent on having only Spanish champions, and had honored their comittments properly - Dovi would really have shined on later iterations of the Honda. I think he'd have taken at least a second in the championship the year they bought out his contract. One of Honda's more shameful moments.

michaelm · Sep 28, 2015

MdubSTYLIE said:
Gazzy boy we laid this argument to bed. But I do have one question for you. There is a tin foil hat theory going around that Dani's surgery was not arm pump surgery but rather he stole one of Stoners balls out of Adriana's purse and had it attached where is raisin used to be. What do you think fact or fiction? I think its a little silly personally.[/QUOT
The conspiracy theory is clearly fanciful. Adrianna is only a slight girl, and would obviously require a wheelbarrow if she wished to transport Stoner's testicles in a non- domestic situation.

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