Didn't i tell you guys Casey Stoner is prone to choking under pressure? Not trying to be an ... about it, just tellking it how i see it. You Stoner fans just need to be quiet and stop defending him, attacking those who all along knew he was a choker. You can tell he is not one to be able to stand up to pressure just by his demeanor and the way he carries himself. I'm not going to rub it in you Stoner fans face.... but hey now you guys know i was right all along.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 31 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why does it matter that he jumped ship now? It is for mutual gain for all parties and similar to what you said Dani doesn't want to ride mid pack. I don't think there is a disgrace in "jumping ship" things change and just like Rossi last season Dani's morale is damagng his performance as much as his tyre performance and a change is the only solution.
I wasn't around last year when Rossi looked for the change, but were you as supportive of Rossi then as you are of Dani now?
I wasn't around last year when Rossi looked for the change, but were you as supportive of Rossi then as you are of Dani now?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 31 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't around last year when Rossi looked for the change, but were you as supportive of Rossi then as you are of Dani now?
That depended on the day of the week.....
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That depended on the day of the week.....
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1. Valentino Rossi - THE DOCTOR, THE LEGEND, THE CHAMPION!
2. Jorge Lorenzo - Back to Form!!
3. Toni Elias - You deserve a ride more than 50% of the field!!!
4. Dani Pedrosa - Well you did well enough to get better tyres.
5. Chris Vermeulen - Shame about the start
6. James Toseland - Shame you don't have Bridgestones
7. Loris Capirossi - Well done for your age and record
8. Andrea Dovizioso - I was expecting more.
9. Marco Melandri - I was expecting less.
10. Colin Edwards - What happened to you now?
11. Sylvain Guintoli - You got beat my Melandri?
12. Shinya Nakano - Token Japanese
13. Anthony West - You Beat Hopper!!!!
14. John Hopkins - Your career in GPs is numbered in my view
DNF:
Casey Stoner - WTF!!?!!?
Alex de Angelis - Decided to beat the traffic and go home early I see
Randy de Puniet - Thank for doing your official service to Humanity as office Gravity Tester - It still works!!
2. Jorge Lorenzo - Back to Form!!
3. Toni Elias - You deserve a ride more than 50% of the field!!!
4. Dani Pedrosa - Well you did well enough to get better tyres.
5. Chris Vermeulen - Shame about the start
6. James Toseland - Shame you don't have Bridgestones
7. Loris Capirossi - Well done for your age and record
8. Andrea Dovizioso - I was expecting more.
9. Marco Melandri - I was expecting less.
10. Colin Edwards - What happened to you now?
11. Sylvain Guintoli - You got beat my Melandri?
12. Shinya Nakano - Token Japanese
13. Anthony West - You Beat Hopper!!!!
14. John Hopkins - Your career in GPs is numbered in my view
DNF:
Casey Stoner - WTF!!?!!?
Alex de Angelis - Decided to beat the traffic and go home early I see
Randy de Puniet - Thank for doing your official service to Humanity as office Gravity Tester - It still works!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 31 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't i tell you guys Casey Stoner is prone to choking under pressure? Not trying to be an ... about it, just tellking it how i see it. You Stoner fans just need to be quiet and stop defending him, attacking those who all along knew he was a choker. You can tell he is not one to be able to stand up to pressure just by his demeanor and the way he carries himself. I'm not going to rub it in you Stoner fans face.... but hey now you guys know i was right all along.
Not sure if its choking he makes mistakes because of a couple reasons... he cannot hold his qualifying performances and he wants to beat everyone to a pulp come race day.
If he was a little more conservative and did Qualifying differently so he isn't the rider they are all looking to beat each week he wouldn't have this pressure.
Not sure if its choking he makes mistakes because of a couple reasons... he cannot hold his qualifying performances and he wants to beat everyone to a pulp come race day.
If he was a little more conservative and did Qualifying differently so he isn't the rider they are all looking to beat each week he wouldn't have this pressure.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (coops @ Aug 31 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden,
I would have sacked him if I was Honda...... what a ....!! playing around on his Holidays
Damn newbies...always out to ruin my Sunday evenings. Hayden had permission from his team to take part in X games. Think before you type.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mmdm @ Aug 31 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thanks casey to have killed the show...
Yes...he definitely took that high speed crash just to ruin YOUR day. Another newbie. Pah!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 31 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh and well done Mr.Rossi! IMO this will be your sweetest ever world championship and you sure earned it.
SSshhh...it ain't over till it's over...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 31 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A the post race interview Elias said he "was free" and that anyone interested should let him know. He actually looked like he was on the verge of crying. Talk about your bittersweet moments. Sounds like Ducati has already cut him loose. How ....... ironic is that? The one other guy who finally learns to ride the 08 bike competitively isn't assured of a ride.
Elias can cry all he likes. Nothing against the guy. But when you're a pro racer getting support from a team, riding in a seat that so many would gladly give an arm and a leg for, GETTING PAID FOR IT, and owing your fans and sponsors at the very least the best performance you can summon up every race day, I find it shameful that he only gets his finger out when his job is on the line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 31 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eurosport said Ago has not been seen by them today - hence no celebration with him.
Ago was there. And how! He was in the Italia 1 studio on location and had a bit of banter with Valentino with Graziano, Domenicali and the rest of the posse joining in and joking that Ago had 'given permission' to Vale to equal his number of wins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 31 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another fine example of Rossi picking up an undeserved win. The cruisin' caretaker watches Casey clear off then waits for a crash or mechanical failure.
We know somebody else who used to do that.
BLA
BLA
BLA
Why do I feel like I'm yelling into an empty abyss.
Your head is so far up your own rear end you can only see sht! Get over yourself!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Aug 31 2008, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can Pedrosa be testing B's when he still is contracted with M's
As I remember Rossi couldn't do the November tests on B's until after the new year when his contract was expired
Because what's good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wrong ! rossi waited not only until the season had ended, he waited until his contract expired with them unlike dani who jumped ship half way through the season and threatened to boycott races he they didn't concede.
Not only that. I haven't seen it on here but the Italia 1 guys were saying, and in his post race interview Lorenzo confirmed, that after qualifying at the last race, Puig went round the boxes of all Michelin riders trying to get ALL OF THEM to boycott the race. What a bloody cheek! Especially as I'm sure the bridgestone deal didn't just fall out of the sky in the space of 14 days. So this guy was trying to get others to miss their race when all along he had the Stones lined up.
Now onto the race.
The 250's race pissed me off. It seems when you're spanish you can get away with anything in Motogp. Barbera was pretty barbaric...after all the BLA BLA from Dorna that they wouldn't tolerate dirty riding, and bringing in the 'yellow card' rule and slapping it retroactively on Simoncelli, who cannot afford to screw up (or retaliate as would have been fair today) or he'll be shown the red card and the door, they let Barbera get away with murder. W@nkers!
The Motogp race was ok. I don't know what's wrong with Stoner though at this point it's hard not to assume some psychological damage has indeed been done. It's sad to see him go down for the third race in a row. I was just thrilled for Lorenzo more than anything as it's great to see him have overcome all that he's gone through this season and come in for a totally well earned second. If only Pedrosa had half this kid's character. He might be mad...but he knows what he wants and how to work for it. I used to admire Pedrosa in his 250 days...now I just think he's a little bit pathetic.
On a lighter note...Maradona, it seems, will never grow a sporting conscience. It's all ok to support Valentino....but cheering when Stoner went down is just childish.
I would have sacked him if I was Honda...... what a ....!! playing around on his Holidays
Damn newbies...always out to ruin my Sunday evenings. Hayden had permission from his team to take part in X games. Think before you type.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mmdm @ Aug 31 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>thanks casey to have killed the show...
Yes...he definitely took that high speed crash just to ruin YOUR day. Another newbie. Pah!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Aug 31 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh and well done Mr.Rossi! IMO this will be your sweetest ever world championship and you sure earned it.
SSshhh...it ain't over till it's over...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Aug 31 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A the post race interview Elias said he "was free" and that anyone interested should let him know. He actually looked like he was on the verge of crying. Talk about your bittersweet moments. Sounds like Ducati has already cut him loose. How ....... ironic is that? The one other guy who finally learns to ride the 08 bike competitively isn't assured of a ride.
Elias can cry all he likes. Nothing against the guy. But when you're a pro racer getting support from a team, riding in a seat that so many would gladly give an arm and a leg for, GETTING PAID FOR IT, and owing your fans and sponsors at the very least the best performance you can summon up every race day, I find it shameful that he only gets his finger out when his job is on the line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 31 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eurosport said Ago has not been seen by them today - hence no celebration with him.
Ago was there. And how! He was in the Italia 1 studio on location and had a bit of banter with Valentino with Graziano, Domenicali and the rest of the posse joining in and joking that Ago had 'given permission' to Vale to equal his number of wins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 31 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another fine example of Rossi picking up an undeserved win. The cruisin' caretaker watches Casey clear off then waits for a crash or mechanical failure.
BLA
BLA
BLA
Why do I feel like I'm yelling into an empty abyss.
Your head is so far up your own rear end you can only see sht! Get over yourself!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Aug 31 2008, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can Pedrosa be testing B's when he still is contracted with M's
As I remember Rossi couldn't do the November tests on B's until after the new year when his contract was expired
Because what's good for the goose is apparently not good for the gander....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wrong ! rossi waited not only until the season had ended, he waited until his contract expired with them unlike dani who jumped ship half way through the season and threatened to boycott races he they didn't concede.
Not only that. I haven't seen it on here but the Italia 1 guys were saying, and in his post race interview Lorenzo confirmed, that after qualifying at the last race, Puig went round the boxes of all Michelin riders trying to get ALL OF THEM to boycott the race. What a bloody cheek! Especially as I'm sure the bridgestone deal didn't just fall out of the sky in the space of 14 days. So this guy was trying to get others to miss their race when all along he had the Stones lined up.
Now onto the race.
The 250's race pissed me off. It seems when you're spanish you can get away with anything in Motogp. Barbera was pretty barbaric...after all the BLA BLA from Dorna that they wouldn't tolerate dirty riding, and bringing in the 'yellow card' rule and slapping it retroactively on Simoncelli, who cannot afford to screw up (or retaliate as would have been fair today) or he'll be shown the red card and the door, they let Barbera get away with murder. W@nkers!
The Motogp race was ok. I don't know what's wrong with Stoner though at this point it's hard not to assume some psychological damage has indeed been done. It's sad to see him go down for the third race in a row. I was just thrilled for Lorenzo more than anything as it's great to see him have overcome all that he's gone through this season and come in for a totally well earned second. If only Pedrosa had half this kid's character. He might be mad...but he knows what he wants and how to work for it. I used to admire Pedrosa in his 250 days...now I just think he's a little bit pathetic.
On a lighter note...Maradona, it seems, will never grow a sporting conscience. It's all ok to support Valentino....but cheering when Stoner went down is just childish.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 31 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry I don't like scripts.
In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king. Interpret that as you like.
There is a simple fact that even the completely blind ones can know (just by listening to the radio): if Casey had stayed on the bike in the last three races, he wouldn't probably be more than 20 points from Rossi now. So, as a key contributor to bringing the title back in Rossi's lap, we must conclude Stoner himself must be part of this evil conspiracy.
In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king. Interpret that as you like.
There is a simple fact that even the completely blind ones can know (just by listening to the radio): if Casey had stayed on the bike in the last three races, he wouldn't probably be more than 20 points from Rossi now. So, as a key contributor to bringing the title back in Rossi's lap, we must conclude Stoner himself must be part of this evil conspiracy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 31 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't around last year when Rossi looked for the change, but were you as supportive of Rossi then as you are of Dani now?
I do not support Dani's move, i would prefer he stuck it out with Michelin just as I did with Rossi last year. It disappoints me that both these riders became so demoralized they had to demand tyre changes to be satisfied. However i do understand that Dani and Rossi should not be critisized for their move as the psychology of a racer is the most important thing and they must do whatever it takes to win.
I do not support Dani's move, i would prefer he stuck it out with Michelin just as I did with Rossi last year. It disappoints me that both these riders became so demoralized they had to demand tyre changes to be satisfied. However i do understand that Dani and Rossi should not be critisized for their move as the psychology of a racer is the most important thing and they must do whatever it takes to win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 31 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not sure if its choking he makes mistakes because of a couple reasons... he cannot hold his qualifying performances and he wants to beat everyone to a pulp come race day.
If he was a little more conservative and did Qualifying differently so he isn't the rider they are all looking to beat each week he wouldn't have this pressure.
It doesn't matter how you cut it...it is what it is. Or should i say HE is who he is, a guy who can not handle pressure. Come on give me a break, stop making up excuses for the guy. Yes i know he is a champion, yes i know the guy is fast as fucc, But yes i also know he is a choker... and now you Stoner fans know also. No more excuses.
If he was a little more conservative and did Qualifying differently so he isn't the rider they are all looking to beat each week he wouldn't have this pressure.
It doesn't matter how you cut it...it is what it is. Or should i say HE is who he is, a guy who can not handle pressure. Come on give me a break, stop making up excuses for the guy. Yes i know he is a champion, yes i know the guy is fast as fucc, But yes i also know he is a choker... and now you Stoner fans know also. No more excuses.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Aug 31 2008, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 250's race pissed me off. It seems when you're spanish you can get away with anything in Motogp. Barbera was pretty barbaric...after all the BLA BLA from Dorna that they wouldn't tolerate dirty riding, and bringing in the 'yellow card' rule and slapping it retroactively on Simoncelli, who cannot afford to screw up (or retaliate as would have been fair today) or he'll be shown the red card and the door, they let Barbera get away with murder. W@nkers!
I'd like to direct you to the topic i started about Hector in the "other motorsports chat" section. You seem to have a pretty strong opinion on the matter and your input would be good....
I'd like to direct you to the topic i started about Hector in the "other motorsports chat" section. You seem to have a pretty strong opinion on the matter and your input would be good....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 31 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.
Credit for the championship? No way in hell. The only pressure Vale has been applying is on the scoreboard. That lead was handed to him by Ezmerelda and the other people who can't stand to watch the consequences of true prototype racing.
While I'm not a huge fan of heavily restricted modern prototype racing, I don't particularly relish the idea of destroying it by handing out favors to one rider. Level the playing field for all. I wanna see what's going to happen not what DORNA thinks is supposed to happen.
Denial is not a river in Egypt my friend.
Credit for the championship? No way in hell. The only pressure Vale has been applying is on the scoreboard. That lead was handed to him by Ezmerelda and the other people who can't stand to watch the consequences of true prototype racing.
While I'm not a huge fan of heavily restricted modern prototype racing, I don't particularly relish the idea of destroying it by handing out favors to one rider. Level the playing field for all. I wanna see what's going to happen not what DORNA thinks is supposed to happen.
Denial is not a river in Egypt my friend.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 31 2008, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to direct you to the topic i started about Hector in the "other motorsports chat" section. You seem to have a pretty strong opinion on the matter and your input would be good....
Then take your discussion elsewhere.... this thread is about Stoner choking again, let's not get off topic now.
Then take your discussion elsewhere.... this thread is about Stoner choking again, let's not get off topic now.
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Do you know Stoner just hasn't been the same since he bumped into Rog at Laguna, what did he say to him............
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Aug 31 2008, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You really are sad and deluded.
Or just as thick as .....
PeteSpoken like a true Scotsman
Or just as thick as .....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Aug 31 2008, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you know Stoner just hasn't been the same since he bumped into Rog at Laguna, what did he say to him............
Rog touched his bottum
Rog touched his bottum
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Aug 31 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Poor Kawas, poor Stoner... What the hell is wrong with him?
I think this might have something to do with it
I think this might have something to do with it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R1 SF @ Aug 31 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think this might have something to do with it
still has dirt in his eye
still has dirt in his eye
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