Malaysian *RACE* thread

[Jumkie]

Oh yes we have, until where blue in the face .



Its a little like music artists. you get your one hit wonder's that releases a fantastic track and goes straight to #1 in the charts. we all await for a second song as good as the first but it never comes and the artist is soon forgotten. Then there's the artist or band that releases track after track year after year and becomes a house hold name.

This won't change that Lorenzo won the title this year ladies (and there seems to be more than usual here) and gentlemen.

 

[babelfish]

Simonchelli practically t-boned Aoyama, a man still healing from a broken back. You're an ..... if you think it was anything like Motegi.

+ 1

At least not everyone one here are completely wasted when looking at the races.

Simoncelli got that one wrong, but race director let it go, but it had to be a close call.

That pass was even harder than rossi's pass an Sete at Jerez, Later and as yousaid closer to T-bone.

 

[rossiofsky]

Oh yes we have, until where blue in the face .



Its a little like music artists. you get your one hit wonder's that releases a fantastic track and goes straight to #1 in the charts. we all await for a second song as good as the first but it never comes and the artist is soon forgotten. Then there's the artist or band that releases track after track year after year and becomes a house hold name.

Are you comparing the great classic rock bands with the one day flies like Rikky Martin and 50 cents and so on?

 

[frosty58]

well the racing was great! have'nt had a chance till now to post! congrats to jorge & toni for their well deserved championships! can't figure the dust up on the supposed snub... damn the guy was in lala land!

now that the title is done & dusted we should be in for some real corkers these last 3 races!!!

can't wait!!!

 

[rossiofsky]

Actually Mich, I think you got your devaluations mixed up, Nicky won only by luck remember?



Rossiofsky is claiming this thread to be short because "the real fans" didn't show up implying a lack of "fans" of the sport vs fans of a particular rider, oddly enough the Aragon thread merely managed 123 replies, by far the shortest race thread in a long while. So using his own logic, it seems the "non-real fans" were out to lunch. And I agree with his assessment. Remind me who won that race? Remind me who struggled in that race? Amazing isn't it?



But I don't expect him to follow his own logic for the reason you've state above. They say ignorance is bliss? Well just imagine the self gratification utter stupidity must bring.

What i saw in this thread and a few others, except a few of Rossi fans, all said Lorenzo deserve his championship, even those Rossi fans who admited to dislike Horhay.

those who criticised Horhay for Ben, were not only Rossi fans (i,m sure you knew that), there were a few/some Rossi fans among them, but there were also Rossi fans who took Horhay's side. So, the "real fan" dont like to see that side, just the same as your explanation for Simochelli fault, you wouldn't have this idea if Simoch had ridden into Hayden and Aoyama had piked up 2 places.



About the Aragon thread, if your talking about me, I wasn't here (actually the whole September i was in vacation), but i checked it now and saw a lot of Rossi fans had commented there in that 7 pages.



By the way "the real fans" was invented by yourself mr Garrison, you know the meaning, but to explain it for others, it's opposite to Rossi fans, in fact means Rossi haters. One of them is mr Slave who says: i got what i wanted ,, anyone but Rossi for the title. this is the mentality of "the real fans".

 

[babelfish]

Disagree. But I'll play along with your point. Simonchelli's contact was about the same as the ones at Motegi, that is, desperation to keep a faster rider behind him. Had Rossi put that move on Simoncelli or any other rider at Sepang, with the exception of Jorge and Nicky, I would not have been complaining. You think its a Rossi centric question, but its not, as you see most peeps are not harping Semonchelli. That is to say, the move, though desperate, did not involve the circumstance related to Motegi. We talked about this to death, but you boys continue to miss this very important point, the racing itself is secondary. Jorge, because he was in the throws of a title and being a teammate (a point you guys continue to miss). I would not approve of a similar move on Nicky because I'm a fan. Rossi is free to .... with anybody else.

Why are yo still on montegi Jumkie. The rest of us are moving on and even if you are wrong (and you are, badly) it's about time to let it go. And in case you didn't get it the first time the point was that a certain group(maybe not you, but I strongly doubt it) would have filled this tread with a dozen of pages in no time if was Rossi who did the pass Simoncelli did. To compare that pass with Montegi is just further proof that you really were wasted

It's so far off that it is really funny. That pass was harder than Rossi vs Sete at Jerez. Simon got later into the situation and he hit on a much more direct angle, only the low speed prevented it from become real ugly.

Anyway lets forget it, you don't want to discuss Simocelli anyway. Lets hope PI will be even better than the two last ones.

 

[rossiofsky]

Why are yo still on montegi Jumkie. The rest of us are moving on and even if you are wrong (and you are, badly) it's about time to let it go. And in case you didn't get it the first time the point was that a certain group(maybe not you, but I strongly doubt it) would have filled this tread with a dozen of pages in no time if was Rossi who did the pass Simoncelli did. To compare that pass with Montegi is just further proof that you really were wasted

It's so far off that it is really funny. That pass was harder than Rossi vs Sete at Jerez. Simon got later into the situation and he hit on a much more direct angle, only the low speed prevented it from become real ugly.

Anyway lets forget it, you don't want to discuss Simocelli anyway. Lets hope PI will be even better than the two last ones.

+1



I brought this up to get his and others opinion on Simoch and talk about this but he still shows more interest to talk about Motegi and finds them the same.

 

[chopperman]

Are you comparing the great classic rock bands with the one day flies like Rikky Martin and 50 cents and so on?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muDZD3wgoHI[/media]

 

[michaelm]

Nobody has talked about it YET, and do you think only Rossi fans bring the rivals achievements under question and the Rossi haters dont talk the same about Rossi achievements and dont remind us of the Dorna and tire companies

supports and unfair advantages?



Rossi has also had a few easy championships, but he has won a few hard ones also to prove his point.I,m sure if Casey or Nikky win a few more championships more doubters will change their idea about them and some will never change their idea,

Exactly the same as "the real fans" about Rossi.



What about your view? Are you guys wrong? of cource not!

I will admit having difficulty with your arguments, not because of their intellectual rigour, but (again from my point of view) because engaging them requires a degree of double-think which exceeds my capacity.



I don't recall anyone saying that any of rossi's championships were undeserved; even possibly the greatest troll (again depending on your point of view) on here in 2007, CSCVAW, who was eventually banned only argued (obviously incorrectly) that rossi's days had passed, not they never were. What I at least, and jumkie mainly, argue is that the same arguments that are used to denigrate stoner and previously hayden could be applied to rossi at times. Since these are arguments that we absolutely do not accept when applied to hayden or stoner, I don't see that this is hating rossi, but there you go.

 

[Jumkie]

Why are yo still on montegi Jumkie.

Here is what strikes me most amazing about your posts Babel. You have routinely stuck your foot in mouth and have said some outrageous things (I don't think I need to remind you) yet you've still had the bliss of sticking around as if it never happened. You see things that are not there and the things that are, you blindly ignore them. I don't know how you do it. Perhaps you really are simply just mentally challenged (that's a nice way of saying, ........).



Check out what you just did, you ask why I'm bringing up Motegi, but I was replying to you bringing it up. Are you that ........? You can just go back to last page and see. Its just a few clicks away. In fact, as if you didn't notice what you yourself had written, I call it out for you:

I see you brought up the Simoncelli/Aoyama incident to compare to last weeks.

On top of that, you have Rossiofsky admitting he brought it up.

I brought this up to get his and others opinion on Simoch and talk about this but he still shows more interest to talk about Motegi and finds them the same.

So let me get this straight, you bring up Motegi then accuse me of bringing it up to talk about it? In what world does this make sense? (I guess only in the world of a demented mind).



Both of you clowns are blind ..... that can't even followed what is actually being discussed in simple series. Really dude, why even try to debate me? You fail every time. Go turn on your TV and use your infamous x-ray vision to tell us something we don't know. I'm sure somebody will believe you (like Rossiofsky).

 

[michaelm]

Are you comparing the great classic rock bands with the one day flies like Rikky Martin and 50 cents and so on?

I guess it depends on what floats your boat, but I would imagine most on this (fan ) forum would rate a rider's championship above a pop hit, and it is precisely because winning even one of them is such a significant achievement that winning 7 (or 9) as rossi has done is so outstanding, so again I don't understand your argument .



Since you have diverted to pop culture, I have to say I don't get your continual "slave" and "mr garrison" references, doubtless due to excessive age and lack of hipness, so there is probably a whole level of subtlety in your posts which eludes me.

 

[Keshav]

+ 1

At least not everyone one here are completely wasted when looking at the races.

Simoncelli got that one wrong, but race director let it go, but it had to be a close call.

That pass was even harder than rossi's pass an Sete at Jerez, Later and as yousaid closer to T-bone.

I mentioned this on the first page of the thread. Simoncelli is a dangerous clown. The only reason

he's not been talked about with regards to his antics - is that he's been too busy crashing this year.

 

[povol]

You are aware that altering your line makes you slower in most cases. In this case motegi is a tight track while Lori was taking his normal lines rossi looked like he was going in tight at the corners and if your a fan and watch a lot of racing then you'll know it's to keep the rider behind you from out braking you into a corner. Lori did catch him up again but Rossis lines helped in a way. Still Lori bad to make the pass but didn't.

Its quite possible you are the only one on here who doesnt believe Lorenzo was faster in the closing laps. But then again we are talking about someone actually being faster than Rossi, so, probably not..

 

[LittleEgg]

I guess it depends on what floats your boat, but I would imagine most on this (fan ) forum would rate a rider's championship above a pop hit, and it is precisely because winning even one of them is such a significant achievement that winning 7 (or 9) as rossi has done is so outstanding, so again I don't understand your argument .



Since you have diverted to pop culture, I have to say I don't get your continual "slave" and "mr garrison" references, doubtless due to excessive age and lack of hipness, so there is probably a whole level of subtlety in your posts which eludes me.

A bit like cheeky girls getting to number one in the UK charts.....but basically there was naff all else decent at the time. And the era was/is shocking.



I see some parallels emerging here...

 

[LittleEgg]

Its quite possible you are the only one on here who doesnt believe Lorenzo was faster in the closing laps. But then again we are talking about someone actually being faster than Rossi, so, probably not..

Where jumkie is spreading shizzle.....his bum grape aint lagging too far behind.

 

[geewhiz14]

So anyway, where's Jane and her photos?!

 

[Jumkie]

So anyway, where's Jane and her photos?!

No ..... WTF.

 

[michaelm]

A bit like cheeky girls getting to number one in the UK charts.....but basically there was naff all else decent at the time. And the era was/is shocking.



I see some parallels emerging here...

Since the championships in question were achieved with valentino rossi in the field, I don't quite understand what parallel you see

; in particular 2006 is widely accepted as one of the best years of racing.

 

[esco]

Its quite possible you are the only one on here who doesnt believe Lorenzo was faster in the closing laps. But then again we are talking about someone actually being faster than Rossi, so, probably not..

Weird since Rossi ended infront at the checkered flag... I'll watch the race again, maybe I missed Lorenzo being faster Than Rossi and beating him in the race.

 

[babelfish]

Here is what strikes me most amazing about your posts Babel. You have routinely stuck your foot in mouth and have said some outrageous things (I don't think I need to remind you) yet you've still had the bliss of sticking around as if it never happened. You see things that are not there and the things that are, you blindly ignore them. I don't know how you do it. Perhaps you really are simply just mentally challenged (that's a nice way of saying, ........).



Check out what you just did, you ask why I'm bringing up Motegi, but I was replying to you bringing it up. Are you that ........? You can just go back to last page and see. Its just a few clicks away. In fact, as if you didn't notice what you yourself had written, I call it out for you:

Still drunk?

I wrote this:

If anything was lost in translation it was from me to you this time. I wasn't comparing the incidents directly, but tried (and failed) to get through that if Rossi had done such a pass() on ANY rider (even his team mate) this tread would have passed 50 pages on Monday morning and there would be hell to pay. I hate to bring it up as it's one of your and Povol's favorites but this do smell double standards, doesn't it?

Edit: ()Note that I talk about the Simoncelli/Ayoama incident at Sepang here.

In that I diverted the attention from Montegi to Sepang. To others I hope that this also clearly indicate that any Montegi discussion in this tread is not what I inteded to bring up, even if you obviously thought so.



But even after that one you continued to bring up Montegi. Then I pointed out how useless that was in the Sepeang tread, but at the same time I did argue against you. Sorry Jumkie, I won't argue against your off topic ramblings anymore (Uh, I guess I never could have said that if I ment it). I notice that you find that dualism much more interesting than than the arguments themselves. But then again, you've always been good at diversions even when you're "drunk" like now.



Don't worry Jumkie, it's ok to be wrong now and then, no one will call you mentally challenged or a ...... because of that. After all we are just on big happy family here, arn't we?