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If we tally up all the podiums this year, both Sprint and Race, ie 102 podiums we see that M Marquez has done 18 of the 20 GP23 podiums and podiums by GP24 makes up 59 of them being 58 by Martin/Bezzecchi/Bastainini and 1 by Morbidelli. The data suggests that next year will be between Bezzecchi and M Marquez. We will see Martin on the podium but not in the championship fight.
Bike​
Podiums (Sprint & Race)​
Aprilia​
10
GP23​
20​
GP24​
61
Honda​
0​
KTM​
11
Yamaha​
0​
Total Result
102

Actually if I am not mistaken the number are a little different. Being bored I tried the same taking Marc out of the equation and bumping everyone up one place. In other words, if we were to put a rider of similar strength to the other GP23s, the table would look like below.

With Marc​
Without Marc​
GP24​
61​
70​
GP23​
20​
7​
KTM​
11​
14​
Aprilia​
10​
11​
 
I am interested to see how KTM go next year too. They have the rider in Acosta it seems. They need to provide him with the bike to keep him I reckon. Dunno how long his contract is and the formula changes in 2 more years, but 2 more years on a sub standard bike seems too long.
If the current grid was frozen, then in a few years we'd have Acosta in his prime versus other riders on the downhill slope. But, Acosta is going to eventually be up against David Alonso. Of course, Alonso could easily be another Moto3 star that fails to shine at higher levels, but the more I see the more I think he's going to be an alien.

It would be disappointing for Acosta if by the time he's on a championship capable bike, he's up against an even better rider. Which I think, others may accuse me of hyperbole, Alonso might be.
 
...quite interesting how well he was able to do without wings.
Fascinating, thanks for posting! I'm pretty surprised by the result, even if it's just one data point. A lot of money being spent on aero, does make you wonder how effective it is. The bike just looks so much better without.
 
If the current grid was frozen, then in a few years we'd have Acosta in his prime versus other riders on the downhill slope. But, Acosta is going to eventually be up against David Alonso. Of course, Alonso could easily be another Moto3 star that fails to shine at higher levels, but the more I see the more I think he's going to be an alien.

It would be disappointing for Acosta if by the time he's on a championship capable bike, he's up against an even better rider. Which I think, others may accuse me of hyperbole, Alonso might be.

Alonso is looking very, very good. Marquez speaks highly of him.
Good point. Not good for Acosta to be on an uncompetitive bike for 2 more years.
 
Alonso is looking very, very good. Marquez speaks highly of him.
Good point. Not good for Acosta to be on an uncompetitive bike for 2 more years.
Agreed. The comparison I think of is Lando Norris at Mclaren. He's been there 6 seasons despite having chances to go to more competitive teams. Now his car if finally a frontrunner, he has a new team mate who is mostly outclassing him.

If you look back at the MotoGP era (post 2001), every champion except Hayden (and Pecco) won the championship within 3 years. Hayden is a thoroughly deserving champion but we all likely agree that he isn't classed in the same category as the likes of Lorenzo, Stoner, Marquez and Rossi. Pecco won in his 4th season but he is an outlier. This KTM contract could be make or break for Acosta.
 
I didn't see this receiving any coverage during the weekend but it's quite interesting how well he was able to do without wings.

Also kinda supports my theory that ride height has more of an effect than aero.
Won't get into the debate of how important aero is for laptimes, but I've been a firm believer in that the dreadful racing we get during most races is due to a combination of ride-height devices and tire pressures, and not so much aero as people bemoan. We got plenty of great racing with aero bikes involved. Marc himself has said that ride devices have equalized perfomance and it's the main cause negating rider skill. What you used to do with your hands and sense, now simply requires engaging the height device and get amazing traction out of corners regardless of skill. And then you add the tire pressure nonsense, which makes riders hesitant to do their own races in case pressure shoots up/goes low, and we get dull racing more often than not.
 
Won't get into the debate of how important aero is for laptimes, but I've been a firm believer in that the dreadful racing we get during most races is due to a combination of ride-height devices and tire pressures, and not so much aero as people bemoan. We got plenty of great racing with aero bikes involved. Marc himself has said that ride devices have equalized perfomance and it's the main cause negating rider skill. What you used to do with your hands and sense, now simply requires engaging the height device and get amazing traction out of corners regardless of skill. And then you add the tire pressure nonsense, which makes riders hesitant to do their own races in case pressure shoots up/goes low, and we get dull racing more often than not.
Those two are linked. The increased aero loading is the main driver of the minimum tyre pressure if I recall correctly.

P.S Hard to believe, but finally watched Office Space for the first time last night, now I know where your username and avatar comes from!
 
I watched the PI race from onboard the #93. If you have this option, I recommend. Nothing but the sweet sound of that Ducati. The short shift out of T-10 into 11. Pretty much surgical................................except the start.
 
Prediction: Jorge, Pedro, Pecco & Marc make good starts and get a gap on the field. Pedro is stalking Jorge and Marc is harassing Pecco for 3rd. Marc & Pecco keep exchanging overtakes as Jorge and Pedro open a .5 or .6 gap. Around lap 14, Pedro starts to struggle a little bit and is looking to finish. Marc keep hounding Pecco but eventually they overtake Pedro......or Pedro crashes, not sure. Martin's gap is now ~1 second. With 4 laps to go, Marc overtakes Pecco one last time and never looks back. He hunts down Martin and wins the race.

After the race it will be announced Rossi is in hospital getting his head duct taped. He'll survive.
You're a visionary....kinda.
 
Opinions on Aldegeur's move on Canet?
In my opinion it was a ridiculous move that one rider was basically shoving the other one off the track. I was listening to the MotoPG podcast and they had Simon Crafar on. The future principal steward found the move on the limit but legit and "he loved it" because we should promote the show.. I dread to think we are following the F1 gimmicky show road where drivers are basically driving offtrack all the time.
 
Opinions on Aldegeur's move on Canet?
In my opinion it was a ridiculous move that one rider was basically shoving the other one off the track. I was listening to the MotoPG podcast and they had Simon Crafar on. The future principal steward found the move on the limit but legit and "he loved it" because we should promote the show.. I dread to think we are following the F1 gimmicky show road where drivers are basically driving offtrack all the time.
I agree that it was over the line. My personal 'line' that is. That Canet stayed upright may have been a matter of luck as much as it was any evidence that the move was OK.

At the time I was waiting to see if there would be a penalty.

I'd really want to rewatch it a bit more, and from different angles if available, before being firm about that, however.
 
Opinions on Aldegeur's move on Canet?
In my opinion it was a ridiculous move that one rider was basically shoving the other one off the track. I was listening to the MotoPG podcast and they had Simon Crafar on. The future principal steward found the move on the limit but legit and "he loved it" because we should promote the show.. I dread to think we are following the F1 gimmicky show road where drivers are basically driving offtrack all the time.

Crafar has openly applauded such moves after taking his new position in race direction but he always stresses his approval is from the perspective of the rider. He has also stated he'll need to "learn" about his upcoming stewardship so let's see if his opinions change.
 

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