Malaysian *RACE* thread

[cliche guevara]

I wonder why the thread of last gp got to 28 pages in a few days, and this one is still on it's 7th page.



Where are "THE REAL FANS" who were bitching about Rossi last week and were so worry for Horhay's championship??



It happened enough in this race to talk about, with Rossi winning from 11th and Horhay winning his first championship, and the other things like Simochelli's riding into Aoyama (why dont you hater's call for Dorna now, oh he wasn't Rossi), and a good performance from Spies, and ..., So where the hell are you "Real Fans" (Rossi hater's) to talk about this race. Dont you have anything to ..... about this time? or was the race less exciting than the last one?





Mr Garrison is talking about not reeding too much into things like head shaking of Spies, but last week when 4 world champions had a different view than Horhay and the hater's in here, he and the rest of the "Real fans" remained sure and kept bitching that Rossi had done a big crime and they kept defending the interests of Horhay and Yamaha. Now that this doesn't fit his/their hate agenda, no one has to reed into it?



Mr Slave alone had more than 20 commentes in that last gp, but this time it took him 2 days to comment his first and the only one. (what happend to your worries for Horhay and his championship mr Slave?)



Dont you have anything to talk about, unless there is something to ..... about Rossi??

last time i remember someone losing their head because they felt someone insulted their idols was in elementary school when the boys mocked the girls for being in love with the backstreet boys

what have you been smoking to get so angry over the fact that there were less replies to one race than to the other and for that matter,what kind of person takes the time to gather such empiric evidence over something sooooo pointless

 

[LittleEgg]

what have you been smoking to get so angry over the fact that there were less replies to one race than to the other and for that matter,what kind of person takes the time to gather such empiric evidence over something sooooo pointless

I dunno but there are plenty on here that do.

 

[MdubSTYLIE]

Great race. ...... thread.

 

[chopperman]

Hi Pete, what's up buddy? Good to see you back on the forum.



About Lorenzo finishing 3rd, I think he learned his lesson from the previous week and wasn't about to test fate. He played it safe, of this I have no doubt. That doesn't make Rossi's win less impressive, but it does give it some perspective. All smart champions have done this in their title clinching race, Rossi did it, Stoner did it, Hayden did it, and even Spies in WSBK. Its not uncommon actually.

He played it safe in that he was not about to pulls cimonchelli moves to win which was wise and mature. But im sure if he thought he had the speed to win the race and seal his first premier class championship on the top step he would have. I don't think Jorge had that pace which backs up what rossi said in motegi about lorenzos pass on rossi at the start held him up by 2 secs losing rossi the race. Doesn't matter how peeps here want to spin it but rossi was the fastest man on track even when he was fighting through the pack without clear track ahead. Lorenzo did not sit back and play safe, he was caught up and passed. Game over as far as the championship but its plain for all to see "The Doctors back" !

 

[Jumkie]

Lorenzo did not sit back and play safe, he was caught up and passed.



lorenzos pass on rossi at the start held him up by 2 secs losing rossi the race.

Its hard to prove a negative either way. But then its easy to ignore the method the last several titles have been clinched, that includes Rossi.



Saying that Lorenzo held up Rossi for 2 secs.

Hahaha, wow dude. I really don't even know how to respond. It took desperate counter moves to barely get past Lorenzo, who had the faster pace, in the last two laps. But you want to believe the first lap shuffle "cost him the race"? ....oh kay

 

[Jumkie]

Great race. ...... thread.

Perhaps hombre, but this article speaks to the undertones of this thread (and not so undertoned actually, as some have made their sour grapes rather thinly veiled). Some of us have seen it before, its actually nothing new. Infact I can think of three other times I've seen such undertones expressed.

This thread has been played out not just here, but all across the sport's discussion spaces.

At Sepang on Sunday, Jorge Lorenzo committed what a very large group of motorcycle racing fans consider the most heinous of crimes: Taking a MotoGP championship from Valentino Rossi. LINK

 

[dwoodhouse]

Perhaps hombre, but this article speaks to the undertones of this thread (and not so undertoned actually, as some have made their sour grapes rather thinly veiled). Some of us have seen it before, its actually nothing new. Infact I can think of three other times I've seen such undertones expressed.

This thread has been played out not just here, but all across the sport's discussion spaces.

Yes I haven't said a bad word about jlo winning the championship and I thought that article was his worst.

 

[chopperman]

Its hard to prove a negative either way. But then its easy to ignore the method the last several titles have been clinched, that includes Rossi.



Saying that Lorenzo held up Rossi for 2 secs.

Hahaha, wow dude. I really don't even know how to respond. It took desperate counter moves to barely get past Lorenzo, who had the faster pace, in the last two laps. But you want to believe the first lap shuffle "cost him the race"? ....oh kay

Just quoting what rossi said in parc ferme. Actually this is the third ttime ive mentioned it but no one picked up on it. wondering if anyone bothers to read my posts

 

[esco]

Its hard to prove a negative either way. But then its easy to ignore the method the last several titles have been clinched, that includes Rossi.



Saying that Lorenzo held up Rossi for 2 secs.

Hahaha, wow dude. I really don't even know how to respond. It took desperate counter moves to barely get past Lorenzo, who had the faster pace, in the last two laps. But you want to believe the first lap shuffle "cost him the race"? ....oh kay

Well Ive watch the race a few times now and it look like rossi ha better pace at the beginning and if he says so since he was behind Lori than I'll take that, but it's not Lorenzos fault Rossi couldnt make the pass stick. Good defense from Lorenzo. At the end of the race I don't think Lorenzo had better pace it just looked like Rossi was having to take tighter lines to keep lori behind him and not let him do a stoner/laguna on him.

 

[babelfish]

I only get .... faced when I'm at the track buddy. You know that.



Interesting you use the word: hallucination-something that somebody imagines seeing & hearing when it is not present or actually occurring in reality. By any chance were you at Motegi? As I know from your history, you have an eye for seeing things in a peculiar way. Oh wait, I forgot, your have the same superpower straight from you TV screen.

I see you brought up the Simoncelli/Aoyama incident to compare to last weeks. Perhaps its a translation thing (i know how you love to hide behind it), but here is a newsflash, they are not teammates. Its much more acceptable for them to race eachother hard since they have nothing so significant on the line. The only thing on the line in the Motegi's scrap was egos and titles, big difference.

If anything was lost in translation it was from me to you this time. I wasn't comparing the incidents directly, but tried (and failed) to get through that if Rossi had done such a pass on ANY rider (even his team mate) this tread would have passed 50 pages on Monday morning and there would be hell to pay. I hate to bring it up as it's one of your and Povol's favorites but this do smell double standards, doesn't it?

 

[povol]

Well Ive watch the race a few times now and it look like rossi ha better pace at the beginning and if he says so since he was behind Lori than I'll take that, but it's not Lorenzos fault Rossi couldnt make the pass stick. Good defense from Lorenzo. At the end of the race I don't think Lorenzo had better pace it just looked like Rossi was having to take tighter lines to keep lori behind him and not let him do a stoner/laguna on him.

UH, if Lorenzo wasnt faster, why would Rossi alter his line to keep him behind.

 

[chopperman]

UH, if Lorenzo wasnt faster, why would Rossi alter his line to keep him behind.

Dont be a .... !

 

[Jumkie]

Dont be a .... !

You are asking alot here. Afterall, he is Republican.

(That's for that anti-demo comment you made...you thought I hadn't noticed didn't you...)

 

[chopperman]

You are asking alot here. Afterall, he is Republican.

(That's for that anti-demo comment you made...you thought I hadn't noticed didn't you...)

dont miss much do you, just select in what you want me to know youve seen

 

[Jumkie]

If anything was lost in translation it was from me to you this time. I wasn't comparing the incidents directly, but tried (and failed) to get through that if Rossi had done such a pass on ANY rider (even his team mate) this tread would have passed 50 pages on Monday morning and there would be hell to pay. I hate to bring it up as it's one of your and Povol's favorites but this do smell double standards, doesn't it?

Disagree. But I'll play along with your point. Simonchelli's contact was about the same as the ones at Motegi, that is, desperation to keep a faster rider behind him. Had Rossi put that move on Simoncelli or any other rider at Sepang, with the exception of Jorge and Nicky, I would not have been complaining. You think its a Rossi centric question, but its not, as you see most peeps are not harping Semonchelli. That is to say, the move, though desperate, did not involve the circumstance related to Motegi. We talked about this to death, but you boys continue to miss this very important point, the racing itself is secondary. Jorge, because he was in the throws of a title and being a teammate (a point you guys continue to miss). I would not approve of a similar move on Nicky because I'm a fan. Rossi is free to .... with anybody else.

 

[esco]

UH, if Lorenzo wasnt faster, why would Rossi alter his line to keep him behind.

You are aware that altering your line makes you slower in most cases. In this case motegi is a tight track while Lori was taking his normal lines rossi looked like he was going in tight at the corners and if your a fan and watch a lot of racing then you'll know it's to keep the rider behind you from out braking you into a corner. Lori did catch him up again but Rossis lines helped in a way. Still Lori bad to make the pass but didn't.

 

[chopperman]

You are asking alot here. Afterall, he is Republican.

(That's for that anti-demo comment you made...you thought I hadn't noticed didn't you...)

I think democrats and republicans are ......s. what you yanks need is a coalition

 

[heyhuub]

Disagree. But I'll play along with your point. Simonchelli's contact was about the same as the ones at Motegi, that is, desperation to keep a faster rider behind him. Had Rossi put that move on Simoncelli or any other rider at Sepang, with the exception of Jorge and Nicky, I would not have been complaining. You think its a Rossi centric question, but its not, as you see most peeps are not harping Semonchelli. That is to say, the move, though desperate, did not involve the circumstance related to Motegi. We talked about this to death, but you boys continue to miss this very important point, the racing itself is secondary. Jorge, because he was in the throws of a title and being a teammate (a point you guys continue to miss). I would not approve of a similar move on Nicky because I'm a fan. Rossi is free to .... with anybody else.

Simonchelli practically t-boned Aoyama, a man still healing from a broken back. You're an ..... if you think it was anything like Motegi.

 

[rossiofsky]

Such things are sometimes a matter of view point/perspective. Obviously a large amount of ''extracting the urine" to use a colloquialism goes on here, not least by jumkie, but I think his starting point was annoyance with nicky hayden's championship being devalued by claims he had a technical advantage, and similarly with many stoner fans including me in regard to casey's championship which many rossi fans still seem to argue doesn't really count because he had an unfair technical advantage. That's different though I guess, because in your view you guys are right

Nobody has talked about it YET, and do you think only Rossi fans bring the rivals achievements under question and the Rossi haters dont talk the same about Rossi achievements and dont remind us of the Dorna and tire companies

supports and unfair advantages?



Rossi has also had a few easy championships, but he has won a few hard ones also to prove his point.I,m sure if Casey or Nikky win a few more championships more doubters will change their idea about them and some will never change their idea,

Exactly the same as "the real fans" about Rossi.



What about your view? Are you guys wrong? of cource not!

 

[chopperman]

Nobody has talked about it YET, and do you think only Rossi fans bring the rivals achievements under question and the Rossi haters dont talk the same about Rossi achievements and dont remind us of the Dorna and tire companies

supports and unfair advantages?



Rossi has also had a few easy championships, but he has won a few hard ones also to prove his point.I,m sure if Casey or Nikky win a few more championships more doubters will change their idea about them and some will never change their idea,

Exactly the same as "the real fans" about Rossi.



What about your view? Are you guys wrong? of cource not!

Oh yes we have, until where blue in the face .



Its a little like music artists. you get your one hit wonder's that releases a fantastic track and goes straight to #1 in the charts. we all await for a second song as good as the first but it never comes and the artist is soon forgotten. Then there's the artist or band that releases track after track year after year and becomes a house hold name.