Losail Tests

Geonerd said:

The big question is: Will Talpa stand by his man until (if) #46 learns how to ride the Duc, or will he give up on MotoGP altogether? Fixing the Duc may take most of the year, and the damn thing may not be fully competitive 'till 2012.



The typical Bopper requires constant positive emotional feedback from V.R.; most won't have the patience to wait. Will Talpa?



In the meantime, look for Talps to display, in order, these classic symptoms of loss.



1. Denial

2. Anger

3. Bargaining

4. Depression

5. Acceptance



I think it's safe to say that #1 has kicked in, big time.

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cliché guevara said:

furusawa himself said it wouldn't be that big of an advantage



i suspect it is certainly worth a couple of tenths for now but its getting hillarious how you try to make everybody believe that its once again only supreme machinery that enables other riders than rossi to run at the front.

and don't even think of arguing with that , you make it seem like rossi is only a good clutch away from blowing everyone to the weeds

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Furusawa also said that Yamaha running with no sponsorship was a marvelous opportunity to

field the M1 strictly in corporate colors. He's good at putting a happy face on less than happy circumstances.

Quite the cheerleader, really.

Keshav said:

Furusawa also said that Yamaha running with no sponsorship was a marvelous opportunity to

field the M1 strictly in corporate colors. He's good at putting a happy face on less than happy circumstances.

Quite the cheerleader, really.

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i would have to agree with the colors but i am not yet convinced the honda is really in a different league from the other bikes.sure ,they appear to have the best bike but its not like if you're not on a honda you have no chance of winning

for example the factory yamahas don't really seem THAT much slower and since theres no mysterious new element on the m1 i guess the gearbox isn't worth a second per lap as some people would like to suggest but rather what i said, a couple of tenths (which is still significant though, given that if its "only"0.3 per lap makes you loose 6 seconds after 20 laps )

cliché guevara said:

you guys can't stop rubbing it in talpas face can you

is there any reliable info on how much difference there is between the satellite and the factory ducatis at this stage of the season ?

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The schadenfreude is not directed at any one person really. For the record, I have no grudge against Talpa.

cliché guevara said:

blowing everyone to the weeds

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So they will be with you then??

Rossis always been fast at everything he's done. Its time to give him credit for the fastest un development job ever. He's taken them from mid pack to backmarker.

Its fair to say that he's having a Melandri moment. Maybe Melandri could have warned him about what he was getting into. After all their great buddies. Oh yeah I forgot. They were great buddies until Marco started to beat him.

Ha ha ha - bunch of funny buggers.

Love your optimism Talpa - keep the faith.



Test doesn't look good for Rossi but once again, it is a test, he probably could have gone better but for a couple of factors. Obviously I don't believe he would have been within 0.5 of the Hondas but I don't think 1.3 down was truly indicative.



The other question that should be asked is - where do you think Rossi would be if he was on a Honda? That would really make things exciting this year.

Spies is looking strong - would like to see who ran the string of quick laps today? I thought Motomatters breakdown was yesterday.

Talpa said:

firstly http://www.powerslide.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif



I would say those others like yourself displayed those symptoms yesterday......

Lets wait and see, and I just got out of Bed!!

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Go back to bed, you're sleepwalking and it's all a bad dream! Rossi really ran 46 consecutive 1:54 laps and is poised to blow away the field next week.

I think JL is in the same boat, hes also lost 0.6 to the leaders! The past two champs are off the pace considerably today. But as Jum says what a difference a Dayr or three makes. Aoyama is a big surprise, Honda's silky smooth Box is hammering the field again, but I think Ben will be right up there this weekend and in prime position to beat his teammate. And Randy certainly found something.



Just another reminder though, no points were awarded today........

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True enough, mate. But beware, your nightmare may have just begun!

Keshav said:

The schadenfreude is not directed at any one person really. For the record, I have no grudge against Talpa.

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Ditto re. Talpa.





I must confess that I'm greatly enjoying the thought of Rossi choking on the heaping helping of Humble Pie he's just been served. Sadistic delight in the misfortune of others is an ugly indulgence, but it can feel surprisingly good in small doses, particularly if there's a sense that long overdue Karmic Justice is being dispensed.

Son of Doohan said:

Doesn't everyone realise the only reason Stoner is doing such good times is due to the bike..................... pretty obvious to me.

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He's been pretty slow at this test. Last year on the Duck he qualified with a 1:55.007", or half a second faster than he did today on a VASTLY superior Honda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



OH, I'm sorry, I forgot, Stoner is the ONLY one to win on the 800 Duck!

Geonerd said:

Ditto re. Talpa.





I must confess that I'm greatly enjoying the thought of Rossi choking on the heaping helping of Humble Pie he's just been served. Sadistic delight in the misfortune of others is an ugly indulgence, but it can feel surprisingly good in small doses, particularly if there's a sense that long overdue Karmic Justice is being dispensed.

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Damn, you read my thoughts!

Talpa said:

yes, the boners and haters will certainly have to eat a lot of .... if things don't go the way they so spectacularly predict......

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oh yes, they will mate

Well its funny that all these haters are coming out but pridictable if you've been around for a year or two. But no matter how hard they try they can't change the facts. Rossi has a great winning record on different bikes. I understand if hes having some difficulties on the Ducati. Remember Rossi's the only old school cat on the grid the keeps adapting with the times. I'm assuming riding the Jap bikes for so long the duc probably feels totally different to him and i think, well i hope he's smart enough to understand it someday and hopefully with some more seat time he will begin to get closer to the Honda aliens. Nothing wrong with not winning as long as you try. They all try even though only one person wins. Stoner is in a very very good position to take the title from Jorge this year but i think Dani wants in on the action.

Go Spies!!

xx CURVE xx said:

Go Spies!!

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Indeed!



It's hard to tell what race lap times J-Lo is ultimately capable of, but Ben's speed is obvious. Maybe I've been sipping a little too much Texas Tea, but I now think the Pie Man just might beat Lorenzo this year.







DOES ANYONE HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF THE RIDER'S LAP TIMES?

you cant blame the stoner fans for having a laugh, we have wound them up over the last few years so you gotta take it if you dish it out lol.



i belive that stoner would be higher up than the current duke riders but not at the top....thats hondas place.



i said that honda was the bike to be on last season but most said noooooo, anyway after these tests they have blown me away and im even more impressed.



i also said i would like to see randy on the duke as i thought his agressive style may suit the duke and hes looking good.



so as im the wiseman here im telling you all now that rossi is sandbagging he has much more speed in the bag

Geonerd said:

Indeed!



It's hard to tell what race lap times J-Lo is ultimately capable of, but Ben's speed is obvious. Maybe I've been sipping a little too much Texas Tea, but I now think the Pie Man just might beat Lorenzo this year.







DOES ANYONE HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF THE RIDER'S LAP TIMES?

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i want pie man to beat lorenzo this year as he needs taking down a peg or two

esco said:

Well its funny that all these haters are coming out but pridictable if you've been around for a year or two. But no matter how hard they try they can't change the facts. Rossi has a great winning record on different bikes. I understand if hes having some difficulties on the Ducati. Remember Rossi's the only old school cat on the grid the keeps adapting with the times. I'm assuming riding the Jap bikes for so long the duc probably feels totally different to him and i think, well i hope he's smart enough to understand it someday and hopefully with some more seat time he will begin to get closer to the Honda aliens. Nothing wrong with not winning as long as you try. They all try even though only one person wins. Stoner is in a very very good position to take the title from Jorge this year but i think Dani wants in on the action.

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Rossi on the honda or yamaha would obviously be at or close to the front of the field , unless his shoulder injury is permanently debilitating; he was clearly still at the top of his game prior to the injury, having won 2 world championships quite well as I recall. I think the schadenfreude I felt which is diiminishing as I actually don't want rossi to do badly for a prolonged period of time, is due to him having deliberately placed himself in this position, as he easily could have stayed at yamaha or even gone to honda, and because of all the anti-stoner stuff, particularly the bike that rides itself stuff in 2007 and the attribution of his loses last year purely to riding error.



As kropotkin said rossi needs to "grok" the bike before he can ride it to its potential or fix it, and 2 things seem obvious, that it needs to be manhandled with which his shoulder problem doesn't help, and to be ridden fast the rider needs to take some risk that he will become familiar with the scenery, hence the predictions randy would do well which may be correct on evidence thus far. I suspect this is the antithesis to rossi's riding style in recent years, and certainly to the bikes he has developed. In the days before the tyre technology improved and before the modern electronics he rode cautiously early in races till the tyres warmed up, when he had the feel to push to the limit. I get the impression that a precise feel for the limits of the ducati is not something that anyone can achieve.



I actually don't think the 2009 ducati was too bad, but in the change to the big bang and whatever else they did to the 2010 bike to supposedly make the bike more tractable, which seemed to involve more rear grip at the expense of the front, they have made the bike unstable even with the electronics. A previous attempt to "improve" the bike's handling had a similar effect at the start of 2008. I don't think the recent bridgestone tyres have suited the ducati either.



As talpa says this is still only testing anyway, and even if he does struggle for a few races it will be a very minor blip in such a career.