Losail Tests

Jumkie said:

COMBINED test times:







I thought the Yamaha positions were interesting. Spies clearly the front runner in factory team. He also had a bit more consistent run. And if you consider that consistency is a staple of Lorenzo, it makes Spies all that more impressive.



Also, Randy on a Sat Duc beating out two Yamaha's looks even more clever.



Also, Hiroshi up with the other Hondas is a testament to his riding ability, considering he does NOT have the new transmission system Talps is trying to call unfair advantage. Sidenote, Honda should provide the new transmission to him, how awesome would it be for him to podium or win a race for the Japanese fans. Why the Japanese brands do not insist on giving their countryman the best and most advantage is a mystery to me!



Also, when you combine the times, Rossi doesn't look so bad, since he did beat out two other Ducati's (Loris and Abraham).

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cliché guevara said:

.... like that is sufficient. i'm gonna make one last effort to try to talk to you before i give it up.

i actually looked for the thread . its the "new smart weapon" thread you had started. i admit i wrongly had in mind it was you who uttered the statement "Its a ....... shame we didnt develop the bomb sooner, Germany deserved a few of their own." but in fact you were "only" agreeing with it and taking it even further by saying "Might as well nuk. e all potheads as well". and since then all you do is spoil threads in that i have wirtten responses or have started.



i don't expect of you to man up and readily admit that you're just being a .... towards me for no reason, it would be totally sufficient to cut the crap and ignore my posts if they're such a thorn in your eyes

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JohnnyKnockdown said:

Cliche bro, you seem a little on edge. Why don't you try smokin a little weed It might help you out.

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cliché guevara said:

don't worry ,you can't get me on the edge

it's your call whether you want to spoil every thread because you've got some sort of problem with me.i find it amusing for sure.i'll have a little hash bowl,that should work as well ,thanks for the advice anyways compadre

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povol said:

Round and round we go. The talent level of different era's has been discussed in detail. The consensus, this is the most talented group of riders, in their prime, who have ever raced together in the history of the sport.It is what it is, you cant choose your competition.Doohan started his reign of terror as other legends of the sport faded, as did Rossi. They both enjoyed an extended time frame of very few challenges, racking up impressive win totals and championships in that time frame. There was an overwhelming odds on favorite to win championships in those times. Now, you would have to be a real gambler to put any sizable amount of money on any one rider to win the title.

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povol said:

Day 2, a little less relief



Pos. Rider Team Best Time 1:57′s 1:56′s 1:55′s Laps

1 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team 1’55.681 4 16 7 46

2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 1’55.745 7 11 1 39

3 Marco Simoncelli San Carlo Honda Gresini 1’56.433 16 9 0 70

4 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing 1’56.294 4 8 0 45

5 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha Factory Racing 1’56.707 27 5 0 48

6 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda Team 1’56.439 21 5 0 58

7 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Team 1’56.726 18 6 0 68

8 Hiroshi Aoyama San Carlo Honda Gresini 1’56.740 26 2 0 73

9 Randy De Puniet Pramac Racing Team 1’56.445 18 2 0 67

10 Alvaro Bautista Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1’56.931 17 1 0 63

11 Valentino Rossi Ducati Marlboro Team 1’56.988 14 1 0 50

12 Colin Edwards Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1’56.716 9 3 0 57

13 Hector Barbera Mapfre Aspar Team 1’56.798 4 2 0 62

14 Loris Capirossi Pramac Racing Team 1’57.345 3 0 0 62

15 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1’57.730 2 0 0 28

16 Karel Abraham Cardion AB Motoracing 1’57.846 1 0 0 49

17 Toni Elias LCR Honda MotoGP 1’58.536 0 0 0 57



Hard to read chart, but its 1 lap in the 1.56's and 0 laps in the 1.55's

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cliché guevara said:

don't worry ,you can't get me on the edge

it's your call whether you want to spoil every thread because you've got some sort of problem with me.i find it amusing for sure.i'll have a little hash bowl,that should work as well ,thanks for the advice anyways compadre

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michaelm said:

Your point is obviously valid, and I don't think agostini, doohan, lawson, rossi or anyone else is winning 5 in a row in this era, particularly with 2 and sometimes 3 manufacturers producing championship capable bikes.



Not withstanding that rossi like doohan can only race who turns up, and both validated their quality outside their period of absolute dominance in any case. Doohan was dominating prime rainey and schwantz in 1992 before his injury; it was up to him not to get injured in that year of course. Rossi did well in his rookie year on a well supported but not full factory bike, better than alex criville who occasionally beat doohan and was on a full factory bike, and won championships in some style in 2008 and 2009 against most of the current talent.

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Tom said:

Cliche you'll never get anywhere with JK, the things he says tell more than enough of his story.







I don't really buy into the idea of certain riders not really having any competition. Doohan had no competition because he was too good, just like Rossi in his earlier days. If doohan had lost 2 of his 5 titles to Criville and/or someone else then maybe we'd talk about the mid to late nineties as a 'golden era', but Doohan didn't even nearly let that happen so it is his era instead. There is obviously far less to talk or get excited about with an era like that, but Mick deserves as much credit as any rider from any other era, especially eras with no outstanding performer.

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Tom said:

Cliche you'll never get anywhere with JK, the things he says tell more than enough of his story.







I don't really buy into the idea of certain riders not really having any competition. Doohan had no competition because he was too good, just like Rossi in his earlier days. If doohan had lost 2 of his 5 titles to Criville and/or someone else then maybe we'd talk about the mid to late nineties as a 'golden era', but Doohan didn't even nearly let that happen so it is his era instead. There is obviously far less to talk or get excited about with an era like that, but Mick deserves as much credit as any rider from any other era, especially eras with no outstanding performer.

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inconvenience said:

There is a reason why Doohan didn't dominate in the early 90s like he did in the mid 90s - late 90s just like there is a reason why Rossi ain't dominating like he did from the early 2000s - mid 2000s. There are a number of reasons why the late 80s and early 90s were called a golden age unlike the mid 90s - mid and late 2000s. In a golden era there are a number of competitors on the same level competing against each other ferociously, not allowing one or the other to simply run away with it with no questions asked.



Criville was dominated simply because he was not good enough, and even with Doohan out of the way he 'limped' to his only title before fading away entirely.

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