Le Mans Race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 18 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't remember if he pitted before Pedrosa. If Dani stayed out longer on the wets, which I think he did, then his tyres were fresher and probably coming to him at exactly the right time in the race.

Alternatively, Dani's made it up with Nicolas Goubert, and they sneakily stuck some Michelin 'Le Mans one off specials' on, and no one noticed in post race scrutineering (I am willing to concede the latter is somewhat unlikely)
Dani pitted early and dovi late, at a similar time to lorenzo and stoner. The lap times actually favour stoner having had the reputed bike problem with the slick shod bike, he took several laps to get up to pace whilst lorenzo took one. Someone argued elsewhere that the lorenzo strategy was actually the correct one, as he was markedly faster on wets than the early changers on slicks for quite a few laps. I agree if rossi hadn't put the bike down at least some of the other late changers might not have stuck to the strategy though.

I think marco was just faster than he had a right to be on wets and early on slicks; the only conclusion I can draw is that rider skill may have been involved .

okay can't be arsed to read the whole thread so I started back to front (sort of) i'm at work and this is my only source of internet connection. Clearly Pinky is not liked on here and I'm still trying to work out who else is of the same branding. But, with that set aside - bollocks I deleted the quote wait I'll be back!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 18 2009, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What? No "second best Ducati" comment Migs? (stirring)

Ah, man, I'm disappointed.
Stirring...Isn't that Fanboy trolling...?

You are right Hayden was 2nd Ducati, and he actually rode well considering the chaos of the race....so well done to him for being 2nd Duke, 12th place, and beating Takahashi by .03 of a second....that is a champion result!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 18 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was certain there was going to be a Kallio comment...stay tuned
Mika made a rookie mistake and Nicky paid for it....Surprisingly you fanboys didn't call for Kallio to be lynched and have his carcass thrown back to 250s....why not?

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QUOTE (Pinky @ May 17 2009, 07:13 AM)

real noob mistake from rossi.

twice

once for crashing and secondly for speeding in pit lane


darn it doesn't quote a qoute from a qoute - some use I am in an arguement I had to cut and paste!

CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT didn't Rossi Himself say it wasn't fitted with a limiter?? And someone please clarify whether he actually knew this when he got on the bike, when he went over the limit, or when his mechanics told him he'd been speeding in the lane and it wasn't fitted. If the first is true - bloody twit!

And as for crashing, from what I recall of the coverage of said incident didn't Rossi (like others I know) only have about 30cm of dry track round one of the bends that hadn't dried yet, and that wasn't long after he'd come out of the pits so a non biker rider here may think the tyres weren't warm enough. And if Rossi hadn't been one of the first round that bend I'm sure someone else would have come off and Rossi would have passed with more du care and attention. So

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (halfpint @ May 19 2009, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>QUOTE
QUOTE (Pinky @ May 17 2009, 07:13 AM)

real noob mistake from rossi.

twice

once for crashing and secondly for speeding in pit lane


darn it doesn't quote a qoute from a qoute - some use I am in an arguement I had to cut and paste!

CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT didn't Rossi Himself say it wasn't fitted with a limiter?? And someone please clarify whether he actually knew this when he got on the bike, when he went over the limit, or when his mechanics told him he'd been speeding in the lane and it wasn't fitted. If the first is true - bloody twit!

And as for crashing, from what I recall of the coverage of said incident didn't Rossi (like others I know) only have about 30cm of dry track round one of the bends that hadn't dried yet, and that wasn't long after he'd come out of the pits so a non biker rider here may think the tyres weren't warm enough. And if Rossi hadn't been one of the first round that bend I'm sure someone else would have come off and Rossi would have passed with more du care and attention. So
i didn't hear about a speed limiter not being fitted to his second bike, interesting thought. As for the crash, the tv commentators said that because pit lane was so wet it took most of the heat out of the slicks just before re entering the track.

Regarding Rossi's race at Le Mans, it's actually all quite simple.

His mistake was to crash. The mistake of his team was forgetting to switch the speed limiter on. The rest was fairly logical, dictated by circumstances and regulation:

1) He came in early to change bike (not a bad choice in itself) but in the initial lap on slick tyres he should have been extra-careful. He wasn't, he crashed. His fault.

2) At this point he manages to return to the pits to take the other bike--but the regulations say that in this case he has to take it with the same tyres he left it there. i.e. wet tyres. So he goes on track with those (now unsuitable) tyres while his mechanics try to fix his crashed bike that has the slicks on; unfortunately they forget to switch on the speed limiter of the other bike, so on his way out Rossi exceeds the pits speed limit.

3) As soon as the bike with slicks has been fixed, he comes back to the pits to take it--but after a while he is sentenced with a drive trough for breaking the speed limit, which obliges him to his 4th trip to the pits in one race.

No wonder he arrived last--I think he lost 20 good points at Le Mans, but at least he was not injured.

So conclusion - I read an earlier post from a different thread (to answer your question rodger - m) correct.
Crashing was his fault cause he wasn't careful - which is what I figured anyway. An I wondered why he had gone through for a 4th time and this was for the speeding. Which I thought he got seconds added on - clearly its a drive through they have to do.

Yeah I'm not all that dumb after all :lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 19 2009, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kallio

He's a good guy, just made a mistake. He did 'try' to avoid the crash, mentioned that Nicky probably didn't see him, so in a way, not exactly admitting his own fault but at very least he's not saying Hayden should have got out of his way, UNLIKE his team principle. BTW, I understand that Nicky had a .5 lap better than Kalio the next lap to his previous, so it looks like it was a tire heat issue. Perhaps Kalio (being a rookie) may have got twitchy, but at very least saved it enough not to torpedo.

Anyway, are there any more rookies in the field? Or are we done with the crash-into-Nicky brigade?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 19 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's a good guy, just made a mistake. He did 'try' to avoid the crash, mentioned that Nicky probably didn't see him, so in a way, not exactly admitting his own fault but at very least he's not saying Hayden should have got out of his way, UNLIKE his team principle. BTW, I understand that Nicky had a .5 lap better than Kalio the next lap to his previous, so it looks like it was a tire heat issue. Perhaps Kalio (being a rookie) may have got twitchy, but at very least saved it enough not to torpedo.

Anyway, are there any more rookies in the field? Or are we done with the crash-into-Nicky brigade?
Thats the trouble with racing at the back of the pack, you get mixed up with the rookies and there learning curve.
Hopefully this will all be a thing of the past once he and his new crew chief get the bike dialed in the way nicky likes if not he better start talking to ezy about a second hyate kwak.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 19 2009, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's a good guy, just made a mistake. He did 'try' to avoid the crash, mentioned that Nicky probably didn't see him, so in a way, not exactly admitting his own fault but at very least he's not saying Hayden should have got out of his way, UNLIKE his team principle. BTW, I understand that Nicky had a .5 lap better than Kalio the next lap to his previous, so it looks like it was a tire heat issue. Perhaps Kalio (being a rookie) may have got twitchy, but at very least saved it enough not to torpedo.

Anyway, are there any more rookies in the field? Or are we done with the crash-into-Nicky brigade?
Nicky may have jumped the wrong way if he had the choice; the honda looks increasingly like it may be a good thing this year. All credit to pedrosa for his riding thus far, he has always had great talent and is displaying courage as well, not that he hasn't done so at times in the past. I don't think he had much to do with developing the bike though; as I recall he wanted nothing to do with the pneumatic engined honda last year. I don't see dovi showing much more thus far than nicky towards the end of last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ May 20 2009, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky may have jumped the wrong way if he had the choice; the honda looks increasingly like it may be a good thing this year. All credit to pedrosa for his riding thus far, he has always had great talent and is displaying courage as well, not that he hasn't done so at times in the past. I don't think he had much to do with developing the bike though; as I recall he wanted nothing to do with the pneumatic engined honda last year. I don't see dovi showing much more thus far than nicky towards the end of last year.

what do you mean this year??


it has always been a fuvken great bike...

2006 it won the WC. pedrosa a rookie and rossi had major bike issues.

2007 well stoner dominated, but pedrosa was 2nd.

2008 pedrosa won a few of the early races with ease and people where at awe of what it could do once it had pnematic engine. thats untill pedrosa had a bad crash (whislt leading by a country mile)..... 08 could of been a diff story if not for pedrosas injuries. ok his fault he crashed but he seems to be very unlcky with injuries.

now 2009 he again is showing how good the honda is.

just the other side of the garage has made honda look bad, no wonder honda got rid of hayden, as fanboys of hayden kept blaming the bike rather than the rider

no matter where hayden goes, his performance wouldnt be any better. common denomintor? the RIDER!!!!

u think he would be any better at hayate or suzuki or yamaha??? a brave man would say he would be.

Dovi isn't doing wonders on the Honda.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 19 2009, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats the trouble with racing at the back of the pack, you get mixed up with the rookies and there learning curve.
Hopefully this will all be a thing of the past once he and his new crew chief get the bike dialed in the way nicky likes if not he better start talking to ezy about a second hyate kwak.
Nicky on a Kawi? Normally id be pissed because in my opinion Kawis are the biggest pieces of .... in road racing. But Marco is starting to change my mind and if Nicky ends up there i guess ill have to swallow my pride, put on a green shirt and start rooting for Team green.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ May 19 2009, 08:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky on a Kawi? Normally id be pissed because in my opinion Kawis are the biggest pieces of .... in road racing. But Marco is starting to change my mind and if Nicky ends up there i guess ill have to swallow my pride, put on a green shirt and start rooting for Team green.
Hahaha.

I doubt Kawasaki will be back anytime soon.


BTW, I read this from Stoner:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>"Then when I switched over my other bike had a problem with the steering damper and after four laps I had to take my hand off the gas coming down the straight to fix it. After that I felt much better, the bike was more comfortable and I was able to ride to my potential."


I'm wondering, what the hell was wrong with it that he could "fix it" while still riding? Was it a setting issue?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 19 2009, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm wondering, what the hell was wrong with it that he could "fix it" while still riding? Was it a setting issue?
It was probably set too stiff as a rain settng. The dampers have an adjustment knob.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 19 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm wondering, what the hell was wrong with it that he could "fix it" while still riding? Was it a setting issue?

I'm wondering what was wrong with his other hand Why take the hand off the throttle, use the left hand??

Anyone?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 19 2009, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm wondering what was wrong with his other hand Why take the hand off the throttle, use the left hand??

Anyone?
Ducati's damper isn't on top like other bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 19 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Hahaha.

I doubt Kawasaki will be back anytime soon.


BTW, I read this from Stoner:




I'm wondering, what the hell was wrong with it that he could "fix it" while still riding? Was it a setting issue?
Probably the lap he slowed down to give him team the evil eye for not setting his bike up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ May 18 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's hardly the first time we've seen Rossi .... it up in a wet/dry race, it's hardly the first time we've seen him do it at Le Mans (07).


And lets be honest, he's not the first rider to make a mistake in these conditions.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ May 19 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And lets be honest, he's not the first rider to make a mistake in these conditions.

Well yeah, but you'd think it has never happened, since Tom was so "surprised"...uhm--or was it so "smug"? (ah ...., i confuse the two).




(stirring)