Le Mans Race

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 18 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am not a fan of Marco after last year.

It was a bogey race in variable conditions. He ran a well managed race and was really fast so props to him. He ran about the same race as Lorenzo. Didn't really face any "racing" just maintained a gap. I am quite surprised at his second place finish as was he. What more is there to say?
that will do fine. its just you said other Notables in your post but didnt mention the 2nd place man on the no support kwak who was all but written off last year, thats all

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 18 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy, as usual, you try to weasel your way out of stupid .... you say. CONTEXT Tommy; pinky calls them Rossi's "noob mistakes" and you stamp your smug approval. Why else would you chose Pinky to quote? You're smug, and most all the time you're post are full of ..... Hey look, there's another pinky post you can go agree with; birds of a feather...

You never fail to impress me with your efforts to make others buy into your side of discussion. This occasion is particularly amusing as you seem to often critisize media for sensationalism and taking things out of context, yet you have carefully clipped the quote you took of me to make the context appear as you want, rather than as it was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 18 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> You never fail to impress me with your efforts to make others buy into your side of discussion. This occasion is particularly amusing as you seem to often critisize media for sensationalism and taking things out of context, yet you have carefully clipped the quote you took of me to make the context appear as you want, rather than as it was.

I highlighted the important part clown. Out of context? You're the one who tried to weasel out of your SMUG stamp of approval by claiming to merely be "surprised". But I'm showing that once you bring in the context it shows just what a smug chicken .... post it is. You can't weasel your way out Tommy, again, you just can't handle when you're called on ........, so you try and make up some illogical crap to deflect.

(BTW, I went back to enter your entire post, haha, see if it really adds to your argument).

FAIL

EDIT: Here you go Tommy. Does it make you any less SMUG? Same ...., as you can see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 17 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
real noob mistake from rossi.

twice

once for crashing and secondly for speeding in pit lane

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 17 2009, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea like has been said today was good for the championship battle, but i was really surprised to see Rossi making errors when he is normally the calm and controlled one.

Lorenzo and Melandri were brilliant today, Pedrosa is getting more impressive as the season goes on. Great stuff.

You agree with Pinky's characterization and then say "but"... (do you know what that word is used for Tommy?) The first part of your statement is your SMUG seal and stamp of approval and in addition to that ("but") you say you are "surprised". Hahaha, well Tom, its been revealed recently that you are really NOT a engineers, but you may also want to consider mixing in a few logic classes as well.

SMUG! You are smug Tommy, otherwise no need to quote a notorious hater who's post is solely to be smug about the mistakes of which you stamp your seal of approval.


You want to continue digging that hole Tommy? Don't be "surprised" to read when I call you on ........ posts, its just me being 'smug'. (Now you know the difference!)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 18 2009, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't be "surprised" to read when I call you on ........ posts, its just me being 'smug'. (Now you know the difference!)

I don't really see what your problem is, besides your usual stiring. Someone thinks that Rossi made a 'noob' mistake, i agree but add that it was surprising to see because it's so un-rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 18 2009, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't really see what your problem is, besides your usual stiring. Someone thinks that Rossi made a 'noob' mistake, i agree but add that it was surprising to see because it's so un-rossi.It's hardly the first time we've seen Rossi .... it up in a wet/dry race, it's hardly the first time we've seen him do it at Le Mans (07).

What a insane this has turned out to be....

Anyway....very entertaining race.....a couple of surprises and some good results for folks that deserved them.....Shame about Rossi, but it makes the title chase more interesting....

Lorenzo is the real deal and may just win in the end....
Pedrosa getting dangerous on that Honda...
Stoner played the safe long game....

And others well as expected....

And Congrats to Marco!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 18 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't really see what your problem is, besides your usual stiring. Someone thinks that Rossi made a 'noob' mistake, i agree but add that it was surprising to see because it's so un-rossi.

I see you've chosen to keep digging. Ok

Tommy, ask youself "who" is "stirring" things? You quote Pink with smug agreement, then warn another member about "trolls" regarding changing his fav rider (as if Jazkat is going to do it for the same chicken-.... 'stirring" reason you do it, especially considering your recent love for Taki). STIRRING? Who is stirring? Answer: Tom (that's you fool).

You say, you really don't see what's the problem? So now you're gonna play possum? You pretend to be so smart on here all the time and now expect me to believe you can't see what you where doing? Geez, I know you're not very sophisticated, but please spare me the possum act. I don't particularly have anything against you Tom, since you've chosen to play the game, then yes I'm happy to smugly call you on it. Don't be upset that I'm bitting on your little almost-subtle fishing expedition. You should be glad I'm willing to bite your hook (after all, that's what you want). And lucky for you I'm here to play along, except I call it by its more common name, ........!

You wanna keep digging your hole?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 18 2009, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And others well as expected....

What? No "second best Ducati" comment Migs? (stirring)

Ah, man, I'm disappointed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 18 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What? No "second best Ducati" comment Migs? (stirring)

Ah, man, I'm disappointed.


I was certain there was going to be a Kallio comment...stay tuned

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 18 2009, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was certain there was going to be a Kallio comment...stay tuned

Perhaps this will help...

Pramac Ducati technical director Fabiano Sterlacchini is taking the Alberto Puig approach to the incident. It appears its no longer the overtaking rider's responsibility to pull off the maneuver safely. What has happened to manning up to your mistakes? Is responsibility dead? Geez, its always the victims fault.

Lorenzo - Good pace and great strategy.
Melandri - My hero , great to see him up there again.
Pedrosa - Great towards the end
Dovi - Hmm, maybe finally a podium at your home gp?
Stoner - Not good enough pace, better luck next time...
Vermeulen - Good man
Edwards - Confuse the first lap as the warm up lap or something?
Capi - Not bad...
Toseland - Some improvement i guess...
Elias - Not bad i guess, but on a works bike?
De Angelis - Not bad i guess
Hayden - Well atleast some improvement...
Takahashi - Just missed out on 12th.. did better in Jerez.
De Puniet - What where you doing man?
Canepa - Yay! a point!
Rossi - Whoops
Kallio - Costing you allot of points.

Pretty interesting race it was, enjoyed it more than Jerez.

1. Lorenzo - Interesting race for sure, as Lorenzo said in his post race interview, it was all about strategy, picking the right lap to go in and make the change. He did it perfectly. I was surprised he rode those wets on dry pavement for so long, but the gamble paid off. I hope Lorenzo can play it smart the rest of the year, and put behind the Jerez incident.

2. Melandri - The gamble also paid off for Melandri, good result for the Dorna supported bike (as he so kindly thanked Carmelo in the post race interview)

3. Pedrosa - Surprised to see him go for it in the last few laps, he is the number 1 Honda man so he did the business as needed. Dovi looked gutted after losing out on another podium chance.


Few more thoughts:

Races like this really call into question Dorna's "one bike" proposal. What are they going to do, send them all out on slicks from the get go and watch crashing mayhem? Or just send them out on wets and wait for the tire shreads to start flying?

Points race looking really good right now. With luck we could have a nice 4 way battle going all year, lots of luck that is.

Bring on Mugello, thousands of crazy Italians and SUNSHINE please!!!!

I would like to know how Dovi gave up such a huge lead in the last few laps . Was there team orders ??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ May 18 2009, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>:

Races like this really call into question Dorna's "one bike" proposal. What are they going to do, send them all out on slicks from the get go and watch crashing mayhem? Or just send them out on wets and wait for the tire shreads to start flying?

I've been thinking the same. Plus the fact, if you get several riders sticking it down the road during qualifying before they've got a decent time in, it could result in a seriously upside down grid. I think if you completely destroy a bike, in morning warm up say, then you would able to produce another one from the truck for the race. You can't have two race prepared bikes sitting in the garage at one time. But yeah, it begs the question, what happens in a white flag situation, or in the case of the declaration of a wet race and the track starts to dry and the wet weather tyres disintegrate as was the case on Sunday. I think knowing Dorna, they'd either hope it could make two thirds distance, or flag it, allow them to change tyres, and reassemble the grid in race order as was the case at Mugello (in '04 I think). It'd be .... if this saw a return to aggregate races.

I'm sure that Rossi's error was seen by every racer so that immediately changed their strategy. Once he was gone the greatest threat was over so they could wait. If Rossi had've stayed upright within 2 laps every single guy on the track would have gone in Lorenzo included.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 18 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would like to know how Dovi gave up such a huge lead in the last few laps . Was there team orders ??
Can't remember if he pitted before Pedrosa. If Dani stayed out longer on the wets, which I think he did, then his tyres were fresher and probably coming to him at exactly the right time in the race.

Alternatively, Dani's made it up with Nicolas Goubert, and they sneakily stuck some Michelin 'Le Mans one off specials' on, and no one noticed in post race scrutineering (I am willing to concede the latter is somewhat unlikely)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 18 2009, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't remember if he pitted before Pedrosa. If Dani stayed out longer on the wets, which I think he did, then his tyres were fresher and probably coming to him at exactly the right time in the race.

Alternatively, Dani's made it up with Nicolas Goubert, and they sneakily stuck some Michelin 'Le Mans one off specials' on, and no one noticed in post race scrutineering (I am willing to concede the latter is somewhat unlikely)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ May 19 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would like to know how Dovi gave up such a huge lead in the last few laps . Was there team orders ??


ummm dani was settin lap records if u watched the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 18 2009, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tommy, ask youself "who" is "stirring" things?

I don't know exactly why you use this forum, but i use it for talking about bike racing. I see no issue with quoting someone who was talking about the race for the purpose of talking about the race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ May 18 2009, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Can't remember if he pitted before Pedrosa. If Dani stayed out longer on the wets, which I think he did, then his tyres were fresher and probably coming to him at exactly the right time in the race.

Alternatively, Dani's made it up with Nicolas Goubert, and they sneakily stuck some Michelin 'Le Mans one off specials' on, and no one noticed in post race scrutineering (I am willing to concede the latter is somewhat unlikely)
Dani pitted early and dovi late, same as lorenzo and stoner. The lap times actually favour stoner having had the reputed bike problem with the slick shod bike, he took several laps to get up to pace whilst lorenzo took one. Someone argued elsewhere that the lorenzo strategy was actually the correct one, as he was markedly faster on wets than the early changers on slicks for quite a few laps. I agree if rossi hadn't put the bike others might not have stuck to the strategy though.

I think marco was just faster than he had a right to be on wets and early on slicks; the only conclusion i can draw is that rider skill may have been involved .